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I flagged this answer as Not an answer. I understand

  1. A Wrong answer is also an answer.

Op asked about Bootstrap carousel and had trouble sliding images. And the answer is:

You can learn Bootstap Carousel

My flag is declined. Why?

enter image description here

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    When you have a C# problem, then answering with "You can learn C#" is not an acceptable answer in my opinion. That's almost the same as stating: "Have you googled the problem" or "RTFM". This answers are especially wrong when the question itself is already off-topic. It's at best a comment, but even that leaves a bad taste.
    – BDL
    Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 12:38
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    So all C# question have answer You can learn C# , All SQL question have a answer You can learn database.
    – 4b0
    Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 12:39
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    As always, the way to ensure a user that gives bad answers is no longer able to give bad answers is to downvote bad answers. Deleting zero-scored answers doesn't keep anyone giving bad answers from giving more answers.
    – George Stocker Mod
    Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 12:43
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    @GeorgeStocker No doubt, but this isn't an answer. Maybe if the question was "what technology I should learn next", but it isn't. In fact, even as a comment it's condescending and not nice. Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 12:45
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    @GeorgeStocker "removal of x can't prevent further cases of x" never was and should never be an argument against removal of x. Otherwise there'd be no point to the NAA flag. Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 12:48
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    @GeorgeStocker why do you think it is an answer? Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 12:48
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    Pretty sure that both downvotes and deletion counts towards the answer ban; it's usually a good idea to downvote things that will get deleted regardless for that reason. It ensures that prolific users posting non-answers will very quickly not be able to do that anymore. I agree it's not an answer.
    – fbueckert
    Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 13:08
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    @JohnDvorak Ok, I'll bite. At the revision I was comparing the question to the answer, it looked like this: stackoverflow.com/revisions/58095976/2 Scanning the question the OP wanted to have a carousel effect, but it wasn't already clear they were using Bootstrap Carousel. The answer being to the effect of "you can use bootstrap carousel", that's an answer to the horrible state of the question. After I declined the flag, I edited the question and found ( to my surprise) that they were already using the bootstrap carousel.
    – George Stocker Mod
    Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 13:09
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    Why do we delete answer posts like "akslhlsakhaflasd" (so just containing rubbish)? That doesn't seem to prevent that users to keep posting such answers, since only downvoting and keeping the answer seems to do that properly.
    – Tom
    Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 13:10
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    @fbueckert I do know that deleted content counts against you if it did before deletion, but I don't think that the deletion itself contributes. Still an argument for downvoting. Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 13:10
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    @GeorgeStocker ah, that makes sense. Thanks. Feel free to post this as an answer, I think it'll be well received. Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 13:16
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    Look a code before mod edit. First line first comment "Instantinate the bootstrap carousel"
    – 4b0
    Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 13:20
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    Frankly I would have flagged that answer as rude/abusive, because it is.
    – TylerH
    Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 14:59
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    @Tyler, George would have declined that as well, obviously. I'm a bit surprised he didn't undelete by now.
    – yivi
    Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 15:05
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    @GeorgeStocker Thanks for clarifying. Since that info was present in the version of the question you saw when handling the flag (as the first line in the post, no less) it's safe to say this was an incorrectly handled flag.
    – TylerH
    Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 16:36

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The answer should have been deleted (and has been deleted by the LQP review queue). It should not be acceptable to answer any question about a library or language with "You can learn library/language".

It's in the same category as leaving "You can google the problem" or "RTFM" as answer and does not add any value to SO. Basically, any question can be answered by such an "answer" even if the answerer has no clue what the problem is. And it will also not help anyone with the same problem who finds the question.

If the question would be about how to achieve a specific goal that can be achieved by using X (or to the extremely offtopic question "Which library should I learn about to do X"), then "You might want to use/learn about X" might be a (still terrible) answer. But here, op already states that he uses that control and has a specific problem with it.

Even when left as a comment, I would argue that a "You can learn X" comment would be condescending and should be flagged.

As @George Stocker states, it is a good idea to downvote the answer in addition to flagging it, but this is still no reason to decline the NAA flag.

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    Minor nitpick: "you can learn X" would be a valid answer to the (extremely offtopic) question "what should I learn". Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 13:00
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At the revision I was comparing the question to the answer, it looked like this:

enter image description here

Scanning the question the OP wanted to have a carousel effect, but it wasn't already clear they were using Bootstrap Carousel.

