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How do you word a question that is asking for possible solutions or tools so that it is not immediately closed by observant curators?

My question (How to verify external symbols in an .h file to the .c file?) was closed in about 1 minute on the reason that it asked for recommendations. It did not.

How can we support the development community if all questions about what tools there are to solve a problem, is closed as "asking for recommendation". Isn't the question "is there such a tool" answerable with facts?

I propose a change in the interpretation, and culture in SO, so that only questions containing words like "best", "better", "recommended" and so on are possible to close referring to "no recommendations".

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Is there some tool or script that can help [...]

That's asking for recommendations for external tools or resources. That you do not expect the answers to be written like "This is the the best tool for this task, which I recommend", does not make it less of a recommendation request.

To those who voted to closed this: I'm not looking for recommendations, only a list of possible solutions. Possible solutions are facts, right?!? Gaaah!

The "list of possible solutions" is a list of "recommended solutions". You want a list of external resources or tools.

I'm afraid the site is ill suited for this kind of question, and I believe it was correctly closed.

The fact that you are not asking for "the best tool" for this purpose does not make a difference.

The question could be rewritten to ask "how to perform this task", instead of "are there tools or scripts to perform this task", in which case it would be sensibly better. If it would be worth reopening the question or not in that case I leave up to subject matter experts.

Note: Since I posted this rene offered an edit on your original question which might be enough to reopen it. There is already a reopen vote as I write.

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    I gave that question an edit, invalidating some of your points, sorry about that.
    – rene
    Commented Mar 3, 2020 at 10:39
  • @rene I like that edit. I wanted to write yivi that I agree with him, but I also think that this question can be resurrected by removing those lines to make it on-topic. It also don't look too broad for me.
    – Tom
    Commented Mar 3, 2020 at 10:41
  • Thanks for the edit @rene, I'll take a look. I don't think it would invalidate my points, since I addressed the revision the OP was asking about. Still, I also added a bit about the possibility of editing the question into shape. Maybe your edit took the question in that direction.
    – yivi
    Commented Mar 3, 2020 at 10:41
  • @rene Indeed, your edit seems to be in line with my closing paragraph. So I guess it's all good in the end.
    – yivi
    Commented Mar 3, 2020 at 10:43
  • Thank you for addressing this, but I don't agree that "how to perform this task" as opposed to "are there tools or scripts to perform this task" is "sensibly better". To me it is just a play with words. If those nuances in wording are required to get past the "guards of close voting" I think we have a worse problem than questions that might spark some discussions (which questions are actually answerable with "facts"?)
    – thoni56
    Commented Mar 3, 2020 at 10:49
  • Is there another StackExchange that doesn't have this culture of closing anything that can be seen as "recommendations" where I could put this question and not getting it closed? Software Engineering perhaps?
    – thoni56
    Commented Mar 3, 2020 at 10:51
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    Software Recs maybe?
    – BDL
    Commented Mar 3, 2020 at 11:01
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The message from the vote-to-close window says "recommendations", but the help center expands on this (emphasis mine):

Questions asking us to recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource are off-topic for Stack Overflow as they tend to attract opinionated answers and spam. Instead, describe the problem and what has been done so far to solve it.

That is, even if the question is only asking for external resources without an expression of opinion, the question is still off-topic because it would "tend to attract opinionated answers" even if opinions are not explicitly solicited.

So you can ask questions which could be answered by "tool X solves your problem"; but the question should be about the problem, not your need for a tool to solve it.

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  • Again, I think this is just splitting hairs. There is as much risk of opinionated answers to "how can I solve X?" as there is to "is there a tool to solve X?". I strongly feel that this interpretation severely limits what questions are on-topic for "professional and enthusiast programmers". Few questions in the domain of programming will be hard facts.
    – thoni56
    Commented Mar 3, 2020 at 15:16
  • If SO really want to have "detailed answers to every question about programming" there has to be some lenience with the interpretation of what is likely to attract opinionated answers and spam, instead of a litteral interpretation of the rules. (the quotes are from the main page for SO, stackoverflow.com/tour)
    – thoni56
    Commented Mar 3, 2020 at 15:16
  • I'm not saying we should encourage writing questions that are focused on the problem. But just closing anything that is not, is not a good way to great citizens of the community.
    – thoni56
    Commented Mar 3, 2020 at 15:18
  • There is lenience about what is interpreted as opinion; see under "some subjective questions are allowed" here, and this SO blog post.
    – kaya3
    Commented Mar 3, 2020 at 15:41
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    Thanks, those pointers actually say much of what I mean. So I'll just have to write off this occurance to folks following the letter and not the actual intent. Anyways the question got re-opened again, so ...
    – thoni56
    Commented Mar 3, 2020 at 15:48

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