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tweets about the old stackoverflow.com homepage

Today you’ll be seeing a few key changes we’re making in support of our new Free tier of Stack Overflow for Teams. You can read more about the story behind Free on our Blog as well as the MSE post, but here I’d like to talk about the thought-process behind the logged-out homepage on stackoverflow.com.

Community feedback

We revisited a lot of the feedback we got from the last iteration of the homepage we launched in June 2019.

Our homepage is typical of many large websites where the vast majority of traffic comes to other pages – namely those around asking and answering questions. As you can see in the image at the top of this post, visiting the homepage isn’t actually very popular at all, enough to be funny to even suggest such a thing!

However, we do know that there are still many out there who don't know much about us, so informing these explorers seems like a good function for the homepage. If you are reading this we are lucky you are probably most aware and engaged about what we do, but for those just hearing about us we’re trying to communicate what we do at a glance. We also know from talking to our customers that you might be invited to use Stack Overflow for Teams without ever having setting foot in stackoverflow.com, so we wanted to make sure we address newcomers about the context behind the product they are using.

Most feedback of the last iteration told us finding ‘Q&A’ was more difficult. We addressed this at the time by restructuring the URLs and reworking some language on buttons. In the version you see today, right up top next to search we present our call to actions before we get to the more information about the products and services. Everything below there is designed to be quickly skimmed and links out to find more information.

How Stack Overflow for Teams fits in

We wanted to show how Stack Overflow for Teams, our primary paid product, was born out of our public platform and how the two are interconnected in our mission. We’re particularly excited for what our ‘free forever’ commitment means for how you use Stack Overflow within your work life or side project - they feel much closer together now that it’s free to start, so we wanted to visually show that. We’ve focused our design on explaining the value of and making it a much quicker process to create a team. We’ve also clarified that creating a team is creating a public Stack Overflow account (if you don’t already have one of course) - something that happened before but was unclear.

Stack Exchange

Something we spend a lot of time thinking about from our brand perspective is how Stack Exchange and Stack Overflow relate to each other - we wanted to be clear that although you’re on stackoverflow.com, there is a whole network of sites you can explore from here. We’re highlighting a few of the related technical focused Stack Exchanges which might be of interest to a visitor just discovering Stack Overflow.

Finally as with all things on the web - this is just the latest iteration and it’s never ‘done’. We’ll always be tweaking based on how we see people using it and the feedback we receive. Thanks for reading!

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    For reference, here is the logged out front page now
    – VLAZ
    Mar 17, 2021 at 14:16
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    heh, iunno if showcasing twitter feedback is a great look, considering the past
    – Kevin B
    Mar 17, 2021 at 14:22
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    The majority of the page is still a teams ad
    – Kevin B
    Mar 17, 2021 at 14:27
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    You know what - it actually looks nice. It certainly advertises Teams a lot, but a lot of concerns are actually addressed. The ambiguous text making it look like the public platform content is SE's achievement alone is no more. No vaguely "techy" images, a clearer distinction between info on public and teams parts of the platform, and a less aggressive color scheme (compared to the bright yellow to white. Still a giant ad for Teams, but I guess it is unavoidable. P.s. 2/5 tweets feel as if picked for a press-release. To make a point about it being unknown, the other 3 were more than enough. Mar 17, 2021 at 15:12
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    I like the new design, but I don't like it much that people suggest that the rest of SO is not nice or welcoming. It's from 2019 though, so it might have changed. Mar 17, 2021 at 15:17
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    Creating useful content is hard, people who have trouble doing so will always consider it to be unwelcoming.
    – Kevin B
    Mar 17, 2021 at 15:17
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    Shouldn't System Admins have a tab open to ServerFault instead?
    – mxmissile
    Mar 17, 2021 at 16:03
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    I don't understand the tweet posted about SO not being "dangerous", I've been here awhile and don't recall it harming anyone. Did SO employees show up at your house with bats or something?
    – mxmissile
    Mar 17, 2021 at 16:06
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    @mxmissile someone was threatening to visit people at their home with a giant S.
    – Braiam
    Mar 17, 2021 at 16:12
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    So is Ads now #2 or #3 (behind Jobs) in terms of revenue?
    – TylerH
    Mar 17, 2021 at 16:13
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    Old-school coder here, and my first visit to the "home page" resulted in a knee jerk reaction that I'd followed the wrong link, and I closed it. Second view was "ok, this is it, so what is it?" So far my eyes have no place to land, no focal point to begin "exploring" the page from, let alone the site I think it's supposed to be about.
    – Chindraba
    Mar 17, 2021 at 17:51
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    @Chindraba - that is actually a good comment - i would make that your answer and I would upvote it - this is a prime example that it is currently wrong.
    – JonH
    Mar 17, 2021 at 18:43
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    Are there any twitter reactions about the new homepage out yet? Mar 17, 2021 at 22:06
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    Even from a marketing point of view, this is a not a good homepage. Q&A is your product - why go to such lengths to hide it?
    – Boaz
    Mar 18, 2021 at 15:27
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    @rob74 works only until the next redesign. Then you wouldn't be able to see this page any more.
    – VLAZ
    Mar 19, 2021 at 10:19