The answer being to the effect of "you can use bootstrap carousel", that's an answer given the horrible state of the question. After I declined the flag, I edited the question and found ( to my surprise) that they were already using the bootstrap carousel.

Downvoting these sorts of answers helps ensure people who give them are answer-banned if they do it too many times.

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    The first line reads "Instantiate the Bootstrap carousel"... I can understand that you don't have a lot of time to read the posts for each flag but that is a weak justification.
    – l4mpi
    Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 13:22
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    @l4mpi Anyone can make a mistake. No justification needed but "I didn't see it". Getting it wrong handling a flag now and then it's no biggie.
    – yivi
    Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 13:23
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    @l4mpi code blindness to what's written in a code like this can happen to anyone, even if it's the first line. It's an important defense mechanism. Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 13:23
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    What I do not like about this answer, is that the advice on the bottom seems to weakly imply that flagging this answer was the wrong move... Voting and flagging do not conflict with each other, right? But maybe I'm misreading it. Could you please make it clear in the answer if you think you handled the flag wrongly, or if the flag was incorrectly raised?
    – yivi
    Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 13:27
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    Another point in case: George argued 50 minutes ago that this is indeed an answer, but his edit of the question (where he, as stated here, found out that OP was using bootstrap carousel) was more than 2 hours ago. So to me it feels like an attempt to retcon his flag handling decision, as the statements used to justify it don't match. Not that it matters much as thankfully the answer was deleted by the community, and I don't think anybody would grill him for saying something like "I misjudged the post due to too less time"
    – l4mpi
    Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 13:34
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    I'm very sorry to insist, @George, but could you please address my comment? Having clear moderation expectations is very important, and I feel I your answer doesn't really address the key issue here: was the flag raised correctly, or incorrectly?
    – yivi
    Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 13:40
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    I'm feeling in an extremely literal mindset today: Is what you would do in this case the general moderator stance, and therefore an answer to whether it should've been declined or not? Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 13:51
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    @GeorgeStocker That's not the question. Please, come out and say it plainly (and better if it's in the answer than here, comments being not for extended discussion after all): Do you stand by the rejection and think the flag was improperly raised, or think it was OK to raise it but missed some context when handling it? Thanks
    – yivi
    Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 13:52
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    @GeorgeStocker When you came back to meta you seemed pretty intent on moderating comments to no end. Now trying to use comments to elicit a clarification in one of your posts seems to be a futile task. This is rather weak, in general, and particularly coming from a moderator IMO.
    – yivi
    Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 14:07
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    "try"? That doesn't sound reassuring Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 14:09
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    I'm not talking about you "moderating" these comments, thank you. I'm talking about you coming back on comments instead of addressing the repeated requests for clarification.
    – yivi
    Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 14:10
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    Why or how would I edit your answer, if I do not know what you think? It would be improper. I am not going to put words in your mouth. Is that what you suggest? What would be the sense of that? I really do not understand this. You just flat out rejecting to clarify a very simple question and this kind of confusing response it's borderline disrespectful. I'm not sure what are your goals here, nor what you expect from users here. We have no recourse but to ask, and you are simply going to ignore questions just because?
    – yivi
    Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 14:14
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    @GeorgeStocker Look, I get that all moderators have their own style and all that, and mostly everyone knows mods make mistakes from time to time. You haven't directly addressed that, nor have you directly addressed everything else. All you need to reply is "yes" or "no". You said you check by context - so append "in this case" somewhere. We don't know what you intended, nor will we if you don't just come out and say it. I have a feeling posts like these will keep happening otherwise. We've already got enough borked communication - let's not make it worse. Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 14:23
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    @Zoe I hadn't seen Shree's comment, but the the comment I quoted could be addressed to either of us, since it talks about the same thing and the same original point of contention. No, George is not going to clarify anything. Personally, I don't think that's an appropriate behaviour for a sitting mod. I find it quite offensive.
    – yivi
    Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 14:24
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    @yivi my last comment is my final try. SE is doing more or less the same thing George is, just on a significantly larger scale. Anyway, if it doesn't help, we'll just have to accept increasing flag declines on valid posts and just move on. There's far too many cases like these to keep continuing like this. At least for me. Commented Sep 25, 2019 at 14:27

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