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So I came across the following edit:

I was intrigued by the superfluous nature of the edit so I took a gander at the user's profile and it seems that they are based in Pakistan (I presume the edit was made because of the India vs Pakistan rivalry). Nevertheless, my questions are:

  • The edit doesn't fundamentally change the code or make it non-working however it absolutely is a useless edit as such, should it be rolled back or should it be left to prevent a potential rollback war?

  • In scenarios like this should the mods handle it over a normal user?

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    As if we don't have enough problems already to moderate stuff here ... let's not do politics here .... flag for a moderator.
    – rene
    Commented Jun 24, 2019 at 10:36
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    It is a useless edit that probably follows a political agenda. Flag for moderator attention so they can have a word with the editor.
    – BDL
    Commented Jun 24, 2019 at 10:36
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    On a second look, the edits definitely make the post wrong. "Pakistan" is not a string of length 5.
    – BDL
    Commented Jun 24, 2019 at 10:38
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    @BDL good spot. Rolling back.
    – Script47
    Commented Jun 24, 2019 at 10:38
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    Curiously, it doesn't seem like there is a pattern of this user doing this kinda of thing. Their edits are not usually the best, but generally not that bad either. Maybe they were just having a silly day.
    – yivi
    Commented Jun 24, 2019 at 10:41
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    It's a superfluous edit at best. I don't see a reason to approve it even if it was correct.
    – VLAZ
    Commented Jun 24, 2019 at 11:43
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    @VLAZ the author is 2K+ so it doesn't need approval.
    – Script47
    Commented Jun 24, 2019 at 11:46
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    @Script47 ah, I missed that detail. This probably brings up the question - are 2k+ edits allowed to be superfluous? Not just "very minor" improvements but actively a non-factor.
    – VLAZ
    Commented Jun 24, 2019 at 11:49
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    @VLAZ no, they can't be superfluous. All edits - irrespective of rep - should be useful and purposeful.
    – Script47
    Commented Jun 24, 2019 at 11:51
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    @yivi Yeah, looks like the editor was just being silly. The company referenced in the answer is located in Ottapidaram, India, about the furthest point in India from Pakistan as possible.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jun 24, 2019 at 21:35
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    @yivi I'm pretty sure it's because of the recent match between India and Pakistan, icc-cricket.com/match/8213#scorecard , the user was not in the right mind at the moment and made that decision on a whim.
    – Rahul
    Commented Jun 25, 2019 at 7:43
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    Even ignoring the fact that it literally makes the answer wrong, I would personally flag that as spam/vandalism.
    – jhpratt
    Commented Jun 27, 2019 at 0:13
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    @jhpratt No - the goal of the edit suggester was to change the country names without harming the content. The harm what he did was unintentional.
    – peterh
    Commented Jun 27, 2019 at 10:01
  • I'd just change it to a non-related country of length 5, e.g. Chile, or a fictional one, e.g. Endor. Keeps the politics out :) Commented Jul 19, 2022 at 11:35
  • @Sabito, Just because 'rollback war' words appear in a post doesn't mean that the post is about rollback wars. – Point taken. You were right to roll back this one. My mistake. Commented Apr 11, 2023 at 13:28

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It's an entirely superfluous edit, and as @BDL points out:

[..] the edits definitely make the post wrong. "Pakistan" is not a string of length 5.

This would fall under the category of "no improvement" and/or "vandalism" either way, so rolling it back was correct. I've put a note on the user which will influence future moderation decisions, should they show any such problematic behaviour again. So far the user's behaviour seems innocent enough, so let's give them the benefit of the doubt.