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Probably radical opinion: if SE wants people to know what SO is about, maybe create a route that redirects the home page to the tour. It explains SO goals and how it's achieving it and the best of all: doesn't require anyone to try to come up with new ways to describe Stack Overflow. I think that using the tour as homepage is pretty neat. It doesn't show a list of questions, describes the product and how the product works. It even has an example of a Q&A pair!

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    Maybe something like a header "Wondering what stackoverflow is [ TAKE THE TOUR ]." and under it "Already using stackoverflow? Use it at work!" marketing comes into play there. Anyways +1 from me.
    – JonH
    Mar 17, 2021 at 18:46
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    And how about onboarding users through asking a good question from the home page via a wizard instead of dumping them into the thick of things, and thinking it's enough to replace a wizard with the requirement that you have to click the 'post my question' button twice...
    – TylerH
    Mar 17, 2021 at 19:05
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I'm still not a fan. The main landing page is still a massive advertisement for the products that...hate to say it, but...the vast majority of users who come to the site aren't really interested in.

The feedback that you've pulled from social media looks incredibly hand-picked and curated, and its representation as feedback on a site who provided you literally orders of magnitude more pointed feedback is an affront to the whole feedback process.

The people that come to Stack Overflow are looking for an answer to their question. The original landing page which showcased that was sufficient to get those unregistered users the answer they wanted and the value out of Stack Overflow that they required. The other ironic thing? If people are logged in or authenticated to Stack Overflow in any way, they'll never see it unless they intentionally choose to.

With this, we're basically still reminded that the point of this is to sell products to us. Products that we're either not in a position to acquire or products that we're not in the market for.

But at least that godforsaken curl question is removed from the front page. Maybe now y'all can actually take the action to delete it since it finally doesn't provide you any value anymore.

