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I have just stumbled upon these two questions with a number of upvotes and downvotes as of the time of writing this post:

I don't understand the reason for the intense chain of downvoting.

Let's say the questions lack quality to be either downvoted or left as is. So we can compare with the recommended reason to downvote (source: https://stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/vote-down):

  • Downvote questions that don't show any research effort or don't contain enough information to be clear and answerable. These questions may also need to be closed.

The question clearly contains enough information to be clear and answerable. Does it show an effort? Well, how much effort the askers of this, this, and this questions took? None. Is it okay because these became quickly very popular among users and were asked many years ago? Well, it makes sense until I show you my very similar question (having 18 upvotes and 1 downvote) just a few months older than the two questions at the beginning. I think this requirement is either ignored or aimed against the "do my homework pls" question.

The question is understandable, properly formated. Moreover, the self-answered questions are not only allowed but also encouraged and this is the case. I am sure they would become searched a lot in the future. See https://stackoverflow.com/help/self-answer:

Yes! Stack Exchange has always explicitly encouraged users to answer their own questions. If you have a question that you already know the answer to, and you would like to document that knowledge in public so that others (including yourself) can find it later, it's perfectly okay to ask and answer your own question on a Stack Exchange site.

Interestingly:

  • The answers are less downvoted (6 upvotes/2 downvotes and 7 upvotes/0 downvotes).
  • No negative comments are present. Actually, no comments are present (at the time of writing this post).

What happens here? What do I miss? Why are these two questions so heavily downvoted?

(I haven't voted to these questions yet, however, it is my intention to upvote them both including the answers in the soon future).


Meta-effect after cca 24 hours (I didn't vote yet):

The two mentioned questions accumulated quite a lot of upvotes and downvotes while the overall score has improved. I see the community here is very split.


Meta-long term effect after ca. 3 months (lots of rep and attention)

Overall still lots of up and downvotes but a bit more up than downvotes lately.

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    you can probably add a third one to the list too. This one with 6 upvotes and 6 downvotes stackoverflow.com/questions/65657169/… Commented Jan 24, 2021 at 23:32
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    They've all been closed and reopened. I suspect there were probably some comments cleaned up too that would explain matters (and downvoters getting on a bandwagon) Commented Jan 24, 2021 at 23:36
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    It looks like these were topic of discussion in socvr chat chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/51347286#51347286 Commented Jan 24, 2021 at 23:54
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    @MartinSmith Yes, I can vouch for there being quite a few comments on the question that you linked, as well as the second linked question in this Meta. I recall leaving a comment on at least one of them. I assume that moderators decided to clean up those comments at some point (or there were sufficient flags raised on the comments to delete them). From my recollection of the comments, they are quite illustrative of the reasons users voted to close and reopen those questions. I think it would be useful to this Meta if a moderator would dig them up, and add them here.
    – cigien
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 1:18
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    There's currently lots of irrational voting going on. Currently I'm being serial down-voted, while all answers are technically acceptable and often more accurate than the rest of them. I'd certainly understand why they do it (besides some retaliation for closing their questions), but this statement would get moderated. Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 3:46
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    Please repeat it after me - "Answering your own questions isn't bad". Writing a good QnA isn't bad, regardless of why it was written (i.e., to get rep) as long as the post is solid and adds value to the site. Now whether the post actually adds value is up for debate.
    – cs95
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 4:11
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    @Astara There indeed seems to be some sense of discontent, which plays out. I also often notice that actual solutions are being down-voted, while questionable workarounds get upvoted. It's all a matter of popularity (alike in that other one popularity contest which you were referring to), not necessarily about quality. Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 4:33
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    My $0.02: SO questions, regardless of being self-answered, exist to solve problems. The text blocks question is somewhat useful as a tutorial / faq about the feature. The NPE one reads like an announcement blog post split into a Q+A pair saying "look at this improvement to Java" and I don't see how it maps to an actual problem that needs to be solved. There might be valid pieces of info in there, especially the second answer referencing the -D flag (and maybe a reversed question in a few years when no-message NPEs are only found in legacy projects) but for now its value is questionable.
    – l4mpi
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 8:15
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    (Not rhetorical) Is it acceptable for a user to go through a language's release notes, pick the new items they like the look of, and post invented questions for themselves to answer on them?
    – khelwood
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 9:17
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    I really do not think that the intent of encouraging self-answers is to have people basically recreate change logs. I sincerely hope that questions along the line of the NPE question are not deemed desirable. Yes, there are many bad questions already on SO – which should be a reason to want less of them, not more of them. Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 10:17
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    @NikolasCharalambidis The moment when you come up with old questions that are not focused and highly upvoted you are not objective anymore. When we start talking about fairness: The user has earned around 1300 reputation at this point by actually just thinning out and dumping content from some JEPs into Stack Overflow; in a form that is not suited (if we are strict) for Stack Overflow on top. I've seen countless extremly well-written and useful answers on SO that hardly get any attention. Is that fair? No. This is why we should focus on the actual case and stop comparing to other cases.
    – akuzminykh
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 11:39
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    I looked at the questions and my main problems with them are that they are badly researched (no link to official existing documentation, which is easy to find) and they mostly duplicate existing documentation (haven't compared everything). It's difficult to say if they are really useful. Downvotes can be justified. Closing on the other hand is a different matter. I wouldn't close them. Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 13:25
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    @khelwood Yes, it is. Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 15:39
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    And if, hypothetically, every time any new version of anything was released it was followed by 20 questions that were self-answered prompts to justify summarising various elements of the release notes, would we regard that positively or negatively? (I state no position either way.)
    – khelwood
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 15:54
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    We need a general discussion about duplicating external content. Bug reports or new features like here or just existing documentation, I can ask for anything. And many people do already. There must be a more general answer to duplicating content possible. Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 16:31

