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I googled a problem and came across a relevant question with an accepted answer by user A. User B pointed out a better way (in their opinion) of solving the problem in a comment, which was also upvoted. A didn't edit their answer and B didn't go further into it, so I pinged B in a comment and asked about more details. User A replied:

Upvote the answer and I'll edit it to include the other way too.

How do you deal with users like that? Do you just flag the comment?

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    You ignore them and mod-flag their answer and explain what happened. This type of behavior is NOT okay, and normal comment flags don't do it justice. There's also a chance a user doing this has done it several times, meaning mods can take appropriate action (such as warning or banning, depending on various circumstances) Apr 23, 2021 at 12:16
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    Ask B to write a new answer perhaps. Or write your own answer based on B's solution (with attribution, consider making it community wiki also). Apr 23, 2021 at 12:18
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    huh? Why didn't user B post this in as an answer instead? Why should we force people to edit their answer? Then downvote user A's answer (if you think it's not the right way to do it) and upvote user B's answer.
    – jperl
    Apr 23, 2021 at 12:20
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    Upvote, wait for them to edit, then undo your upvote and replace with a downvote Apr 23, 2021 at 12:23
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    Mods can see deleted comments. Apr 23, 2021 at 12:27
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    This seems like it is an omission in the code of conduct to be honest. Right now I feel it would be a little hard to prove that actually anything bad has been done. Voting fraud is not allowed but can we really back up that cheekily asking for a single upvote is voting fraud? There is no entry on the CoC which prohibits making these kind of "payment" requests that I can see.
    – Gimby
    Apr 23, 2021 at 12:42
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    @Nick Wouldn't that be abusing the system though? If someone improves their answer and the edit works better than their original version, it would certainly be worth an upvote because in the end you're voting on their answer, not their behavior.
    – Neph
    Apr 23, 2021 at 12:50
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    @Neph "you're voting on their answer, not their behavior." - If only the site were that black and white. Users can and do vote for whatever reason they choose, even if it's not always for the reasons prescribed in the vote tooltip Apr 23, 2021 at 12:54
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    @Nick So you would downvote a good and working answer if the author acted inappropriately in the comments?
    – Neph
    Apr 23, 2021 at 12:56
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    @Neph Me personally? That depends on a lot more than if the answer is good and working, if it were posted on a blatant duplicate by someone that should know better, sure, if it were a good answer on a novel question? Probably not, I'd just flag the comments and move along Apr 23, 2021 at 12:58
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    @Nick that is the perfect amount of petty. Apr 25, 2021 at 18:12
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    @James: I guess it's not blatantly wrong, but it does really push it, and it's kind of a dick move to withhold information not just from the question asker but from all other readers (even if it's not forcing them to upvote, it is at the very least coercing them to upvote by leaving the answer worse off for everyone if they choose not to). Certainly a user with a pattern of doing this in exchange for votes ought to be paid a visit from us...
    – BoltClock
    Apr 26, 2021 at 4:00
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    @Scratte gosh, what the world to live in. Why even bother helping when one is so hell-bent on getting the sweet gamification that they are willing to remove what they already published (a rhetorical question)? It is really petty Apr 26, 2021 at 13:57
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    @Oleg Valter: No, the asker keeps someone else's answer to their question accepted. Usually accompanied by taunting comments when the answerer pleads with them to unaccept so they can delete and avoid getting any more downvotes.
    – BoltClock
    Apr 27, 2021 at 13:10
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    Upvote, wait for them to edit... @Nick Assuming they actually do edit it. I assume the scam here is that they say they’ll do something in exchange for an up vote and then never do, knowing you can’t undo your vote without an edit. And unless you have over 2K rep, which the OP doesn’t, you can’t edit it yourself to fix it.
    – BSMP
    Apr 28, 2021 at 6:58

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Votes on a post should be contingent only on your personal assessment of its own merits. They should not be contingent on any of the following:

  • The post author or other users
  • Other posts (e.g. downvoting an answer because the question is off-topic or because the author left an objectionable comment under their own answer or anyone else's)
  • Other votes (e.g. I'll upvote you if and only if you upvote me)
  • Actions promised but not yet fulfilled (e.g. asking for votes in exchange for a new answer or an edit to an existing answer)

While we can't enforce how anyone uses every one of their votes because individual votes are anonymous and we can't police anyone's free will, we do have rules, boundaries and mechanisms in place to maintain a more-or-less level playing field.

Having said that, withholding an answer or new information in an answer in exchange for your upvote is insidious because it hurts not only you, but also any future readers viewing the question. To make it simply about any one particular reader and their vote is selfish and goes against the spirit of Stack Overflow as a Q&A knowledgebase for all. In the long run, it also hurts the answerer because they're giving up any potential future upvotes they could've received had they just shared the knowledge, just because of one upvote (that they have no way of verifying was from you to begin with).

So when someone tells you in a comment that they'll edit their answer to add new information if and only if you upvote it first, how do you respond? Well, you could flag it and forget about it, if the user doesn't seem like they'd be amenable to reason.