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    I honestly disagree with your criticism. While "the main landing page is still a massive advertisement for the products that [...] the vast majority of users who come to the site aren't really interested in" may be true, SE still needs to make money to stay afloat, and this design revamp does a much better job of conveying the relationship between both components of the platform: the free one everyone is familiar with, and the paid one needed to keep the lights on. It's objectively more informative, both about the platforms themselves & SO's role in each, and that's a net gain in my book.
    – zcoop98
    Mar 17, 2021 at 15:10
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    First thing I noticed upon clicking that link is "please don't tell that to Makoto". Why did it make me laugh?
    – Clockwork
    Mar 17, 2021 at 15:14
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    @zcoop98: The fact that they need money to stay afloat is their problem. Why does that have to interfere with me looking for an answer to my question while I'm unauthenticated? Besides, I've had several negative experiences in using their Teams product such that I cannot in good faith recommend anyone to use it. I've had some of the worst interviews or call back experiences with it. To be blunt I went looking for it. I don't know why Stack Overflow feels moved to put it in front of our faces when we aren't looking for it.
    – Makoto
    Mar 17, 2021 at 15:25
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    @Clockwork: Well, the curl question caused a whole lot of fallout from a then-very vocal and very angry Makoto...
    – Makoto
    Mar 17, 2021 at 15:32
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    You know, the way you phrased the "money" part, makes me think about the second Sam Raimi Spider-Man movie somehow. That one movie where you have a scientist who work on a miniature self-powered sun, and a huge company is paying the bill. His work is his personal dream, and to the company, it's the pay check, if you know what I mean.
    – Clockwork
    Mar 17, 2021 at 15:38
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    @Trilarion: "It could be better, but it also could be worse" is a characterization of a cow pie with whipped cream on top. At its base, it's still a cow pie. We haven't thrown that base out yet, and it kinda shows
    – Makoto
    Mar 17, 2021 at 16:14
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    Not exactly sure why you had to go and mention a post you want to have to deleted here. I don't want that post deleted.. I don't really care for anything else you said here. It's not important compared to you wanting to delete a post, that I think should be kept.
    – Scratte
    Mar 17, 2021 at 16:15
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    @Scratte: Because it existed, the community did decide that it wasn't all that good (and to be fair, the post is actually on his blog instead so there's really not much of a point of keeping it here), it was saved by an employee here for dubious AF reasons, and then it was enshrined as a part of their sales pitch. To say that this pours salt in the wound of any sensible curator on the site is an understatement. That felt like a thorough lashing with a Cat-o-Nine-Tails followed by a skinny dip into the Dead Sea, and those wounds are still pretty raw for me.
    – Makoto
    Mar 17, 2021 at 16:18
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    With the core impetus gone (and I can find some examples which indicate that the preservation choice was more of a marketing ploy than a community values ploy later), then deleting it would at least allow the wounds to start closing up. It'll be tough to forget the actions, but at least the healing could start.
    – Makoto
    Mar 17, 2021 at 16:19
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    @Makoto The odd thing is that not all of us are so happy about the "delete it all"-path that some are using. We think it's a shame to delete all those posts, this one included. I can't see any other reason to delete the post than spite or hate for the post. I can't see it's harmful to keep it here. It's not harmful code and since it's closed it can't be used as a reason for another similar post to be posted here. Deleting it hides it from the world, but what's worse is that nagging feeling "I wonder what other stuff people have deleted on this site" and "Should I post anything here at all?"
    – Scratte
    Mar 17, 2021 at 16:25
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    "Delete it all" is only a thing because we've gone on for so many years now without deleting enough. The hole is only getting deeper.
    – Kevin B
    Mar 17, 2021 at 16:26
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    @Braiam: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - kinda feels like they owe us at least this much if they want to pretend to care about curation...
    – Makoto
    Mar 17, 2021 at 17:14
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    I still kinda feel like the curl question was the duck here; if that's all that was wrong with the homepage, then it was a pretty good homepage... But frankly, I suspect it was just an easy thing to fixate on, because design is squishy and requires thinking hard thoughts about utility and purpose. If the homepage is useful for some purpose, great... But if it's not, then the lack of a curl question doesn't mean jack. Maybe we start by asking if we could see intentionally sending a link to the page to anyone, for any reason, ever.
    – Shog9
    Mar 17, 2021 at 17:21
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    @whn: At least I don't think I've ever outright complained or derided anyone who would complain about they disagreed with the direction of the site, but for certain I'm not the same person who believes that the company just needs a little more time or that patience is the right approach. I get the impression that the pain I've ignored or numbed myself to had finally reached its threshold and asking me to wait before the pain fades away was no longer in my best interests.
    – Makoto
    Mar 22, 2021 at 15:28
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Most feedback of the last iteration told us finding ‘Q&A’ was more difficult, we addressed this at the time by restructuring the URLs and reworking some language on buttons.

There are 3 links to /questions. Two are perplexingly labeled "search", though search is available at the top and does not require or benefit from clicking these links. They likely suffice for folks who already know where they're going. I'm not sure they do anything for anyone else.

The core problem here is that this was and remains an afterthought. The purpose of the homepage as of the last redesign was to promote Teams, and so it remains; there's a stronger nod now to the primary use-case for the public site, but little or nothing to help guide folks who might be here for that purpose. Best-case for someone in that situation is that they find one of the links to /questions and arrive at the list of recent questions, with no further hint at how they might make use of tags or search to effectively navigate to the subset of information that interests them. For these people, the homepage is a no-op.

Because it was never intended to be anything else.

The biggest "calls to action" for the public site remain the signup links. These are what allow the reader to see actual guidance, the real homepage, and information on what sorts of functionality are offered for browsing. But they're calls without cause; only after clicking the button is any hint provided for what functionality is available via this path for consuming information:

from the signup page: "get unstuck — ask a question
Unlock new privileges like voting and commenting
Save your favorite tags, filters, and jobs
Earn reputation and badges"

...and even then, it's part of a grabbag of other functions. The most basic use of the site - researching a topic - remains unstated, unguided, the entrypoint left entirely in the hands of Google and trial+error.

