TL;DR:
- This would apply To META ONLY. This should not have any effect on the main site whatsoever.
- Partial answers are and have always been allowed, though they have historically been discouraged through community voting habits.
- Many post partial answers to meta questions via comments, but that's now discouraged
- An oft-encouraged alternative is to post these partial answers using the Answer box
- Partial answers in the answer box often come across as not well thought out, even when they are Community Wikis, and are therefore downvoted, even if they might have good ideas.
- Instead, we can use a clear visual signal and clear guidance (via a link to this question in the stub template) to foster community participation in editing such posts into shape.
- I'm not proposing a new rule. I'm proposing a cultural shift in how we as a community handle a subset of partial answers, and a commonly agreed upon clear signal with the goal of triggering the alternate response that I'm hoping for to these answers from the community.
This is a really long post, and I'm sorry for that, but I promise that all of it is necessary, and I'm trying to address all of the community's concerns and clarification requests. I really think that those reading this post should read it in its entirety before judging the proposal.
I'm fairly certain most of us have seen this text at some point on Wikipedia:
This article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.
With the primary goal of a frictionless option for partial answers to encourage:
- those with partial answers to post their partial answers using the answer form instead of the comment form, and
- the community to jump in and help flesh out such partial answers instead of downvoting them because they aren't fleshed out
... and a secondary goal of providing a standard avenue for elevating partial answers posted as comments to proper answers and preventing the premature deletion of said comments with this avenue (more on this later in the proposal).
I propose that we introduce a new and very simple format ON META STACK OVERFLOW ONLY specifically for posting partial answers and call them "stubs".
What is a stub?
A stub is a partial answer whose author has willfully forfeit ownership of the answer with the goal of constructive edits by the community and discussion resulting in a clear and fully-fleshed out answer.
- The poster should mark the answer as community wiki, and
- include the following template text at the top of their answer:
> This answer is a [stub](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/388135/this-answer-is-a-stub-a-partial-solution-for-partial-answers-on-meta).
> The author has renounced ownership of this answer. You can help by editing this post.
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Posts following this format are hereinafter (in this question) referred to as "stubs" or a "stub".
Why do we need stubs?
We need this on Meta because people are afraid to post partial answers, and the community generally responds to partial answers with downvotes. We need a clear signal to the community that the poster of an answer knows that it is a partial answer and would like the community's help fleshing it out. They may not be able to do so themselves for any number of reasons.
We need this because posting partial answers as comments is also not ideal. Doing that creates a barrier to further discussion about the partial answer, but may inspire others to create a full answer on the topic so they aren't completely without merit. It becomes problematic when there are many partial answers posted as comments in a single thread, or when those partial answers spark discussions that aren't relevant to the post that the comment thread resides under.
I personally want this because I often have a fear that my partial answers will be downvoted solely because they are partial answers and have not been fleshed out, and they will be judged before they have a chance to be fleshed out. Also because I may not have the whole answer. I may only have a one little part of an answer, but I know that with the right people we could come up with a really good whole answer. Instead I have historically posted my partial answers as comments and have attempted to respond to discussion they may have sparked in the comments, and have been disappointed when those discussions get moved to chat or deleted. This is not a good option, and we need a better, frictionless avenue for this kind of thing.
What should I do when I see a stub?
- If you feel you can expand on, improve, or clarify a stub in any way, while keeping the core idea intact, feel free to edit it.
- If you feel that some part of the stub is unclear or additional information is required, feel free to request clarifications or additional information in the comments. Such clarifications or additional information can come from any member of the community.
- If you think that the information contained within the stub is inaccurate, feel free to edit it for accuracy.
- If you don't think you have anything to add or clarify, that's fine. You don't have to add anything.
- If what you have to say doesn't fit with the core idea of the stub, you should write a new answer, possibly as a stub!
When should the stub template be removed?
Once the answer is well and truly fleshed out (i.e. no longer a stub), the first line of the template text can be removed and the answer will be a normal community wiki answer.
What should I do if I see a partial answer posted as a comment and would like to discuss the idea?
You could politely ask the user to consider elevating their partial answer from the comment section. Something like this:
@user I'd like to discuss your <position/concern/criticism/argument>, but the comment section here isn't suitable for that discussion, and such a discussion would likely be deleted or moved to chat if it were to take place, negating any effort that we put into clarifying or discussing your <position/concern/criticism/argument>. Would you consider elevating your <position/concern/criticism/argument> from the comment section so that it can be discussed? Possibly as a
[stub](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/388135)
?Post a new stub (possibly linking to the original comment in the answer somehow to prevent confusion), then invite the author of the comment to discuss the partial answer under the new stub in a comment replying to the original comment.