Otherwise, you could try asserting in a reply that it's not appropriate to ask for votes in exchange for new information in an answer. Or you could just link to this answer. If they refuse to budge, well, as petty as this may sound you reserve the right to downvote the answer if it's simply detrimental or not useful to you the way it is. But also don't feel compelled to vote if you simply don't wish to deal with any potential consequences. Just move on in that case.

In this specific situation, user B is innocent. However, the fact that a third party has an idea of what the better solution is indicates that there's still hope that someone else might come along and share it. I do recommend the approach in D. SM's answer of asking a new question — it is OK to ask follow-up questions branching off of existing, answered ones, with links for context (though do be careful, questions about improving on existing, working solutions tend to go on Code Review Stack Exchange instead). If user A refuses to share, it's their loss.

If someone is engaging in a pattern of demanding votes from other users this way, flag their answer for moderator attention and we'll speak to them. This is definitely not behavior we want to encourage on Stack Overflow, for the reasons I explained above.

We don't want to encourage anyone to upvote first in such a situation either, because there's a chance the user may not honor their end of the bargain. And if you don't retract your upvote within five minutes, it gets locked in until either the post author finally makes good and edits their answer, or you raise a flag and a moderator makes a stub edit to free your vote (or you come here making a stink about it and someone with the right privileges does so). Abuse potential aside, the vote you deposited doesn't reflect your opinion of the post in its actual state, and getting it removed is just unnecessary hassle for everyone but the answerer.

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Asking for votes is never ok, no matter what the circumstances are. Votes are meant to represent your personal opinion of the usefulness of the content.

If you see someone asking for votes, flag such comments as no longer needed or in more extreme situations raise a mod flag on one of the posts (not a comment).

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    I disagree with "never ok". OP: "This is excellent, thank you so much!" Answerer: "Thanks, glad it worked. Feel free to upvote and accept it as the correct answer if you feel it properly solved your issue." If you think that 99% of the participators on this site aren't at least partially motivated by the gamification then I have some land to sell you located in the Pacific Ocean.
    – MonkeyZeus
    Apr 23, 2021 at 15:13
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    @MonkeyZeus I always immediately flag such comments as NLN. They are not helpful to me or anyone else. They look like someone is begging for votes or acceptance. It is OP's choice whether they vote or accept and we can't ask them to do so
    – Dharman Mod
    Apr 23, 2021 at 15:17
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    @MonkeyZeus I would say it's okay to ask for your answer to be ACCEPTED, but not upvoted. If it helped the OP, it should be accepted, but not necessarily upvoted as being accepted doesn't mean it is high quality.
    – M-Chen-3
    Apr 23, 2021 at 15:31
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    @M-Chen-3 The upvote tooltip makes no mention of "quality".
    – MonkeyZeus
    Apr 23, 2021 at 15:36
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    I just put a link to a help center article if I think someone doesn't know what to do about answers they've received. Much less garish that outright begging for acceptance/upvoting. Apr 23, 2021 at 21:27
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    @Dharman They are slightly important. If an answer is useful and helped the OP then they should know to accept it and upvote if they have enough rep. Once they do that the comments should then be flagged and deleted.
    – 10 Rep
    Apr 24, 2021 at 2:34
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    I agree with @MonkeyZeus insofar that it's acceptable and possibly even encouraged to gently introduce new users to the upvote and accept features in hopes they'll exercise them in future. I wouldn't flag those comments immediately - they aren't breaking any rules, and the example MonkeyZeus gave certainly doesn't "look" anything like begging to me. Not sure why people keep thinking that by asking or directing them to the features we are necessarily being demanding. Context and tone matter.
    – BoltClock
    Apr 24, 2021 at 2:41
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    @MonkeyZeus it's not only gamification, but it's also content rating. If an answer is actually an answer to a question in almost all cases, then upvoting and accepting will not only help the OP, but it will also help future users as they know that the answer is actually helpful.
    – 10 Rep
    Apr 24, 2021 at 3:02
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    @Braiam What part of "if you feel it properly solved your issue" was confusing exactly?
    – MonkeyZeus
    Apr 24, 2021 at 13:03
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    @Dharman see the "if clause" in this answer. I've pinged countless users (some of them high reps) who simply forgot to accept and upvote an answer (after explicitly stating in the comments it had solved their problem). It's also reasonable to ask a user for feedback on an answer if after 30 days they didn't react in anyway (seems folks have a tendency to forget about answers after they've gotten the solution to their problem). There's also a number of users who ignore any answer they get, asking them why is within reasonable.
    – bad_coder
    Apr 24, 2021 at 15:22
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    @Trilarion I'd agree if we were talking about unprompted "if this solved your problem" comments. But that's quite a bit different from one in a response to the OP. "This is excellent, thank you so much!" isn't technically an appropriate use of comments (its not doing anything to improve the answer). By making the comment instead of upvoting/accepting, the OP is demonstrating that they may be unaware of the existing formal mechanisms SO has to express that sentiment. So education in that context is different than unprompted educating of random general passersby.
    – R.M.
    Apr 24, 2021 at 17:55
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    @Dharman You should be reprimanded then. I only hope mods are declining your flags. Such comments are exceedingly useful to users who are unfamiliar with the site and who don't understand the importance of making sure to use these features. There is nothing wrong with reminding someone to use the site as it was intended.
    – jpmc26
    Apr 25, 2021 at 4:46
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    Just want to add that about half of the times I answered a "thank you so much!!!" with a "you're welcome, if it helped please accept", the followup was "how do I do that?". Apr 25, 2021 at 10:50
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    @ItamarMushkin - that's another testament to how bad the current new user onboarding is... I'd like to see how many of our problems could simply go poof if the onboarding was integrated into the site experience and not delegated to an optional completely useless and misrepresenting tour. [reposted, editorial fix] Apr 25, 2021 at 11:17
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    @rink.attendant.6 - … accepting an answer does not mean that it needs to, or even should, be upvoted. – If accepting an answer means the answer solved my problem, claiming that it is not necessarily useful makes no sense (to me, at least).
    – Armali
    Apr 25, 2021 at 11:51
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If you are asking about what the "right" thing to do is, I suggest:

