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I've seen a baffling statement from some trusted users:

there is no easy way to challenge or reviewing deletions [...] only people who already have the link have a chance to edit/undelete

Well, actually there is, ready for all your deletion and undeletion needs. It's on https://stackoverflow.com/tools?tab=delete. There's also SEDE to search for deleted post with certain tags or older than 30 days.

Now you can't argue that you don't know ;)

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Let's get to the point...

I've seen a baffling statement from some trusted users:

there is no easy way to challenge or reviewing deletions

This is completely true. Where do I do this? For example, if I go to the mod tools I can see your other question in both the recently undeleted list, and that it has a recent undelete vote (for those not familiar with the tool, the "(2)" means it needs 2 more to be undeleted here): enter image description here Per the statement quoted above, I want to challenge this: the other question should not be undeleted. I can't do this. I can't do it on the list, I can't do it on the question. I can't do it. I cannot challenge nor review this list.

There are chatrooms you can discuss this in, if you really want to, however, you (Braiam) do not have the 10K privilege on Stack Overflow, so would be unable to contribute on them.

Now, if you want to know why there isn't a review queue for delete/undelete that is a very different question but it should be asked on Stack Exchange Meta not here.

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  • "I want to challenge this" how can you challenge close/reopen votes? I still don't get it? Why do you think that queues allow you to challenge stuff but the list doesn't?
    – Braiam
    Commented May 24, 2021 at 13:47
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    Let's take the close queue as an example, @Braiam . I see a question in there, and I have four options: Vote to Close, Leave Open, Edit, and Skip. In that List I have 2 options: Vote to Undelete, or Skip. Where is my "Leave deleted" option?
    – Thom A
    Commented May 24, 2021 at 13:50
  • I still don't get it! You seem to argue that close votes can be challenged, yet go back to saying in comments that you can't. Can you reconcile both point of views? Why the close queue allows you to challenge something, yet at the same time you can't challenge a close vote?
    – Braiam
    Commented May 24, 2021 at 13:52
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    " yet go back to saying in comments that you can't" Again, where is my "Leave deleted" option in the "Deleted Queue {List}" like I have in the Close Votes Queue, @Braiam ? I can challenge a Close vote in the review queue, I cannot challenge a (un)delete vote in the mod tool lists.
    – Thom A
    Commented May 24, 2021 at 13:53
  • It seems that we are entrenched on a misunderstanding about the complete tooling available to us. if I, as you say, challenge the close vote on the queue, that doesn't prevent the post from being closed outside of it, so it's not challenge more so that it's a "I refuse to allow random users to coordinate actions on this queue". That doesn't seem such challenge to me, since a motivated user would find a way to get that question closed. I expect challenges as prevent the post from being closed. A queue seems to be weak sause for that.
    – Braiam
    Commented May 24, 2021 at 13:56
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    Questions still enter the queue, once a vote has been made, @Braiam . If the question was Closed because of those that are active in the tag closed it, then they simply beat the review queue; that doesn't mean that how they always are. Again, if you want a review queue for (un)delete then ask about that as a feature request on Meta Stack Exchange.
    – Thom A
    Commented May 24, 2021 at 13:58
  • That scenario seems to ignore that even if the queue completes first, users outside of the queue still can delete it. Your "challenge" is merely kicking it out of the queue, not invalidating close votes.
    – Braiam
    Commented May 24, 2021 at 14:19
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Let me just apply a different highlighting to that quote:

there is no easy way to challenge or reviewing deletions [...] only people who already have the link have a chance to edit/undelete

A plain list without any metadata such as tags, author, votes, comments, ... or even just the actual data, such as question body and answers, is not an easy way to handle undeletions.

A custom SEDE query is not an easy way to handle undeletions.


Moderation-by-Users is a taxing and exhausting process. Undeletion is especially challenging, since by its very nature it is about nothing but low-quality and/or highly-disputed content.

There is no point in arguing that "there is no easy way". It's simply a fact.

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  • One could argue the same about deletion, but I see your point.
    – Braiam
    Commented May 31, 2021 at 20:16
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There's a problem with this tool, and is that sadly is not a queue, there's no way to dispute the deletion or undeletion of a post. Also it's pretty limited on the dates of posts that you can see there (only 30 days). And yes, you offer an alternative to it that solves the later issue (SEDE), it doesn't address the former: there's no queue.

But I still can't see why that's an issue. The close/reopen queue were an addition after the fact since close/reopen votes were supposed to also expire afterwards. Delete and undelete ones don't have this issue. The review queues exist because there's lack of coordination for something that is time sensitive. Delete and undelete votes are immune to this.

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