Because the homepage was never intended to guide anyone along this path.

So it remains a marketing page, an island unto itself, incongruous with the common experience.

Meh.

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    Tell us how you really feel :D
    – JonH
    Mar 17, 2021 at 18:33
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    Honestly... I have a hard time caring at all. Only motivated to answer by Makoto's "curl question" discussion; I think it's important to focus on purpose, even if that purpose is super boring.
    – Shog9
    Mar 17, 2021 at 18:34
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    I think they could do better - seriously why not create a div with the top 5 hottest so questions for the week or something and throw it at the top...with some heading like Discover great questions...under this div the marketing could come in...like what you see, work in IT? We have SO Teams...and throw some content of teams in there. I dont know I like teams but I dont think they really need to sell it to me. The selling piece is their developers getting teams to work right. Is it perfect - no - does it help me yes so Im willing to pay for it. I dont get why there is such a need to....
    – JonH
    Mar 17, 2021 at 18:37
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    put so much emphasis on it...it ends up looking so desperate to sell.
    – JonH
    Mar 17, 2021 at 18:37
  • Gonna come clean with you - I feel like removing the question would be the only thing that the company could hem and haw about and then make the painstaking choice to remove. They've made their intention with the homepage of the site as unambiguous as gravity, and I don't see that...changing with feedback.
    – Makoto
    Mar 23, 2021 at 0:46
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    I'm not expecting any changes based on this discussion, @Makoto. All else being equal, change should require clear evidence that goals aren't being met, and that requires clear goals - and I don't think there are any, beyond "this should help Teams somehow". So many of these discussions - both here on meta and within the company - end up being pointless and stressful because folks go into them with differing hopes and unclear goals; recall the advertising fiasco from a few years back, where neither the company nor the community were clear on the desired outcome beyond "make money somehow"...
    – Shog9
    Mar 23, 2021 at 20:28
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Here is my issue with the home page:

Out of this giant hunk of screen real estate, the red rectangle is all I care about. That needs to be bigger, much bigger.

I get that you are trying to sell stuff, but you need to show why people would even want to spend money in the first place. Behind that little red rectangle is a decade of high quality content. Show it off. If people see the value add of Stack Exchange, they will be more inclined to buy. To respond to a comment:

Therefore, I'd think it's completely justified to not make Q&A the main feature on the page, since it clearly stands on its own.

People visiting the logged out homepage, may have no idea what Stack Exchange is. This could be the case, even if they have used the Q&A part already. Stack Exchange needs to utilize the home page, in part, to say "hey, you know that awesome question site youve used before (BIG LINK TO IT HERE), well, we also sell stuff!".

If you can link the positive experience people have had with the Q&A to paid products, I think its a good move. Otherwise people may not make the connection on their own.

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  • The only counter I'd raise to this is that SE already acknowledged that most newcomers to the site don't even arrive at SO/ SE through the home page, but through the Q&A outright ("Our homepage is typical of many large websites where the vast majority of traffic comes to other pages"). Therefore, I'd think it's completely justified to not make Q&A the main feature on the page, since it clearly stands on its own.
    – zcoop98
    Mar 17, 2021 at 17:37
  • Solid rebuttal, I think you have a good point; I appreciate the response. I do still believe the new design is a marked improvement over the old page, but I very much agree that it also still fails to "link the positive experience people have had with the Q&A to paid products," as you put it so nicely.
    – zcoop98
    Mar 17, 2021 at 17:47
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    @zcoop98 "The only counter I'd raise to this is that SE already acknowledged that most newcomers to the site don't even arrive at SO/ SE through the home page, but through the Q&A outright" I have no intention to counter that because it's undoubtedly true. However, most people who arrive through search hits also aren't here to explore the site. Of the people who decide want to explore and maybe learn more than the current Q&A they are looking at, a lot are probably going to head to the home page. Yes, that's a smaller percentage but it's also the group that the home page should cater to
    – VLAZ
    Mar 17, 2021 at 18:30
  • I agree with the "show it off" point. Perhaps onebox the Why is processing a sorted array faster than processing an unsorted array? post somewhere in there even.
    – Travis J
    Mar 19, 2021 at 8:35
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Most feedback of the last iteration told us finding ‘Q&A’ was more difficult, we addressed this at the time by restructuring the URLs and reworking some language on buttons.

