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To each his own, but there are users for whom "hats" adds no relevant value to this site. On the other hand opting out takes an iota of useful time and attention from them annually.

The costs of participation, however small, ought to be taxed to those who wish to play the game — not to those who'd rather not.


@CodyGray raised:

You provide no reason why your time or attention is more valuable than anyone else's.

That's because I don't claim it's more valuable, only equally valuable.

  • A person who clicks twice to opt-in is voluntarily giving time in pursuit of something they value.

  • A person who clicks twice to opt-out is put in a position where they must give equally valuable time to avoid something they never asked for and do not want.

The first is clearly the more fair outcome.

Because you're grouchy? Have a Grinch hat:

I wasn't grouchy, but now I'm slightly sad that you felt the need to resort to ad hominem over an evidently unpopular but straight forward feature request.

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  • "ought to be taxed to those who wish to play the game — not to those who'd rather not." - Why? Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 4:59
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    Do you mean the two clicks you need to do is taking an "iota of useful time"? :O
    – Scratte
    Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 5:05
  • Why not waste the time of people who come to an attention-economy driven site mainly to save time? In my view the answer is self-evident. For those for whom it's not, this request is here for anyone to discuss, support or oppose. Have hat it. Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 5:11
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    I suppose what I do not understand is how do the hats take any time away from you? It's not like they're hindering your search for posts, hindering you posting anything nor hindering any other action that you can do here. The hats doesn't even require you to dismiss anything. It's just sitting in the corner with a number on it.
    – Scratte
    Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 5:25
  • @Scrattle Yep I do indeed mean that switching to opt-in eliminates (at least) two clicks of noise. Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 5:25
  • @Scrattle Hats evidently take enough away from enough users that there is an option to not participate. Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 5:28
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    How would you know to be able to opt in when the feature becomes available without some sort of banner that would take just as much time, if not more, to review and dismiss? I'm not a big hat fan but this just sounds like sour grapes
    – charlietfl
    Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 5:32
  • Today I see a snowflake icon, ignoring it takes much less attention than "oh that thing of no interest to me is back, time to opt-out to avoid an even greater stream of irrelevant (to me at least) distractions." Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 5:37
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    You can't honestly believe that most people would notice the snowflake icon immediately without some sort of visual prompt in the form of a notification message
    – charlietfl
    Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 5:38
  • I think it's relatively unimportant that everyone notice it, compared to the main purpose of of the site which is to ask questions about programming and find answers. Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 5:41
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    How many mouse clicks, and how much useful time did you spend posting this question? Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 5:43
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    There is no hats for actual users of the site - the ones who don't have an account and visit the site from search engines. So you opted in to default site's behavior by signing in - disabling hats is customization similar to dark/light theme or left nav bar. Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 8:30
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    I suppose I should not be surprised that someone who finds hats to be this irritating would also not appreciate my attempt at humor. I hope you find some cheer in something this holiday season. Everyone deserves it, especially after this year.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 8:42
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    @CodyGray I hope you don't imagine that because I don't find cheer in the same things as you that I'm cheerless. I'm not sure how irritating you think I find hats, but I'm fairly sure you're over estimating it. I find "hats" irritating enough to click twice to opt out year after year, which is to say mildly. If there was an SO game I was enthusiastic about, but a minority had to opt out I'd be making the same suggestion. Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 8:55
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    I dislike this hat thing, but I also do not want to make the christmas of others worser, who maybe like them. So I have simply chosen to not use them. But I am silent about hat topics. I suggest the same to you.
    – peterh
    Commented Dec 22, 2020 at 15:34

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This strikes me as silly and petty.

The majority of users enjoy having fun at the end of the year with hats. We give you the option to opt out if you so choose, and we don't judge you for it. But we intentionally enable it by default because we think it's fun and most of our users will like it. The developers didn't go through the effort of building this and fixing all the bugs, just to have it default to being turned off.

You say:

…opting out takes an iota of useful time and attention from me and each of the like minded annually.

I read this as selfish. Opting in would take an iota of useful time and attention away from the majority of users who like hats and want to have fun. You provide no reason why your time or attention is more valuable than anyone else's. Because you're grouchy? Have a Grinch hat:

Oh wait, you don't like hats.

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  • As I said, to each their own. I wasn't aware that a majority of users actively participate in hats, rather than just forego opting out. Nevertheless a majority imposing a cost for their own "fun" on a minority who prefer utility isn't necessarily a position everyone on a programming Q&A site would hasten to subscribe to. I regret that you are put off by my differing view. Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 6:01
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    I wouldn't mind if you do judge me for my preferences, but I'd note that your allusion to the grinch and the fact that you're concerned with my presumed attitude rather than my statements suggest "we don't judge you for it" may not mean what you think it means. As for the effort, I'm sure those who wanted it appreciate it greatly. I stand by my request, which is something I'd appreciate greatly. Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 6:04
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    It strikes me as overwhelmingly selfish. I'm not sure how you don't see that. How do you feel about Google Doodles? Are those annoying to you, too? Should they be explicitly opt-in? April Fool's Day pranks? Desktop wallpaper?
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 6:04
  • Selfish? On the contrary, I doubt I'm alone in disliking the distraction. Why else was the effort put into implementing opt-out, if not in recognition of the very issue I'm raising. I get nothing out of it and am asked to pay for the majority who do. If the majority who value it were opting in they would be getting something out of the two-clicks. And again, it's not that I think the cost is huge. An iota is something extremely small. Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 6:14
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    Google Doodles used to annoy me. I scripted them out so now they don't. I neither pull nor appreciate April Fool's Day pranks. I rather enjoy desktop wallpaper, to that I opt in. Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 6:17
  • But I wouldn't, for example, ship a product with an irrelevant wallpaper just for fun and expect my users to change it to something on point, even if a majority of my customers wouldn't mind. Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 6:31
  • "This strikes me as...petty". In a user experience, small aggravations are additive. @CodyGray. Commented Dec 21, 2020 at 14:36
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    I totally agree with disapproving of April Fool's Day; I was crushed when I learned Gmail Paper was a scam. Commented Dec 22, 2020 at 16:46

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