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Previously on Meta: .NET 5.0 and ASP.NET Core 5.0 tags.

The tl;dr is that going forward, Microsoft has decreed that ".NET Core" shall be called simply ".NET" to indicate it is the future path of that ecosystem. What was previously called ".NET" will be renamed to ".NET Framework" to reflect that Framework is a discrete and legacy product.

This creates a problem around the various .NET tags on Stack Overflow - for example, the tag with over 300,000 questions has existed forever and is currently used to refer to the .NET ecosystem as a whole, not the new hotness.

I propose the following as a possible way to sort out this mess:

  • Un-synonymize and so that the former is left with all 307k questions, while the latter is empty.
  • Rename to ; this will encompass the .NET ecosystem as a whole (.NET, .NET Core, .NET Framework). Update tag description to this effect. (This will also ensure that everyone who is currently watching will now be watching instead.)
  • Create a new that's only to be used for questions relating to the current and future versions of .NET (i.e. 5, 6, and whatever comes next). Add usage guidance to this effect.
  • Add usage guidance to to indicate it should be used only when the question applies to .NET Core 1.x, 2.x, 3.x.
  • Add usage guidance to to indicate it should be used only when the question applies to a version of the .NET Framework.
  • Add related tags to : , , .
  • Apply these tags sanely going forward.

Unless I've grossly misunderstood something and/or the Stack Overflow platform doesn't support the above, the only downside will be that browser history and bookmarks that currently point to the .NET ecosystem will now point to "new" .NET. Not a biggie, in my books.

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    No matter what we do, this situation is going to be painful for years to come.... May 5, 2021 at 16:56
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    I agree with most of these but I'm not sure if [.net-platform] is even necessary. "everyone who is currently watching [.net] will now be watching [.net-platform] instead" -- I think they should be watching [.net-framework] instead (which is what [.net] currently represents). May 5, 2021 at 20:18
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    This seems generally reasonable, though a link to Microsoft's information on this change would be helpful for context.
    – Ryan M Mod
    May 5, 2021 at 21:17
  • How about adding something like "legacy" to the old tags? It's not a good solution, but it might have the fewest unintended consequences.
    – Nick O.
    May 6, 2021 at 1:26
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    Microsoft has shown to be incredibly bad with naming (looking at you, "ASP.NET Core" that is using .NET Framework, not Core), so we should expect them to screw up anything you can come up with in probably the next year or two by naming something completely unrelated ".NET", too.
    – nvoigt
    May 6, 2021 at 7:59
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    Can we just call everything .net and be done with it. That way we are sure that whatever MS does, we are partially correct.
    – Braiam
    May 6, 2021 at 10:08
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    I totally agree. I have made in the past two proposals to deal with this subject (including renaming .net to .net-framewor), but both were heavily downvoted and deleted. Many new users are using the .net tag to talk about .NET 5, when currently the tag is only intended to .NET Framework.
    – Magnetron
    May 6, 2021 at 10:51
  • @Braiam I have tried in the past making a proposal following that direction, following this answer, but it was heavily downvoted and folks argued that .NET Framework and .NET [Core] are two different things and should not be throwed on the same basket.
    – Magnetron
    May 6, 2021 at 10:56
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    @nvoigt They'll introduce a thing that's called ".net platform", right? Just to mess with this proposal :-)
    – Bergi
    May 6, 2021 at 15:27
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    I don't know anything about this ecosystem, but is the "new .net" sufficiently different from the "old .net core"? If not, I'd even synonymise them, and put "formerly known as .NET Core (until v3)" in the tag description of .net.
    – Bergi
    May 6, 2021 at 15:30
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    I would expand @Magnetron's argument in that over the past 15 years I've seen new users use .net to talk about anything related to various versions of the frameworks, so I'd agree with everything except .net-platform for the generic platform, that seems like an unrealistic dream.
    – mlhDev
    May 6, 2021 at 15:32
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    inb4 .NET# and a new C## implementation
    – Mike G
    May 6, 2021 at 15:39
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    .NET 5 is the next version of .NET Core and renaming it is more marketing than technical. There's a huge and growing overlap between .NET Framework and .NET Core (netstandard). New functionality going forward will often be shipped as netstandard NuGet packages, which will run on both Framework and Core. Sometimes doing nothing is the best option, especially as Microsoft has a track record of renaming things (OLE, ActiveX, COM) and even "undeprecating" what they previously deprecated: docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/connect/oledb/…
    – Joe
    May 6, 2021 at 16:16
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    This harkens back to the old days where MS added ".NET" to everything, even if it had absolutely nothing to do with what we now call .NET Framework -- much as "Azure" is being used today even if something doesn't live in a cloud. As a tag, .net was, is and will remain worthless anyway; you can do with it what you like as long as you don't make the mistake of thinking it's successfully going to refer to anything specific. In particular not .NET Coreframework/Frameworkcore 5+. May 6, 2021 at 16:21
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    @JeroenMostert: "When I use a word," Microsoft said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less." "The question is," said Apple, "whether you can make words mean so many different things, without first putting an 'i' before them." "The question is," said Google, "who is to be The Mostest Evil - that's all." May 6, 2021 at 19:51

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I mostly agree, except on your .net-platform point. The tag is sufficient; isn't a term I or anyone I know has used (not saying it's incorrect but certainly unfamiliar). as an ecosystem won't conflict with specific future versions of .net since those will all have version postfixes (e.g. ).