I don't see this being substantially addressed. This is not about some words on some buttons. Stack Overflow is all about questions. Nothing gives a better idea of what it is about than seeing those questions.

Have you considered simply showing a live preview of these in the initial viewport? Not just some screenshot of outdated questions, but something that people can immediately interact with? Maybe the most interesting questions of the last 24 hours?

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    IIRC the old version sortof did this, but with a Q/A pair that was blatantly off topic.
    – Kevin B
    Mar 17, 2021 at 16:07
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    It could be a live version - maybe not the most recent, unanswered questions but somewhat well-received questions from today.
    – mrks
    Mar 17, 2021 at 16:08
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    There's this amazing real-time feed of questions built for exactly this purpose... stackexchange.com/questions?tab=realtime
    – Shog9
    Mar 17, 2021 at 18:00
  • +1 because this is exactly what I was thinking, right before I encountered your answer. Mar 18, 2021 at 19:47
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    Would it be useful to invite visitors to explore tags they are interested in? Like "Here are our top python questions, and our top javascript questions, and our top php questions (bless your wretched soul)"?
    – tripleee
    Mar 19, 2021 at 8:34
  • @Shog9 - Uhm, what? How did I never know about that. That would fit perfectly there.
    – Travis J
    Mar 19, 2021 at 8:36
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we wanted to be clear that although you’re on stackoverflow.com, there is a whole network of sites you can explore from here.

It is certainly good that there is something pointing to the rest of the SE sites. That being said, anyone who actually finds the link to the SE network deserves a cookie. I missed it 3 times in a row, and I was actively looking for it.

It is yet another color block with text at the bottom of an endless page of color blocks and text. It is after links to advertising and jobs. Why would anyone keep scrolling down? This is the same as putting it behind a sign that says, "Beware of the leopard".

We’re highlighting a few of the related technical focused Stack Exchanges which might be of interest to a visitor just discovering Stack Overflow.

Are you? If so, I missed them. Actually, I see them now. You are talking about the random icons that appear on the screen around the Stack Exchange area. There is no hint at all that I should randomly click on icons that are not descriptive at all. These would be much more discoverable if there was text to go along with them.

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  • "who actually finds the link to the SE network deserves a cookie" it was a drop down from the icon at the top left.
    – Braiam
    Mar 17, 2021 at 17:04
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    Well, after reading this answer - twice - I did find the link. Sort of anyway. I scrolled too fast, however, and was gone before the "random icons" appeared, so I was confused by that section of the answer. Third time, while looking for the "icons" I noticed them start to appear. That they are links is about as apparent as the sun rising in the west.
    – Chindraba
    Mar 17, 2021 at 17:46
  • @Braiam What drop down? The hamburger menu? Not there. The "Products" tab? Not there. The only link that I can find to the rest of the StackExchange network sites is at the very bottom of the page, just above the footer.
    – hazzey
    Mar 17, 2021 at 17:59
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  • "From serverfault to superuser" - .... that's the second and third topical site to be established :D Mar 18, 2021 at 1:51
  • @hazzey look for the supercolider™ on MSE. Or discussions about the top bar after that.
    – Braiam
    Mar 18, 2021 at 10:40
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I'll tell a story.

Recently I was talking with my non-programmer colleague about contributions to humanity. And I told him that I am helping other programmers of the whole world sometimes using StackOverflow. He seemed to be intrigued, so I told him to type "stackoverflow" in Google, click it and ... 10 minutes later I was able to reach the Q&A part to show him what I was talking about. I felt like an idiot and a liar.

That landing page is crap. It's annoying, overcolored, ugly, distracting, useless, not to the point and looks like a result of work of typical effective manager who has 0 relationship to a programming, but a very good at selling people furniture.

It's not an additional click, rather an additional time cost to anyone before they are at site.

Please remove it.