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    I've put a note on the user First time I hear about this feature! Is there anywhere we can be informed about such notes? I'd really like to know if I am on a 'watch list' and for what reasons.
    – user000001
    Commented Jun 24, 2019 at 16:37
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    Oh, you especially. 👁👁✌️👉 But, well, no, it’s moderator internal stuff, so shush. 🤫
    – deceze Mod
    Commented Jun 24, 2019 at 16:44
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    It’s like back in school, where the teacher tells you, “This is going on your permanent record, young man.” (I hope that’s not too much of an Americanism.) We have that here, too, @user. And, no, there’s no Freedom of Information Act that allows you to request a viewing of your own record. Super seekrit is super seekrit.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 24, 2019 at 20:35
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    @CodyGray: Not even GDPR? Isn't this personal information about someone?
    – user000001
    Commented Jun 24, 2019 at 20:39
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    @user000001 the first rule of moderator notes is don't talk about moderator notes... Commented Jun 24, 2019 at 21:18
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    On top of this, the website for that content, qualitypointtech.com, mentions that it is located in India, giving an additional mark against the edit.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jun 24, 2019 at 21:20
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    Chances are it's just a mild ribbing between friends or co-workers that got way too much attention here. I could totally see that kind of thing happening with a sports team.
    – Bill K
    Commented Jun 24, 2019 at 21:34
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    I'm not a lawyer, @user000001, and I don't even live in the EU, so I really can't comment on what GDPR requires. However, I will say that I don't think so. It isn't really personal information being tracked here. Rather, it is one moderator's subjective opinion, a note from one moderator to a future moderator. You are, of course, entitled to use the "contact" page to submit a request to the team.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 25, 2019 at 2:35
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    @Joshua Why? The problem has been resolved. It could, in fact, have been easily resolved without the intervention of either a moderator or Meta. There's no reason to make an even bigger deal of it.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 25, 2019 at 3:43
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    @CodyGray: There was this long debate at work that boiled down to "If you think my behavior needs to change you need to actually talk to me about it." So yeah, I'm kinda sensitive to deciding something is a behavior problem and not even talking to the user in question. Maybe a bit much though.
    – Joshua
    Commented Jun 25, 2019 at 3:47
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    @CodyGray I've downloaded my personal data a while ago and user annotations about me weren't in there, and I know I have some. if i recall correctly about a prior discussion, the rationale SE relies on to withhold annotations is that they're a trade secret of the site, which I guess is fair. They're definitely PI though, as in conjunction with my name/identity, it's information about me. "Magisch has foo'd way too many bars and will be suspended next time" is personal information just like "Magisch has green eyes", imo.
    – Magisch
    Commented Jun 25, 2019 at 7:50
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    *Scribbles down "@Magisch: green eyes"* Commented Jun 25, 2019 at 7:55
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    @Magisch there is a difference between your personal information and an opinion of you (which is a personal information of someone having an opinion!). A company is not required to disclose their opinion of you (except in some narrow cases, like they have to disclose your credit score when reporting the status of your credit application). I can see notes failing squarely into opinion category
    – SergeyA
    Commented Jun 25, 2019 at 18:49
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    @SergeyA, IANAL, but I'm pretty confident you're wrong here. Totally anecdotal, but I'm under the impression that notes about a candidate at interview (for example) are considered PI under GDPR (xperthr.co.uk/faq/…), and I can't see how these annotations would be substantially different. Hopefully SO's lawyers have already considered this; if not, I think they should. Although, of course, we know that SO staff don't read Meta, so I'm not sure why I'm bothering to say it here :) Commented Jun 25, 2019 at 21:19
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    @Michael et al: law.stackexchange.com/q/42433/9788
    – deceze Mod
    Commented Jun 26, 2019 at 12:23
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An edit's not just about "not making the post worse", it should actively make the post better.

So given that, I think there's a very clear rejection reason:

No improvement

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    There's still the question of "no improvement" vs "vandalism" (intentional harm). Commented Jun 26, 2019 at 20:25
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    The OP was 2K+ therefore this wouldn't be possible.
    – Script47
    Commented Jun 26, 2019 at 21:15
  • @AndrasDeak Could be either in this case, but "no improvement" is the clear, safe option in general cases like this. Commented Jun 26, 2019 at 23:20

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