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Long story short, I spent about 6 hours interviewing for a company between tech interviews and interviews with the team and the executive staff and it was a waste of time for everyone involved.

Everything had gone great so far in the interview process. It came down to the final interview with the President of the company. Right at the end of the conversation the President said "so hopefully this has been mentioned already, but this position will be contract-to-hire" and gave me their reasoning for that.

Without delving into my reasoning, simply put I am not willing to accept a contract-to-hire position.

Hindsight is 20/20 and I should have asked if it was a full-time direct hire position early on, but I assumed that since the Stack Overflow jobs posting said that it was "full-time" that it was indeed a full-time direct hire position not full-time contract-to-hire.

I not only wasted 6 hours of my time, but also a lot more than 6 hours of time at the company I interviewed at since every interview had a minimum of three people there. After I was told that it was contract-to-hire I basically said sorry for wasting everyone's time and went my separate way.

Here are the options I can filter by on Stack Overflow jobs. I would propose to add a "contract-to-hire" option or some way to distinguish between direct hire jobs and those which are not.

Job Type currently only lists full time, contract, and internship as options.

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    Type should be Permanent/Contract/Internship/Volunteer. Then there should be another separate filter for Full-time/Part-time/Casual
    – Samuel Liew Mod
    Oct 10, 2020 at 13:38
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    Frankly, this is a huge screwup on the employer's part, not yours. The HR person should have asked this in the initial screen. More options/clarity on SO would be helpful, but whoever posted the job still may/would have gotten it wrong. And I'm not sure the contract vs full-time distinction is as relevant outside the US.
    – Jason
    Oct 10, 2020 at 15:13
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    That sounds like borderline bait and switch on the part of the employer, honestly, though maybe they didn't intend it and it was an honest miscommunication (it's hard to tell sometimes, and I have seen companies try and attach strings at the last minute when they know you're pretty much committed); I'd consider that behavior a little suspicious. Even if it's not possible to filter on that, they should have put it somewhere in the job ad. I'm pretty sure SO jobs lets them type freeform text.
    – jrh
    Oct 10, 2020 at 15:23
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    @SamuelLiew: "Contract to Hire" sounds like a reasonable option to have. It is more or less an "industry-standard" term; everyone recognizes it, and it's used all the time in recruiter emails. Oct 10, 2020 at 16:26
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    Mind you, I have no idea how "contract to hire" works, since I've never responded to any such job openings. I've always assumed that it's a lengthy probation period, often accompanied by a relocation if it works out. Is "must be willing to relocate" one of the options? Oct 10, 2020 at 16:27
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    I think "Full-time" is an incorrect term as used on this page. "Full-time" says to me how much I'll be working each day, and how many days (8ish and 5, respectively). "Contract", "Internship" or "SALARY" tells me how I'll be paid and what I'm being promised besides. I don't see "Full-time" turning out to be a contract or contract-to-hire being misleading. I agree that if it took the final interview for the candidate to learn the full nature of the hire, that's very suspicious. Anyway, my short answer here is that the quick fix I'd suggest is change "Full-time" to "Salary".
    – CryptoFool
    Oct 10, 2020 at 21:37
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    The specific wording 'contract to hire' is US centric I believe. Certainly in Australia just 'contract' is used for fixed term jobs, usually with an hourly or daily rate.
    – tgdavies
    Oct 11, 2020 at 5:46
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    @Steve You can be a full-time employee and still be hourly. (Not as common for tech jobs but it happens.) Also, there's paid and unpaid internships so that term by itself doesn't tell you anything about pay.
    – BSMP
    Oct 11, 2020 at 8:29
  • @BSMP - Neither of your statements is incompatible with what I said. In fact, the first, about full-time, is pretty much what I said. I said that all full-time conveys is how much you'll be working, NOT how you'll be paid. A paid vs unpaid internship also doesn't address how you'll be paid, but how much. Of course, if you're paid zero, who's "paying" that becomes somewhat irrelevant.
    – CryptoFool
    Oct 11, 2020 at 14:25
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    I had a similar experience. They were SHOCKED when I wanted contractor rates for the contract side of the contract-to-hire. Oct 11, 2020 at 14:32
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    @RobertHarvey I wouldn't quite put it that way, because normally people think of "probationary period" as a time when just the employer is making the decision. Contract-to-hire is definitely much more a two-way street, where both parties are free to back out at any time. Oct 11, 2020 at 15:43
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    @JamesMoore: In an "employment at will" state (like California, Texas and many others), those conditions already exist anyway. If anything, contract work is more binding on both parties, not less. But I do agree with others that the term "contract to hire" is probably US-centric. Oct 11, 2020 at 18:01
  • @Steve I'm not understanding your suggestion to change full-time to salary in the options as a quick fix.
    – BSMP
    Oct 11, 2020 at 18:51
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    No amount of hand-wringing and semantics wrestling matters if the job poster mis-tags the job; I ignore all of the flags set on job listings, with the assumption the job poster and/or job site hasn't provided an accurate set of tags, I then ask explicitly on the first contact the type of job, eg, 'is this a contract and if so can it be filled on a corp-to-corp contract basis', etc.; for the OP I'd mark this up as a (hard) lesson learned and in the future make sure these kinds of details are verified during the initial contact
    – markp-fuso
    Oct 11, 2020 at 20:36
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    Complete bait and switch. They may not even have that position open as such but may be trying out candidates. I have seen this in startups also, where they are going to be bought and they have to have X number of A list candidates to show to the board. Also, I am seeing too many fake recruiter profiles on LinkedIn, with the job market tumbling, we might see more of this.
    – Snowcat
    Oct 11, 2020 at 20:57