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The question What are switch expressions and how are they different from switch statements? seems absolutely fine. Some users don't like Stack Overflow to be a replacement for official guides/documentation/FAQs that can be easily found in this case. This question simply explains the feature; it does not describe a programming problem when using this feature. This is the only reason I can imagine why it got downvotes.

The question How is NullPointerException in Java 14 different from its predecessor?: pretty much the same thing. The question seems fine but has the same "issue".

The question What is the Text Blocks (or Multiline Strings) feature in Java? is not fine IMO. While the previous questions address one specific thing, this question has multiple questions at once that should be questions on their own.

Therefore it should be closed for lacking focus, which it was multiple times. The user often asks other users to reopen their posts. They just post comments under other posts and ask for reopen-votes. This is why this question got reopened again and again.

I've seen this question when there were comments present: Multiple comments explained exactly that the question is not focused enough and does nothing but basically "replace" the corresponding JEP. All comments got removed. In response to that the use editted the "story" into the question that all questions are coming from their team. This surely makes it "seem" more valid but technically hasn't changed anything: the question lacks focus.

It's harsh to downvote the question as it is somewhat useful and well-prepared but it's objectively justified.

Questions on Stack Overflow should be specific to one thing. When someone has a problem and searches on the web, then ideally there should be something to be found on Stack Overflow that addresses the exact problem, nothing more. If someone is interested in a FAQ-like resource that provides an overview, then it should be found in official resources or tutorials or whatever. Stack Overflow is not the place for it. We should provide answers to specific programming questions, not guides to whole features. This is my opinion.

Finally I'd like to mention that it's a bit difficult to compare voting-behaviour nowadays to 10 years ago. I'd prefer to look on a question isolated to avoid the "fairness-factor".