Microsoft does refer to .NET as a "developer platform". However, I don't think most users will pick up on that, and will more likely opt for as the general ecosystem tag.

Update

@jwdonahue pointed out that Microsoft does use the term ".NET Platform". However, I still hold that most users won't use that term and will instead opt for . To reconcile this, either should redirect to or vice-versa (I expect some of us will have strong opinions in either direction here). ".NET" is more familiar, but ".NET Platform" might be more accurate and official.

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  • And how do we differentiate questions about the .NET [Core] from questions general to .NET [Core]/Framework/Standard? Or you're meaning .net to be used to .NET [Core] with no tag to the ecossystem?
    – Magnetron
    May 6, 2021 at 17:48
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    .net is an all-encompassing ecosystem, .net-x (-core-x, -framework-x) refers to a version.
    – Connor Low
    May 6, 2021 at 18:02
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    Agree on not having .net-platform. I've never used that term since .NET came out. I've rarely heard any other .NET developer use that term, and when they did, they were really talking about the CLR.
    – Kit
    May 6, 2021 at 21:39
  • Agree. We should have the general tag .net for watchers, and if needed add the version tag. That way, the tags .net-framework and .net-core should not be used for new questions, but the version tag instead.
    – Magnetron
    May 7, 2021 at 11:21
  • " .net as an ecosystem won't conflict with specific future versions of .net" - but it will conflict with using .net as a meta-tag to refer to anything about .NET 5, 6, and/or future - in the same way that .net-framework is a meta-tag referring to anything about the Framework, and .net-core (should) be a meta-tag referring to anything about .NET Core 1.x, 2.x, 3.x. I don't particularly like the ".net-platform" nomenclature but it's the only thing I could come up with other than ".net-ecosystem" (see unsolved problems in programming, #2).
    – Ian Kemp
    May 7, 2021 at 14:29
  • @Ian, you aren't wrong, but that's more Microsoft's prerogative. Even if we did try to disambiguate by inventing new terms for these, users will still opt for the familiar terms and (according to your system) misuse those tags. The safest method is to follow the official naming applied by MS, however unfortunate.
    – Connor Low
    May 7, 2021 at 15:04
  • +1 It will blow over. WPF was going to be the new best thing... until it wasn't, and winforms kept steaming along. Then UWP was going to be the new best thing... until it wasn't, and winforms kept steaming along. .NET Core is the new best thing... until it's not, and the "legacy" framework keeps steaming along.
    – J...
    May 7, 2021 at 17:21
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    .NET Platform is a thing.
    – jwdonahue
    May 7, 2021 at 23:03
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MS have proven that over the year they will change with little notice the name of the current flavour of the framework, the constant is that they are all some form of .net so instead of .net-platform, if you had an all-encompassing tag, it should be .net. We can assume that MS will stick with some form of .net-vNext for the next version after .net-5. We can therfore assume that with each release the meaning of what is .net is only going to get more ambiguous, and certainly not less.

It is wrong to refer to all the .net versions as an ecosystem, because at no point do any of them really co-exist, with the almost exception of .net-core and .net-standard

Each version of the CLR has specific dependencies, naming and operation contexts that mean in many cases syntax for the same problem isn't compatible in other versions.

.net-platform then is not helpful as it's own tag, you would either be searching for a solution in a specific version of the CLR OR you would be searching for assistance on a language or syntax specific issue, in this case C#, VB or F# tags would suffice.

I don't think there is a good argument to use .net for anything moving forward. All past and future derivatives of .Net have more specificity in their associated tag and .Net developers will always be searching for the version specific tag that matches their needs.

I would therefor counter your suggested actions with this:

  • rename .net to .net-framework

    • if anyone is still watching the whole of .net then this is probably because they set the tag before the CLR rewrite, tag guidance should be updated to reflect that watchers should use the CLR version specific tag and that they should use a language specific tag if they need a more generic filter.
  • add usage guidance to .net-framework to indicate that it should only apply to the legacy versions of .Net <= 4.8

    • If the specific major version is known, then the relevant tag should also be used such as .net-2.0, .net-3.5, .net-4.5 where major and behaviour or pattern changing language and platform features were introduced.
  • Add usage guidance to .net-core to indicate it should be used only when the question applies to .NET Core 1.x, 2.x, 3.x.

  • implement .net-5 for the current new version of .Net. This is consistent with language used around many past and present blogs, it matches version numbering and allows for future variations to be specifically versioned and tagged as we all evolve.

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    So we will have the tag .net-framework for all .NET Framework family and .net-core for all .NET Core family but not one for the current .NET X family? It should either have a tag for the whole .NET ecosystem or one for the .NET X family, otherwise, instead of watch the .net tag we will have to watch .net-5, .net-6, .net-7, .net-8...
    – Magnetron
    May 7, 2021 at 11:15
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    Not having .net as a tag is not feasible without blacklisting it, I think
    – Erik A
    May 7, 2021 at 13:00
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    With the .Net frameworks (so <= 4.8) the code and namespaces were consitent, each new version was forward compatible, especially from a code example point of view. So it makes sense now looking back to refer to them as a single isolated set. You could also easily upgrade your code in-place to target the newer framework if you needed to access newer features. The changes since then are more substantial as the base namespaces have fundamentally changed. May 7, 2021 at 13:27

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