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Tim recently deleted the top answer to the question asking how much research is expected of Stack Overflow question for suggesting that people should be doing a lot of research on the grounds that, "it's not advice we want to give to new users".

Why does SO no longer want to advise users that they are expected to do research before asking their questions, and that it's okay to be asking questions that are effectively answered through simple research on the topic, despite it having been a core principle of the site until now, and very strongly supported by the community?

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    I disagree with the deletion, but this isn't really a fair question. The now top voted question has 'Research your question on Stack Overflow (questions, answers, and comments if you can)' as the second point, right after recommending reading the documentation. It's quite clear (to me), that it was deleted because of the hyperbole
    – Rob Mod
    Jun 28, 2019 at 14:50
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    @Rob Yes, the top voted answer is now saying that it doesn't matter how readily accessible high quality information is on the topic, not researching it and duplicating it is perfectly fine, as long as it's not on this site. There are numerous problems with this. The site not exist to just duplicate information that's already readily accessible. The search features on the site itself are not nearly as good as those for searching the internet as a whole, so people are less likely to find solutions already on the site. It doesn't include debugging and troubleshooting in its description.
    – Servy
    Jun 28, 2019 at 14:54
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    @Rob If the hyperbole in the answer was problematic, that can be fixed with editing. There's no need to delete the whole answer, especially when the other answers are telling people to not be doing their research.
    – Servy
    Jun 28, 2019 at 14:54
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    One problem is: first, we had a ~600 score answer saying essentially: a ton of research, and a ~250 score answer saying: some searching on SO and looking at the docs, no debugging and no googling, and now it suddenly looks like the community agrees it's that second one. Especially since the comments there emphasize it's OK to ask trivial questions where you can easily google the answer, but it's not on SO.
    – Erik A
    Jun 28, 2019 at 14:54
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    @Rob Suggesting, that "Do one search on SO" is adequate research is close enough to basically not doing any research that I felt the question was appropriate. It's basically telling people that the bar for research is now super low, to the point that even doing a simple web search is not expected (it's even discouraged by the answer, which is just insane to me), that I consider that functionally the same as telling people no research is required. At least that's the practical effect it has.
    – Servy
    Jun 28, 2019 at 15:01
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    Hilariously from Tim's own answer to Should moderators be able to delete answers on questions they answer themselves? "Moderators are not allowed to remove valid content period; I don't see why the rule needs to be any more complicated than that.". The answer was valid. You could have edited out the "shame" etc or whatever you need to do to help you sleep at night, but the answer should not have been deleted.
    – zero298
    Jun 28, 2019 at 15:15
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    Sorry, this discussion is getting more and more extremist. An over-the-top answer was deleted. Your title equates that to “research is no longer expected”. Please stop this: you are escalating what should be a rational discussion into a shouting match and growing divide that is going to be harder and harder to bridge at this rate. If you can’t keep out the hyperbole, please go take a walk outside to cool off.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Jun 28, 2019 at 15:17
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    @MartijnPieters No, this is not just "some over the top answer was deleted, nothing important here going on at all". The answer advocating people asking questions here be doing a lot of research is deleted, and one actively discouraging people from doing research is promoted in its place. That equates to research is no longer expected. It's not hyperbole, it's not extremism, it's what those actions are saying, unambiguously. Calling me an extremist and saying I'm not allowed to voice my options and that I need to leave is not the way to convince me that this isn't a problem.
    – Servy
    Jun 28, 2019 at 15:21
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    @MartijnPieters Yes, I did not notice that there was a discussion on the topic, you're right that two are not needed. You didn't suspend me, the staff here simply deleted the answer on the FAQ in which the community overwhelmingly voiced it's opinion on the answer, without discussion, after years, and are telling me I'm not allowed to discuss it. Again, I'm not being hyperbolic. This is what these actions are saying. You can disagree, but you can't say that I don't believe what I'm saying.
    – Servy
    Jun 28, 2019 at 15:29
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    @Servy: I'm asking you to stop escalating the discussion, not asking you to not discuss it. Note how you are still doing this, you are turning my request into something it isn't. That's exactly what I'm asking you not to do. It's why I have a very strong impression than you could do with a walk outside to clear your head a bit.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Jun 28, 2019 at 15:39
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    @MartijnPieters You've told me two main things. You've told me to leave and stop posting, and you've told me to not be hyperbolic. I've told you that I'm not being hyperbolic, and that the statements I'm making are not exaggerated, and that telling me to just leave is, well, telling me to leave instead of discussing the issue. Just telling me that I shouldn't be upset and that this is no big deal and I shouldn't be bothered does not make me any less upset that this is happening.
    – Servy
    Jun 28, 2019 at 15:45
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    @Servy: You are still reading my words very selectively. Well, I tried, sorry that you are not hearing what I'm trying to say.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Jun 28, 2019 at 15:47
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    @DavyM I feel obligated that SO tried to get people to do exactly that with documentation, so they're not the ones you're going to get pushback from in that regard.
    – Servy
    Jun 28, 2019 at 16:17
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    Just to make sure people notice, Undo undeleted the answer about 50 minutes ago.
    – Davy M
    Jun 28, 2019 at 16:27
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    @MartijnPieters So now that we can see Tim's intentions were exactly as expected here, does that change anything? Why are we always expected to assume good intentions while SO is constantly assuming the worst of us. If SO is unwilling to assume good intentions of this community, nor are their actions demonstrating good faith, why must we continue to assume to over and over? I've spent a long time assuming good faith on behalf of the company. But while that good faith can be assumed by default, at some point their actions demonstrate that it's not merited.
    – Servy
    Jun 28, 2019 at 21:40

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