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    How exactly is the NPE question useful given that all it does is explaining "the exception message in an NPE was improved"? The other questions at least give an explanation and examples of a new syntax and can be understood as "how do I use <new feature>" which is an accepted question archetype on SO (focus issues of the multiline q and documentation duping nonwithstanding). But that's not the case for the NPE one and I struggle to see a valid question in there, with the only saving grace being the answer by a different user which gives some useful information about the -D flag.
    – l4mpi
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 8:41
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    @l4mpi Actually you have a point there. Another reason why someone would downvote.
    – akuzminykh
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 8:48
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    Regarding the too broad point, it's true that there are 4 questions there; on the other hand, it seems like these 4 can be compressed to one "is there any difference in behavior of text blocks and normal string" (while list of differences is not okay, in this case the answer is "no", and it could show these as examples)-- would it still be too broad?
    – user202729
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 10:23
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    @user202729 I think this question cannot be fixed without adjusting the answer as well. The question asks multiple things and the answer answers multiple things. Again: If someone searches e.g. for: "Are Text Blocks stored in the string pool?", then ideally there should exactly 1 question on Stack Overflow that is exactly that question and there should be exactly 1 answer that answers just that. Focused, precise, on-topic: true Q&A. There should not be an answer that answers 10 things at once, including this. The user can edit the question however they want, the answer has to follow IMO.
    – akuzminykh
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 11:20
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    @akuzminykh I don't see anything wrong if the answer demonstrate the point (that text block can be used the same way as normal string literal) by providing some examples? I mean, they're trivial thing that follows from the fact that text block are Strings.
    – user202729
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 11:23
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    @user202729 I don't understand your argument. Could you try to phrase it differently? Notice that I'm mainly talking about the question, not the answer.
    – akuzminykh
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 11:29
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    "The user often asks other users to reopen their posts. They just post comments under other posts and ask for reopen-votes. This is why this question got reopened again and again." If you see this you should flag it for moderators; solicitation of votes is not allowed, especially direct, targeted solicitation.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 18:55
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    Stack Overflow is not just for problems with code, it's also to ask how code works.
    – Nzall
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 21:58
  • @user202729 That was an example of "list all differences between 20 different fully featured OpenGL support libraries", which is way different than "what is the difference between two quite similar language features". Completeness is possible, opinion isn't needed, and formatting it in a non-language-specification way is reasonable. So none of the "this is bad" apply. Commented Jan 26, 2021 at 0:36
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    ......... the point of all these meta discussion is to limit the amount of bad content ("broken window effect") we have to deal with, right? If there's so few of them (languages don't change that often) and half of the community think that it's good content then what's the harm in just keeping them?
    – user202729
    Commented Jan 26, 2021 at 1:37
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    @user202729 1. I don't see anyone here discussing if we should delete these questions. 2. The question here is not if these questions are useful but why they got downvoted.
    – akuzminykh
    Commented Jan 26, 2021 at 8:46
  • It seems doable to edit the NPE question into something more along the lines of "How do I find what cause a NullPointerException in Java" and then the answer (explaining how to turn on the feature and how it works) would be helpful. Not sure if we already have a question like that, though. Commented Jan 26, 2021 at 21:49
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    @GavinS.Yancey Nope, will be closed as duplicate of What is a NullPointerException, and how do I fix it?. You know that this will happen. Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 10:57
  • @JohannesKuhn so maybe this question should be as well. Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 19:41
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    @GavinS.Yancey You are kidding me, right? Helpful Null Pointer Exceptions don't exist, and should therefore not mentioned on Stack Overflow? Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 20:05
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There are plenty of good reasons why those questions are downvoted, but...

none of the reasons are because they are self answered

The downvote button says that "it shows no research effort, it's unclear or not useful" and I agree with all of them.

  • It shows no research effort: the features has been just released, and I would be hard pressed to think that the Java team hasn't put a very concise blog post, article or documentation about the new features and how they expect to be used.
  • It is unclear: when someone asks clarification about a feature, I usually believe that it's the best to include what part of the feature you don't understand, ie. some context about the behavior you expect, or an example of how you think it should be used. Tied with the reason above, it seems that the user just saw the name of the new feature and instead of continue reading, just went to SO to ask a question about it. We expect askers to at least put some work on their part trying to understand things first, since even one of the best answers on the site also have one of the best asked questions on the site (note that the question didn't ask "what is branch prediction", despite the answer arguably explain both, but instead put forward an issue that has a practical application).
  • It is not useful: I mean... what usefulness have a question asking "what X is" when X is already described on the documentation?

The pink elephant in the room

Of course, there must be people that saw these questions and would questioned the asker intentions... and that's ok too. Votes are very personal and you are free to use them as you like, as long as you don't target an specific user. But given that there are plenty of good reasons as to why someone would vote one way or the other, I prefer thinking that the reasons on the tooltip are enough to explain why those question were downvoted.