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  • Maybe they did something based on your feedback, but the first two places I tried to click both worked, and brought me to the questions.
    – tripleee
    Mar 19, 2021 at 8:28
  • @tripleee, just tried in incognito and nothing seems to be changed. Whatever I click it will either send me to a register page, to some teams pages or does nothing. It could be I am an idiot though or perhaps too old?
    – Sinatr
    Mar 19, 2021 at 8:39
  • Maybe I'm not a good test subject, in that I sort of guessed that the thing which is labelled "search content" actually doesn't (it's in small type so I probably didn't even read it properly). The second thing I clicked on was the big Stack Overflow planet image; the image itself actually isn't clickable, but moving the mouse slightly and trying again fixed that for me. Perhaps the main image should also be linked?
    – tripleee
    Mar 19, 2021 at 8:45
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    To sell a thing they should not be blocking the entrance completely. Users like me hate clicks, we basically leave the new site completely after seeing the first popup window. And while SO would be hard to replace there are many SO Teams alternatives. Recently they "refresh" their SO Teams ad (which present on many pages anyway), so it popup-up again to tell me it's free. I hope all they are doing is really worth it, it works opposite for me: I will not recommend SO Teams to anyone and will try my best to avoid using it.
    – Sinatr
    Mar 19, 2021 at 9:03
  • Yeah, I agree that it's messy and somewhat repellent.
    – tripleee
    Mar 19, 2021 at 9:17
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This is not the first answer to point out that the questions are hard to find, but since the first time the questions were hidden, I've always found it to be a perplexingly, amazingly bad decision. Imagine a popular grocery chain, and imagine going to their site and getting... the company presentation. The brochure stuff, for historians or investors. Imagine, amidst claims of "thousands of locations countrywide" and "a wide assortment of household wares", having to hunt around for the link to find the stores and opening hours and locations, or to the web store where you can buy stuff for delivery.

It's not that it's a poorly built web site, it just doesn't fulfill the goal of letting people who go there do what they probably want to do, which is to do stuff with the actual questions. Have this site available somewhere under "what even is this thing" and let the real questions site itself do the talking; the box at the top about questions and answers that was there for a few years did a good job on its own and led to the tour page which is a great way of explaining in simple, direct and relevant terms how it works and which subjects this Q&A site covers.

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  • Unfortunately lots of websites are making it very hard to find out what their product is really about. Stack is no different. I can't count how many times I've given up on finding out what a product is about from their own website and instead gone to find out through wikipedia. Admittedly I'm less likely to use a product if the company can't even present or explain it on their own site.
    – Scratte
    Mar 18, 2021 at 10:16
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    Exactly - it may be the case that Stack wants the visitor to be interested about other things too. But accosting them when they're trying to accomplish something isn't productive.
    – Jesper
    Mar 18, 2021 at 10:19
  • This argument is a good one only if most traffic to SO was routed through the home page. As far as hard numbers go, we have this Overflow Blog post from 2017, which says that, at the time, less than 1% of unregistered user traffic hit the home page. There's no reason to believe this number has increased in the time since then. [1/2]
    – zcoop98
    Mar 18, 2021 at 15:11
  • [2/2] This matters because it helps illustrate the page's purpose- when I go to Target.com, it's because I want to search Target for products. When I want an answer on some programming question, I search Google. Posts from SO naturally float to the top of results because they're useful and relevant. This isn't true of a store, which makes it a poor comparison. The home page is an ad pitch because it doesn't need to function as a funnel for new users to the rest of the site; that isn't its purpose, and thus isn't its design as a result.
    – zcoop98
    Mar 18, 2021 at 15:11
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    This reminds me of the one in a million is next Tuesday story. Of course Stack Overflow receives most traffic from search engine results going straight to questions. But 1% (or less than 1%) of Stack Overflow's traffic is still many millions of visits, magnitudes more than most other web sites, and still a whole lot of people to leave confused wondering what's so great about this site that they can't even find their way into.
    – Jesper
    Mar 19, 2021 at 9:20
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    Or in other words, I'll bet you any amount of money that the vast majority of visitors to stackoverflow.com are more interested in ending up among the questions than in ending up in the other site.
    – Jesper
    Mar 19, 2021 at 9:22
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    @zcoop98 Re "doesn't need to function as a funnel" it doesn't matter what percent of Q&A seekers arrive at the page. What matters is what percent of people who arrive at the page seek Q&A.
    – philipxy
    Mar 22, 2021 at 20:58
  • @zcoop98 Of course if you want to maximize corporate profit then you are interested not in people who seek Q&A but people who might buy product. But get the costs & benefits & reasoning right.
    – philipxy
    Mar 22, 2021 at 21:02
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    @philipxy For sake of argument, it's also important to flip your point on its head: What also matters is what percent of people who arrive at the page do indeed seek to buy Teams, a number we don't have. If some insignificant percentage of people that end up on the home page are seeking to buy product, then the page works exactly as intended.
    – zcoop98
    Mar 22, 2021 at 21:35
  • @zcoop98 You seem to be restating my 2nd comment. PS Maybe irritating the great majority of people who arrive, Q&A seekers, who have some indirect benefit to the company, should not be totally ignored when determining "as intended".
    – philipxy
    Mar 22, 2021 at 21:45
  • @zcoop98 People seeking other information than the questions is a legitimate point, and I think Teams is a big chunk of those (as are companies looking to advertise directly on Stack Overflow). There is a highly visible, clear and well designed "Stack Overflow for Teams" promotion in the left sidebar, and there's plenty of room for more such information without crowding out or outright hiding the main use of the site, including a link throwing to the other site.
    – Jesper
    Mar 23, 2021 at 12:16
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I'm not the target audience for the SO landing page, but I still find the whole thing incredibly confusing in terms of navigation. This is not on the landing page alone, especially the company pages help with the confusion here.