If you feel that the comment can be incorporated into the existing answer in a way that the author of the answer will agree with, edit the answer to be what you think it should be.

Why are you making the original author perform this work, when you are the one benefitting from the information provided? You can show your gratitude by contributing to the site.

Conversely, if you can't think of how to incorporate the new content in a non-objectionable manner, the original author may well have a similar issue which is why the comment is a comment and not edited into the answer.

(IIRC under 2k rep your edit will go in the queue which is annoying, but you are asking about the "right" thing to do, so this is how the site works.)

Edit for comment:

User B's comment only hints at what he thinks is a better way. He didn't give more details, so I don't know how much of his and user A's solution have in common. I also don't know how to do user B's approach, that's why I wrote the comment in the first place (as mentioned in my question).

A question was asked, this question was answered (by user A) and the answer was accepted. Someone (user B) suggested an alternate approach. That, in my understanding of how the site works, should have been its own answer, but user B didn't bother making their comment into an answer for whatever reason. Now, you see this and request user A perform work for you specifically (not for the original asker) in a way that doesn't comply with the format of the site.

  • If you have the same problem as stated in the question, and the accepted answer works for you, your problem is solved and user A's job is done.
  • If you have a different problem that the accepted answer does not work for, I think you should ask a new question stating your problem, referencing the existing question and explaining the difference.
  • If you have the same problem as stated in the question and you are curious about the comment, you can also ask a new question specifically about this comment. You may have to put some effort into phrasing your question as a high enough quality question to be suitable for the site.
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    User B's comment only hints at what he thinks is a better way. He didn't give more details, so I don't know how much of his and user A's solution have in common. I also don't know how to do user B's approach, that's why I wrote the comment in the first place (as mentioned in my question). In the end editing the answer is out of question and not necessarily what I asked about.
    – Neph
    Apr 26, 2021 at 11:43
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    Re you see this and request user A perform work - OP said "... so I pinged B ..." so no, they asked B to expand on their comment. That A chimed in and offered that expansion for a reward is not the OPs (of this meta Q) fault. That said, asking a new question, focused on B's suggested method, is the way to go. Apr 26, 2021 at 23:46
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    you see this and request user A perform work for you specifically - No, I didn't, I asked user B for more details. This (^) question isn't about how to deal with user B hinting at an alternative (possible better) solution or what to do with user A's existing and accepted answer (that could maybe be expanded). The question is about users holding information hostage. Please read my first post again.
    – Neph
    Apr 27, 2021 at 8:29
  • No user is obligated to answer your, or any, questions here. "holding information hostage"? Is that like being a criminal?
    – D. SM
    Apr 27, 2021 at 13:10
  • @D.SM No, nobody has to reply, edit their post or write an answer, you're right about that. "Do ... or else I won't ..." is exactly what hostage situations are about and while in this case it's fortunately not meant in a criminal way, doing this on a website that only exists for asking questions and giving/receiving answers is borderline rule-breaking as others here have already pointed out. In the end this question isn't about "mooooom, he didn't help me set up my toy!" or trying to get him to edit his post, as I've said multiple times before.
    – Neph
    Apr 27, 2021 at 14:06
  • This site does not only exist to ask questions. You think it's a support forum and it isn't. As an asker you have a number of responsibilities including phrasing the question clearly, making it objectively answerable, etc. This also includes following other rules like not asking for 1 on 1 support which you are trying to do.
    – D. SM
    Apr 27, 2021 at 17:46
  • @D.SM Stackoverflow,... are about asking questions and writing answers, that's the sole purpose for most people and that's what the website gets its clicks for. Where did I ever say that I was asking for 1:1 support? I asked user B to give more information about a possible alternative he posted, which would also benefit others coming across this question. You keep making stuff up and are constantly trying to get into specifics that don't matter for this question. User A asked for likes in exchange for an edit, that's what I asked about, not if/how I should edit their answer.
    – Neph
    Apr 28, 2021 at 8:42

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