(BTW, another reason why I believe you shouldn't vote on a post is because you think that the user doesn't deserve the votes, that's voting for the user, not for the quality of the post itself)

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    This. "What is X?" (to be self-answered with "A new feature, solving problem Y.") is not a good Q&A topic. But if it was written in the form of "How to solve problem Y?", and answered with "There's a brand new feature X for this!", it would be more acceptable.
    – Bergi
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 18:04
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    I don't get the "pink elephant in the room" pun, specifically the "pink" part. I've generally seen that used in the context of deleted posts, but that doesn't seem to apply here; none of the linked Qs or even the As are deleted. What's the joke I'm missing?
    – cigien
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 18:25
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    @cigien english.stackexchange.com/questions/104243/… "A "pink elephant" is something that people are said to see quite often when they're drunk. It's a drunken hallucination."
    – TylerH
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 18:56
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    @TylerH Oh, I see. I learned something useful today, thanks :) That's a good joke.
    – cigien
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 18:58
  • @Bergi In the case of the NPE question, this is not possible. Any question that asks "I have a NPE, and I got that helpful message, how do I fix it" will be closed as duplicate of the old, "canonical" NPE question. But no answer in there talks about how to actually use the information provided by the helpful NPE feature. And you can't even answer that canonical question, because someone decided that everything has been said about this topic. Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 10:53
  • @JohannesKuhn which is why I hate that one. It shouldn't be an all encompassing question, but instead be focused to one topic.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 11:13
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    @JohannesKuhn Yes, "How is X different?" is not a "*What is X?" question. For the NPE topic (where the current question is too specific about Java 14, nobody who doesn't already know the answer will find that), I would recommend something like "How can I find the cause of a NPE?" (with the answer "Java 14 helps you"). Which indeed might be more useful to be merged into one of the wiki answers on that canonical NPE topic, but I'm not a java person. And I'm certain you could ping a moderator to allow adding another answer if it's really considered new.
    – Bergi
    Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 12:13
  • You can't answer the canonical question. Because locked. Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 12:14
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    @JohannesKuhn You can't answer it, but you can edit the community wiki answers
    – Bergi
    Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 12:15
  • well, the top answer to the canonical NPE question does mention the improved error message (near the bottom of the answer). Could be expanded to include the relevant config setting etc as well.
    – Hulk
    Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 13:25
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    I wouldn't describe the linked to documentation as "very concise". It has an intro, which doesn't give any sample and I then have to get through "History", "Goals" and "Non-Goals" and "Motivation" before I get to an example. Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 13:42
  • @Bergi Sure, let's take the topmost answer and edit that stuff in. Not really a good idea. Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 14:38
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    @JohannesKuhn I would just delete all of it and write it from scratch.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 15:14
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What is the Text Blocks (or Multiline Strings) feature in Java?

"I’m voting to close this question as off topic because it doesn't present a practical programming problem. Describing a new feature of a language rather belongs in a blog or documentation." - 3 hours ago

No, no, no.

There is no rule stating that Stack Overflow should not be used to document new language features. There is no rule telling that the source of the question must be an acute, pressing, urgent programming problem that must be solved before one can continue; quite the contrary.

And it definitely isn't lacking focus or Too Broad. Look at the help center:

Needs more focus - if your question has many valid answers (but no way to determine which - if any - are correct), then it probably needs to be more focused to be successful in our format.

This question is not asking "How can I let users log into my web application", evoking a discussion about the various login providers and authentication frameworks out there. It is asking a very few, tightly related question about a new language feature.

The kind of questions that will pull in users to this site for years to come, and lets them stick around because of the helpful information they've found here.

Stop looking at questions through close-vote-colored glasses, i.e. "I don't like this question and want it gone; which close reason can I stretch to do so?".