What I don't get from the homepage and the entire navigation is a sense of how the site is structured. I know that there are the following big sections:

  • Q&A

  • Teams

  • Jobs

And then there are some company sections that are for a more limited audience

  • Company/About

  • Blog/The Overflow

  • Advertising

The product dropdown does the best job to show these, but I still find that one a bit confusing for someone without any previous knowledge about the company. But the other parts of the homepage make it even more confusing.

Q&A and Teams and Jobs are intertwined, which is to some extent understandable, but also a bit confusing. And Teams is really two parts, the actual Teams interface inside Q&A and the Teams landing pages for selling you Teams.

The moment where it gets really confusing is if you click on any About or Company page. Suddenly the top navigation changes entirely, in a completely inconsistent way to the main SO site. God help anyone that clicks through to The Overflow, the way back to the homepage is quite unobtrusive there.

Another issue is what "home" means in each section. For anonymous users this leads far too often to the landing page, not the main section they're actually looking at like Q&A. If you arrive at SO via Google on any question, if you make the mistake of clicking "Home" or the logo in the top left, suddenly you're in what looks like a very different site altogether.

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    That last line is a good point that I haven't seen much of, it doesn't look like Stack Overflow. The main part of the site is relatively minimalist and functional, which at least for me personally is exactly what I want in a Q&A site, and then you get to that mess of a homepage that feels like it's trying to incorporate every single modern design trend just for the sake of being trendy. Mar 17, 2021 at 23:53
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This new front page seem a definite improvement over the last couple iterations. It places public Q&A in a more obvious and visible position, and in a way that clearly shows how teams flows from and relates to the public Stack Overflow platform.

One suggestion I would make would be to swap the positions of the "Join the community" and the "search content" buttons. While I do understand the impulse to get users to sign up, the first use case most people have is searching for content on Stack Overflow. As such it feels like search should be the more prominent button, and the one the eye is naturally drawn to. Furthermore, if someone is not already familiar with what Stack Overflow actually is then the login screen probably isn't the best introduction to what we do here. Taking them to the questions list however will give them a much better idea of what the site is really about, which seems more likely to keep them interested than the account creation process.

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    I think it's a bit interesting that the signup page says "Get unstuck — ask a question"; probably not a good idea honestly. Really should be something like "Get unstuck -- search Google for our questions". Kind of kicking the can down the road here, SO set out to be a "definitive collection of coding questions & answers", after 10 years, surely they made some progress on this? By now SO is pretty much that for all but the newest techs and niche problems, in that case wouldn't it be better to present the information SO already has, somehow? There's no real strategy for this, which is kinda sad.
    – jrh
    Mar 17, 2021 at 15:09
  • I guess what this page is saying is, 1 on 1 help is more .... profitable? than making a reference, does that mean that SE thinks that it's more cost effective to target users with one on one help (does not scale at all) instead of targeting users that would rather search and read? Or are they thinking that the readers and searchers are already well served and it's time to pivot to explaining the content that's already here? As somebody who reads I see a lot of outdated/flawed content, so there's still some problems to solve there. A better search would be a big step towards discoverability.
    – jrh
    Mar 19, 2021 at 15:49
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Couple of observations. I'm not a UX designer or a webdev so please take whatever I say with a grain of salt

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We have a search bar on top. Both the 'calls to action' on the top are for new sign ups. It might be nice - instead of having an inconsistent "search content" to point it at the site tour or "Discover Stack Overflow" to match the tour teams has.