How should the original comments be handled?
Once the discussion has been started under the new stub, or it is clear that the author of the comment has been made aware of the new stub, the comment can be flagged as no longer needed. Moderators reviewing such flags should investigate to determine that a stub or other partial answer has been created, and that the author of the original comment has been made aware of the stub. If so, they should delete the original comments.
When should I downvote stubs?
You should still downvote if you fundamentally disagree with the premise of the answer, or think an answer is not useful; however, please refrain from downvoting these answers on the basis that they are partial answers, or are unclear. Instead please comment to request clarification and additional information, or submit an edit to the effect required.
Please leave a comment (preferable over a downvote) on the basis of a perceived lack of research effort, formation effort, or any other kind of effort-lacking-ness if you aren't able yourself to improve the answer with edits. That is going to come with the territory of partial answers. They will inherently be lacking in some way and we need to help polish them into the best possible version they can be.
Won't posters abuse this format to prevent downvotes on their posts?
Users should still downvote bad ideas as they see them, or answers that they don't think are useful. I'm not saying that should change.
Now if posters use this format and simultaneously show that they are not open to edits or constructive discussion, you should feel free to vote as you normally would. As I say later, the voting recommendation isn't a rule to be enforced by anyone, it's just a recommendation that I hope users reading this will heed.
Can you give a couple of examples for which this would be relevant?
There have been multiple examples in the comments here of partial answers that have been elevated to full answers, one of them as a stub (it was never a comment, but it is an example of a stub). The original comments have been removed as they are no longer needed.
There are yet more examples of partial answers posted as comments under this question that haven't yet been elevated to answers. I would like to discuss and clarify these partial answers, and have requested that the authors of those comments elevate their partial answer comments to answers, possibly using the stub format, but I cannot discuss those partial answers or clarify them in the comments because such discussions would inevitably be deleted or moved to chat, therefor wasting any effort I may put in.
Why the boilerplate which most users would not find if it's not in a help topic or coded into the answer editor?
The idea here is that people who read this question will start suggesting to those posting partial answers as comments that this is an option and link here, or start posting stubs on behalf of commenters as I suggest in this proposal.
Aren't you just saying that partial answers are acceptable and people should get used to them?
Partial answers are acceptable, and people should get used to them; however, there is an inherent issue with partial answers and the longstanding rules around post ownership. If it isn't clear that the answer poster knows that it is a partial answer and is open to the community editing it or helping to flesh it out, the community will generally react with downvotes as opposed to constructive discussion and edits to clarify or flesh it out.
This happens regardless of whether an answer is community wiki due to widespread misunderstanding of the feature, and because of that widespread misunderstanding, even if you do understand the purpose of the feature, you can't ever truly be certain if the person posting a community wiki answer understands the purpose. Therefore there is an initial barrier that you must overcome before investing your efforts in such a post. This removes that barrier and goes one step further to say that the author knowingly no longer has any more say in the ultimate formulation of the answer than any other member of the community, blowing that barrier to smithereens.
This is to create a clear signal to the community that edits of all shapes and sizes are welcome to such posts, and the normal ownership rules have been willfully forfeit in the goal of constructively fleshing out the answer.
How is this new rule going to be enforced?
It won't be enforced, because it's not a rule. It's a proposed cultural shift in our handling of a specific subset of answers with a clear visual signal to prompt the alternate reaction that I'm hoping for, with clear guidance for the community via a link to this question in the stub.
There is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from ignoring this completely and handling these answers as they normally would, but I'm hoping that this will catch on and I'm banking on the good will of the community to make it happen.
This isn't a perfect solution, and it isn't meant to be. I could propose feature changes and rule changes, but this is something we can actually do with the features and rules we have right now, we only need to change how we interact with these answers.
We can prevent the premature deletion of partial answers posted as comments, and we can create a standard avenue for elevating these partial-answer-comments to actual full answers and stimulate further constructive discussion in a healthy manner. We just need to work together.
Final thoughts specific to this meta question:
- This is absolutely a rough draft of this idea.
- If you feel that you can clarify this proposal meaningfully, please feel free to edit it.
- If you feel that something in this post is unclear, or there is information missing, please feel free to request clarifications or additional information in the comment section here.
- If you have concerns about or criticisms of this proposal, or you have arguments for or against it, please post them as answers. They cannot be discussed in the comments here, and if they are discussed, any such discussions will be deleted or moved to chat.
- If you feel that the answer that you're about to post qualifies as a stub, feel free to use the stub format.
- If you do not intend to honor the spirit of this proposal, please do not use the stub format just to be funny. It's not funny.