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Note: The answer below is US-centric (most employment is at-will, meaning jobs that aren't time-limited don't normally have employment contracts) and assumed OP was in the US looking for a position in the US.


Taking a quick look at LinkedIn, Indeed, and Dice, they all have the following options for Job Type:

  • Full-time
  • Part-time
  • Contract

and then depending on which site you're on, you'll also see Internship, Volunteer, Temporary, etc.

The implication is that both Full-time and Part-time jobs are permanent positions. This makes sense, since it isn't necessarily solely up to the employer whether a contractor works full-time or not.

Given the options on other job sites, I'd argue that this is entirely the employer's fault. I don't think it's reasonable to label a job that's definitely a contract position but will only maybe become permanent full-time as a full-time job. (This isn't to assume it was malicious but I don't think any blame belongs to the OP or SO.)

All that said, I think it could be useful for contract-to-hire to be its own job type option because this problem can also happen the other way: someone who's only looking to work on a contract basis going through an interview only to find out later that the company assumes that whoever gets the position will become full-time after the contract period.

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    Surely permanent positions normally have contracts too, and full-time positions can be time-limited (example full time 2 year project)? The options "full-time / part-time" and "permanent / fixed-term" would seem orthogonal. Perhaps fixed term are unusual in US businesses because anyone can be fired at will anyway?
    – gerrit
    Oct 12, 2020 at 9:14
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    Surely permanent positions normally have contracts too... @gerrit OK, I've spent enough time on The Workplace to have not made this mistake but I did it anyway. But yes, this answer is US-centric, where any time-limited position would be considered a contract job. Permanent positions don't normally have employment contracts in the US because most jobs are at-will.
    – BSMP
    Oct 12, 2020 at 17:14
  • @gerrit The terms are arbitrary and don't have much of a connection to their plain-language meaning any more. Yes, every single job is going to have a contract, so you're right to think it's weird that there's a distinction between "contract" and "full-time". And I don't think anyone in the US ever uses the term "fixed-term." You'd just say "six month contract", which actually means something that can last up to six months, but is trivial for anyone to shorten (easy for either side) or lengthen (given agreement on both sides). Oct 12, 2020 at 17:57

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