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    It's a bit insulting to suggest that people's motivation is that they "don't like this question" and are "stretch"ing a close reason, just because their view of it doesn't match your own. Your opinion that it should be left open is an equal "stretch".
    – Clive
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 12:21
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    @MisterMiyagi no, why?
    – CodeCaster
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 12:22
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    @Clive feeling insulted by someone's opinion is a choice. I am of the opinion that there are some people who are so focused (get it?) on closing questions that they forget what this site is about.
    – CodeCaster
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 12:23
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    You're also being quite selective with your copy/pasting of close vote reasons. This question currently includes multiple questions in one. It should focus on one problem only., for a post containing 6 distinct questions, albeit related, is hardly a difficult jump to make
    – Clive
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 12:23
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    @Clive that's the difference between the spirit and the letter of the law. A question asking "How can I create a stored procedure? How should I put it in version control? And how can I let it sometimes return a table, and at other times a scalar value?" are wildly varying questions that allow for many different answers. The rule is to prevent that problem. The question we're talking about here, does not cause that problem.
    – CodeCaster
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 12:26
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    @CodeCaster For example: Because there seems to be no added benefit in duplicating such existing information. Because it invites templated Q&A. Because it reduces the visibility/impact/... of "real" programming questions. Because it invites questions which lack "any research effort". ... Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 12:28
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    "There is no rule stating..." -- except stackoverflow.com/help/on-topic . Describing a new language feature is none of the things listed there as on-topic. Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 13:15
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    @ivan "how can I use [language feature]" is "a specific programming problem".
    – CodeCaster
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 13:22
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    @l4mpi yet there are about ten thousand questions about, for example, C# verbatim strings, string interpolation, format strings, and so on. It's stuff that actual programmers actually use. There is absolutely no problem in having a canonical question that asks about some of the basics (you know, for search engines), for reasons explained in the penultimate paragraph of this answer.
    – CodeCaster
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 16:31
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    @CodeCaster but that IS the current question after the latest edit. Go read it. It does NOT ask about syntax. The part about concatenating Multiline Strings and String, and using String.format, is directly from the Q+A pair. I'm saying that these questions are absurd and thus not useful. So I guess you agree?
    – l4mpi
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 16:54
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    @l4mpi and then again, "But the question ATM is "here's a list of things you can do with Strings, can you also do them with Multiline Strings?" with the answer being a very convoluted way of saying "yes, you can, because it's still a String" - so what? Finding a question silly has never been an argument for closing it, which has happened three times now at the time of writing.
    – CodeCaster
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 17:01
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    @CodeCaster they are problematic. The questions suggest that there might be a difference to regular Strings, and hide the answer ("no there isn't") behind walls of text. It's simply a bad, convoluted, Q/A pair, and nowhere near fit for a canonical (which it could become by virtue of being first or very early). The fact that a (more verbose) variant of "it's a regular String" is repeated multiple times during the sub-answers is another sign of that. The multiple-questions part feels a bit llike a clickbait headline on a crappy news site.
    – l4mpi
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 18:14
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    Counterpoint regarding "needs focus: the reasoning for picking it in the close vote modal says "This question currently includes multiple questions in one. It should focus on one problem only." The specific question you're discussing is literally (currently, at least) just a bulleted list of questions... not even all related to each other. Thus I think close votes of "needs more focus" are perfectly warranted for that reason. (NB - I have no dog in this fight, FWIW)
    – TylerH
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 19:04
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    @CodeCaster It clearly does cause that problem, by virtue of asking multiple independent questions.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 19:14
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    "Stop looking at questions through close-vote-colored glasses" -- ooh yes, absolutely. IMHO that's been a flaw of SO for the last 8-10 years or so. Too many Soup Nazis
    – Jason S
    Commented Jan 26, 2021 at 5:23
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The immediate reasons for downvotes have already been explained by Braiam: many users thought that it's not useful for one reason or another. I'm going to concentrate on the apparent reason why they thought so.


Bottom line:

These questions are formulated and focused in a way that's off topic at SO.

They need to be asked (and answered) differently, with a practical programming problem as a base point, to become on-topic.

  • Most probably, that's going to require splitting them into multiple ones to be able to cover all facets of the new features (see below), so it's easier to just have these ones closed and start anew.

https://stackoverflow.com/help/on-topic:

<...> if your question generally covers…

  • a specific programming problem, or
  • a software algorithm, or
  • software tools commonly used by programmers; and is
  • a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development

…then you’re in the right place to ask your question! <...>

Describing a new feature of a language is none of those things:


  • How is NullPointerException in Java 14 different from its predecessor?: "What makes NullPointerException in Java SE 14 more usable than its predecessor?"
    • That's a loaded question for starters, and open to opinion-based interpretation, thus unanswerable. E.g.: What qualifies as "usable"? How "usable" a random trait or corollary of that new feature has to be to qualify for inclusion?
    • Then, it's not a practical programming problem. It basically says: "These are the new features. They might come in handy... somewhere... someday... or maybe not." Information of this kind is not useful on its own if you have a problem to solve (see below for more details why).
      • A practical problem (and thus question) connected to this new feature could be e.g.:
        • Do I need to do anything differently due to this feature to migrate my code to Java 14? E.g.: change some existing code or programming idioms; do debugging differently?
        • Do stock tools and facilities (e.g. IDE tools by Oracle and built-in functionality like stacktraces) provide any additional benefits in Java 14+ that were made possible by this new feature? E.g. richer debugging features/feedback, better stacktraces, improved exception handling semantics...
      • As you can see, with a question formulated like this, you couldn't describe the feature's traits in an answer. You would only briefly list those that are relevant to the corresponding practical concern (and would very likely link to the official documentation for a full description) -- and would focus not on describing them but only on how they apply for the practical use case presented in the question. You would also refer to any other features that are relevant to this use case if applicable, not necessarily just this one.
        • The requirement for the focus to be like this is what distinguishes SO from official documentation and blog posts.
  • What is the Text Blocks (or Multiline Strings) feature in Java?:
    • Same as above, not a practical problem. How would any of things listed in the question be useful to know? Even if I know that it might help somewhere, that's not useful: even if it does help somewhere, is it really the best/the only solution in all scenarios? Without that additional info, such information is utterly worthless when I have a problem to solve.
      • Likewise, to be on topic, that "question" needs to be turned around and ask about a realistic problem arising from that new feature, not the feature itself. And an answer would contain all practical options, not necessarily just this feature, if some other options are practical as well.
    • As akuzminych also noted, it contains multiple concerns as formulated -- which is closeable as "too broad".
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    "They need to be asked (and answered) differently, with a practical programming problem as a base point, to become on-topic." -- I'm sorry, this really irritates me. I've asked several questions that are extremely practical but some have been closed due to being very specific to a problem that I have faced as a programmer but which may not be relevant to many other programmers in the future. The only rationale for closing (rather than letting such questions die of obscurity) is that StackOverflow is supposed to be more of a curated content. But these questions are "engineered" to be useful..
    – Jason S
    Commented Jan 26, 2021 at 5:17
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    ... and now the argument is that they need to be somehow "practical" ??? What gives anyone the right to determine whether they are practical or not? I would argue that "practicalness" merely derives from being able to reuse or get value from such a question -- it's how StackOverflow started back in 2008-2009. People read the questions, feel they've learned something useful, and upvote. Or they are searching for something on the same topic and the question and/or answer provides value to them: upvote. This philosophical debate on "it doesn't belong on StackOverflow" is eltist and unfair.
    – Jason S
    Commented Jan 26, 2021 at 5:20
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    Describing a new feature of a language is on-topic. Just because there might be a better answer outside of Stack Overflow does not make it off-topic for Stack Overflow.
    – Flimm
    Commented Jan 26, 2021 at 9:25
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    I feel that "practical" is somewhat misleading and loaded. "Would someone looking for the answer ask that question?" seems more like it. For example, someone wondering why NPE suddenly looks differently would likely not search with the name specifically invented for the JEP – if they know the name, they already have all the information needed. Commented Jan 26, 2021 at 10:04
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    Folks, stop inventing new, creative close reasons. It’s extremely counter-productive. Commented Jan 26, 2021 at 10:40
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    I definitely agree with @JasonS: the "practicality" of question or answer should be counted on votes. I feel that many people are just too trigger-happy with the close voting. I'm afraid that it might be because close voting doesn't hit your repution the same way as down voting. They really just don't like the question and they vote closing instead of down voting. Commented Jun 22, 2021 at 9:52
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    @MikkoRantalainen downvoting on questions is free, too. Commented Jun 22, 2021 at 10:03
  • Oh, I remembered it incorrectly that downvoting questions would hurt your reputation, too. Here's the reasoning for "no reputation loss for downvoting questions": stackoverflow.blog/2011/06/13/optimizing-for-pearls-not-sand – that said, maybe other people remember this rule incorrectly, too? Commented Jun 22, 2021 at 10:10
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    Believe it or not, many people close vote questions because they feel the chosen close vote reason applies. Commented Jun 22, 2021 at 10:19
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I was one of the original close voters on this one and I voted that way due to it being excessively opinion-based as written. Terms like "helpful" and "more usable" are rather subjective, given that the question isn't specific as to what these terms mean in that context.

According to the Help Center's Don't Ask page,

You should only ask practical, answerable questions based on actual problems that you face. Chatty, open-ended questions diminish the usefulness of our site and push other questions off the front page.

