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I am talking about this closed question.

While the question doesn't show research effort, nor attempts, it's quite canonical (short, clear, and with an image). I doubt adding some attempts will improve it. They would improve it before the answer was given.

Should it be re-opened?

And I have thoughts about thousands of other questions with attempts: shouldn't the questions be edited afterwards (after they got an answer) to remove attempts and to make them more canonical: more useful for closing duplicates, for future readers, etc.?

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Yes, that question is fine, save for some superficial edits. There is no reason for it to have been closed. The problem was clear and well-defined, aside from the fact that it received a good answer and is now an even more useful resource.

It has now been re-opened.

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    The problem is what such question asked today would be downvoted ("Please google first") and closed ("Please show what you have tried").
    – Sinatr
    Commented Jul 27, 2020 at 10:01
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    There's no reason anyone needs to see what the asker has tried. It obviously didn't work, or they wouldn't be asking the question. Resist the temptation to turn this into a "debug my code" for me website. While they are also on-topic, those types of questions are the least interesting and the least generally-useful of all.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jul 27, 2020 at 10:03
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    Your approach is totally different to what I observe and learn. Attempt is almost a must. Asking very clear question with just screenshot will immediately generate downvotes and comments: "SO is not code-writing service", "What have you tried", etc. An attempt is actually a good thing, it helps to answer and it could provide missing details by itself e.g. show expertise level. The answer can become more broad to "teach OP" if has multiple mistakes in attempt. But after correct (accepted? good?) answer is posted, the attempt is rather to be removed, to make question shorter and easier.
    – Sinatr
    Commented Jul 27, 2020 at 10:13
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    Stack Overflow isn't a help desk. We aren't teachers. When you see snarky comments like "What have you tried?" and "SO is not code writing service", please flag them.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jul 27, 2020 at 10:17
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    @Sinatr the confusion comes from the "write this very large project for me with these 5 requirements" is completely off-topic. But some users have turned that into some sort of requirement of showing visible "effort". If you haven't seen it, Shog9 had a really good summary of the problem. Lots of linked questions and answers here so drill down through all of them: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/388588/… Commented Jul 27, 2020 at 11:52
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    Note that the advice that it is not necessary to show research or attempts is contrary to that expressed in How to Ask, under both the heading "Introduce the problem before you post any code" ("Explain how you encountered the problem you're trying to solve, and any difficulties that have prevented you from solving it yourself.") and "Help others reproduce the problem" ("...if your problem is with code you've written, you should include some") Commented Jul 27, 2020 at 11:55
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    @HereticMonkey for people troubleshooting bugs or errors, that's exactly right. But if you don't have code because you don't know how to do this 1 small task, then there is no code to post and you don't need to help other reproduce your problem. for "Help others understand your problem, you left out the first sentence... "Not all questions benefit from including code..." Commented Jul 27, 2020 at 11:59
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    @psubsee2003 That takes care of the second quote. The first quote, not so much. I see no reason why the OP of that question could not have included "any difficulties that have prevented [them] from solving it [themselves]." Basically, Stack Overflow is becoming a place where you can get your coding done for free. No need to research. No need to attempt. No need to think. Just ask, get answer, copy-paste. I think we're doing a disservice to our industry. Also, I didn't leave it out, it is inherently included with "if your problem is with code you've written," Commented Jul 27, 2020 at 12:18
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    @HereticMonkey If there is no research effort or attempt, there is a big chance that the question is unclear, too broad or a duplicate. All of which can be closed. But if the question is clear, appropriately scoped and has not been asked before, why does it matter? It could very well help others in the future, which is what we're all about. Who would benefit form a failed attempt? Definitely not those 15k people who have viewed the question. It would only add additional fluff you need to search through.
    – Ivar
    Commented Jul 27, 2020 at 12:43
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    @HereticMonkey if you are able to boil your question down to a very reasonably scoped problem, then you have done your research. The user at that point knows (1) that it isn't a duplicate, and (2) they don't know how to solve this small problem. Questions like the one referenced here are infinitely more valuable and searchable than 45 variations of "what's wrong with my code" that include all of the necessary code. The latter is what is turning SO into a help desk. the former is more consistent with the original vision of the site. Commented Jul 27, 2020 at 12:45
  • This answer doesn't answer the general question though. If a poor question has a excellent answer, should it be reopened as the answer itself adds huge value to the site?
    – TheMaster
    Commented Jul 27, 2020 at 15:18
  • @TheMaster If a question is bad it should be closed. If the answer is excellent then the Q&A should not be deleted after the closure.
    – ivarni
    Commented Jul 27, 2020 at 15:32
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    Answers are what ultimately matter here. If there's a good answer, fix any egregious problems with the question and give thanks for the answer, @TheMaster
    – Shog9
    Commented Jul 27, 2020 at 18:53
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    @TheMaster Have you seen the canonical blog post? I'm sure Shog9 has written something like this a half-dozen or more times, but I don't have an encyclopedic memory of his answers. Maybe he does?
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jul 28, 2020 at 3:54
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    Here are two for you, @TheMaster: 1 and 2
    – Shog9
    Commented Jul 28, 2020 at 18:23

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