The page is *incredibly* deep and has elements popping up at me. Its shiny but slightly distracting.

On my UHD screen I need to scroll *about* 4 page-downs to see anything about teams, 6 for other products and 8 for the wider network. There's no 'short' way to get to a specific thing if I want to. On the teams page its 2. Might be nice to have some way to skip down to "Yes! I want to just get the thing! Cut the sales pitch!"

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  • Was going to add a post about "search content" being misleading asking to change it to "browse content". Mar 18, 2021 at 8:36
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Suddenly, I have this thing on the left of every single Stack Exchange community for which I am either not logged in or don't have an account:

Small tag sticking on the left of the page, advertisement for "Stack Overflow for Teams"

I don't know how to describe it, but I personally find it... unpleasant? Distracting?

It doesn't help that it looks like a black square on top of a (most of the time on most community) clear background, and it keeps following me as I scroll down.

If there was a cross to close it, I would have clicked it. But for now, I will use µBlock to zap it out of the way.

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  • That's weird, mine had a cross to close it, and it hasn't come back since.
    – zcoop98
    Mar 18, 2021 at 17:19
  • Just Adblock that whole section, it’s only ever used to advertise garbage
    – Kevin B
    Mar 18, 2021 at 17:32
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    This is explained in this MSE post
    – Luuklag
    Mar 18, 2021 at 20:31
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    I find it more distracting that Ask Ubuntu and Super User flies a big cookies banner across the useful content every single time a page loads. Probably something in my browser config (NoScript and what not) but seriously, it should just go.
    – tripleee
    Mar 19, 2021 at 8:27
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    As @zcoop98 mentions mine, while being logged in, had it too. Then I clicked the little X and it's not been back since. Now I'm left to wonder how I get it back :D
    – Scratte
    Mar 20, 2021 at 13:32
  • @Scratte Now that you mention it, I think I probably had the bar on the left too a long time ago. And now it stopped showing up when I'm logged in, although it keeps showing up when I go to some communities on which I don't have an account. That last bit is what I find strange, why would people be interested in having Stack Overflow for Teams if all they want is to read stuffs on the Beer, Wine & Spirits Stack Exchange community?
    – Clockwork
    Mar 20, 2021 at 14:16
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    @Scratte Actually, I had checked the "Hide left navigation bar" in my settings. I just unchecked it, and now I see what you saw. And yeah, once I clicked the cross, it left forever, on every communities. I think there's 2 things going on here: there's an account specific setting, and there's a cookie too for the communities where I don't have an account.
    – Clockwork
    Mar 20, 2021 at 14:22
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    @Clockwork Maybe some people feel like "Beer, Wine & Spirits" is best as a team-effort? :D
    – Scratte
    Mar 20, 2021 at 14:52
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Awesome. I really am a fan of the new design.

I think that there is a better word choice for making it to the public Q&A section though, instead of "or search content".

I am unsure what a better fit would be, but searching content isn't exactly a welcoming phrase, it is insider jargon.

  • "or browse questions"

  • "or see new posts"

  • "or view for free"

  • "or start looking"

  • "or view content"

  • "or step right in"

Or none of those, but something other than search content, which to me, I picture a search bar, not a full fledged 100% free access to the most awesome knowledge repo on the internet.

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    "or get the Tik for your Tok" to connect with the younger target audience ...
    – rene
    Mar 19, 2021 at 14:04
  • I must be the only young adult who doesn't use Tik Tok...
    – 10 Rep
    Mar 20, 2021 at 17:58
  • @10Rep Don't worry, you're not the only one to be yourself. I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't use Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, WhatsApp, Instagram, I rarely use my phone, I don't hang out, I don't use Signal, ... I am myself, and I use stuffs I like.
    – Clockwork
    Mar 21, 2021 at 20:03
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Stack Overflow is a community of developers. Developers know this and have helped shape and grow the site to what it currently is today. It is a no nonsense interface useful for Q&A, period.

The parent company is just trying to capitalize on this "crowdsourcing" of sorts by introducing corporate bells and whistles. I participate on Stack Overflow because as an individual I feel unique regardless of the company I am working for. Stack Overflow rep matters not in any interview process I've been a part of.

You can bet your bottom dollar that if my upper management ever got suckered into what's going on here then I would make a new account.

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