As written, this is a "chatty, open-ended question."

On the other hand, the way that it's described in the documentation that the question itself links to is not subjective - it's quite specific as to what the benefit of the change is:

If the option is set, on encountering a null pointer, the JVM analyzes the program to determine which reference was null and then provides the details as part of NullPointerException.getMessage(). In addition to the exception message, the method, filename, and line number are also returned.

This also seems to significantly diminish the value of the Q&A, given that this information is already clearly spelled out in the linked documentation - it answers the question even before reading the answer.

I can't comment on the reason that people are voting the way that they are on the other ones, since I didn't vote on them.

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    It seems as if the initial version of the question does not actually link to the documentation. Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 13:30
  • @MisterMiyagi I added the link to the question as a way to improve it. Surely asking about a subject involves googling it and linking to it, especially if there is official documentation available. I didn't really check how much that would influence any answers. Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 22:38
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    The text blocks question is especially chatty. The answer seems designed to take up a lot of space; the second half of it is pointlessly specific uses of String, which can all be replaced with “it’s a String and behaves just like any other String.” All of these questions feel like mkyong regurgitation blogs.
    – VGR
    Commented Jan 26, 2021 at 10:05
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    @Trilarion Just wanted to note the timeline. As this answer says "I was one of the original close voters" and "given that this information is already clearly spelled out in the linked documentation" it might seem as if the target already included the link when it was closed. Commented Jan 26, 2021 at 10:08
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    Seeing how even my non-Java search profile immediately turns up the link when dumping the question details in a search engine, I agree though that the question as such answers itself with even the tiniest bit of effort. Commented Jan 26, 2021 at 10:09
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    “Terms like "helpful" and "more usable" are rather subjective” — No they are not, that’s ridiculous. Maybe in other contexts they can be but in the context we’re discussing here you can’t really argue in good faith that the new feature isn’t helpful or improves usability. Commented Jan 26, 2021 at 10:37
  • @KonradRudolph If all new features of a programming language are helpful, we would never need to say it and could remove these parts from any statements because they would go without saying. In this case here I see potential to shorten the questions further. Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 5:47
  • @Trilarion Sure, I could potentially agree to that but that’s not the claim I’m responding to. On the other hand, while I’m a huge fan of terseness (and so I’d tend to agree) there’s also value in making text read more fluently, and this is occasionally aided by such fillers. How to do this well is both an art and a science, and I wouldn’t want to claim that a particular style is definitely wrong. If you oppose fluff in writing, let’s first ban “So,” as a sentence opener from Stack Overflow. This Silicon Valley-ism is everywhere and it’s incredibly bad style. Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 8:48
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If people that wrote the question do not pick an answer, although there are matching answers, I did tend to downvote the question.

Even there is some rule that people can't pick their own answer for a certain time (some days?), I probably don't care and still downvote :D

Guess I'm not the only one ...

of course I'll change from now on, but there are simply a ton of other people using the platform that never go on meta.

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    With "picking an answer" you mean "accepting an answer"? If so, what you do is wrong as long as the OP has no obligation to accept an answer. Moreover it can happen that no answer is suitable for the OP although upvoted many times. The non-accepted answer is not a problem. The lack of feedback from the OP to the existing answers is.
    – Nikolas
    Commented Jan 26, 2021 at 16:00
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    Please don't do this. OP is under no obligation to accept an answer. It's a 100% voluntary process, based solely on the OP's preferences alone. This is largely why accepts aren't worth more than 2 upvotes, and why the community gets to vote freely regardless of accepts- they simply serve a separate purpose. Vote on questions based on their merit, their clarity, their usefulness; do not vote down questions because OP didn't accept.
    – zcoop98
    Commented Jan 26, 2021 at 16:22
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    You only cast 22 downvotes so far. So I guess you are only downvoting using this weird and incorrect criteria?
    – yivi
    Commented Jan 26, 2021 at 16:53
  • Just saying, not everyone is on meta reading all these discussions. So why wouldn't other people use the same logic? only tried to give people a different perspective, since the question was why, and there seemed no obvious reason :)
    – SwissCoder
    Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 9:00
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    Well, now that you are on Meta reading this discussion: Please don't do this anymore! Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 9:59

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