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I always get 5 reputation, whenever I ask a new question and the question also seems to have 1 vote score right when it's asked.

So if questions get a free upvote whenever they are first asked, which upvoter is it ascribed to in the system. The Community user?

Does this system just grant 5 free reputation for every question asked? And why isn't this system abused? Is it protected by a periodical limit?

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    "Do asked questions get an upvote by default?" No, that's not the case. Apr 6, 2019 at 12:37
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    No, there's no 5 reputation received for any question by default. Apr 6, 2019 at 12:42
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    I don't get why there are four close votes here. This question is neither "unclear" nor "too broad".
    – duplode
    Apr 6, 2019 at 14:44
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    @peterh the downvotes here could easily mean the voters believed that the question is either not useful or poorly researched, as it doesn't seem very useful and a little bit of research would show that the premise of the question is false. Your attempt to invalidate those votes is rude and serves only to confuse the OP more.
    – user4639281
    Apr 6, 2019 at 14:51
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    @TinyGiant I can't invalidate any votes. I find your false accusation an insult, and calling the OP "confused" also insulting. He is not confused, he is curious, that is all. The answer of this wonderful community: 7 downs and 4 close votes until now. This is what should be fighted.
    – peterh
    Apr 6, 2019 at 14:55
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    So... On which tags do we get that free upvote that you are talking about? :)
    – E_net4
    Apr 6, 2019 at 15:03
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    @peterh you attempt to invalidate votes by saying that they don't mean anything when they actually do. I personally find this question not useful and it shows an extreme lack of research effort so the votes are entirely warranted. My accusation is fact-based. whether or not you want to be insulted by the truth is up to you. What should be fought against is the misinformation you insist on spreading that serves only to confuse.
    – user4639281
    Apr 6, 2019 at 15:04
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    @peterh: your very own interpretation of how voting works and why people cast them is not doing anyone any favours. Yes, you are actually wrong, your assertions about why people vote a minority opinion and unless you have a mind-reading device can only be based on your own emotional interpretation of limited information. We all can only see that voting takes place, to assert that the voting is done for any specific reason or agenda, especially as antagonistic as your view, can’t be supported.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Apr 6, 2019 at 15:39
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    @peterh: instead, your comments create an us-versus-them split that doesn’t exist or need to exist. By your very actions you conjure up conflict where there is none, make it harder for new users here to figure out how Meta works for themselves and so hinder more people from participating. It’s easy for me to know your opinions are just as over the top and applicable to the situation as Denis the Constitutional Peasant’s are, but I’m not sure that you yourself realise this. But the community here, me included, will not stop from educating the new users.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Apr 6, 2019 at 15:45
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    @MartijnPieters What is my "own emotional interpretation of limited information" for you, is the basic human rationality for me. What is "constitutional peasant" for you, is a free spirit for me. What is "peasant" for you, is a volunteer contributor for me. What is "kingdom" for you, is free cooperation for me. And, what is "king" for you... my word is not CoC-compliant for that.
    – peterh
    Apr 6, 2019 at 15:56
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    @peterh: "He is not confused, he is curious, that is all." No, he is in fact confused. He sees X, and from that he infers that Y is true. But Z is actually true, and X does not necessitate Y. Therefore, his inference of Y from X represents being confused; that's what confusion is: incorrectly understanding the stuff that was presented to you. Oh, and "confused" is the charitable version; if you look at his account, X is not actually what he's seen. He's asked 8 questions, but only a couple have gotten upvotes at all. So the question is not even well evidenced. Apr 6, 2019 at 16:08
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    @peterh: The OP said, "I always get 5 reputation, whenever I ask a new question and the question also seems to have 1 vote score right when it's asked." Yet that is not actually true. Newbie or not, the facts do not fit the statement. That makes the question poorly researched. Stop pretending that newbies are some sub-human species that is incapable of telling the difference between "a thing that happened to me once" and "a thing that happens every time". The OP can tell the difference; they merely choose not to. That makes it a poorly researched question. Apr 6, 2019 at 16:40
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    @user10385242: "From multiple questions I asked now, each time I got an instant upvote." That is provably untrue. This is the reputation tab of your posting history. We can see your rep increase and decreases and thus see voting patterns. You have had precisely 4 upvotes. You asked 8 questions. It is impossible for all 8 of your questions to have gotten an upvote, when you have only gotten 4 upvotes. Apr 6, 2019 at 17:04
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    @peterh: "He did not know, probably he can't check, where he got the upvotes." Hence the poor research. He's been a user for 6 months. And sure, he may have been a sparse user, so he may not have stumbled onto the profile/account page. But why is it unreasonable to expect people to verify the stuff they say? My first question would have been to find out if you can check to see what the votes on your posts are, so that I could verify a claim before I made it. And even then, I'd probably have found a duplicate first. Apr 6, 2019 at 17:10
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    There's been many flags on this thread, can we stop the debate on what the OP knows/didn't know and the motives for people voting and stick to the issue at hand? There's no automatic upvotes.
    – user3956566
    Apr 6, 2019 at 17:16

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You have currently 8 questions, for which you got probably 5 upvotes and 1 downvote. In general, compared to the typical start of the new users, these are very well received contributions and seem like a highly above average start.

You got your votes because your posts were considered good, but most of the votes didn't came from the reviews in the "first-posts" review queue. But the effect you suspect, partially exists, also in the FPQ and also for new contributors overall. It is up to voters/reviewers, how do they vote, if they vote. It seems you got mostly upvotes until now.

Some of the first-post reviewers, or anybody visiting the posts of new members, have the habit to vote down. Others have the habit to vote always up. I personally have the habit that I don't vote first-post questions always up, but I give upvotes for first posts very light-handedly. Thus, if the posts are not clearly bad, they get the up. I do this on these reasons:

  • to compensate our wonderful community members with a strong downvoter habit, particularly targeting new user questions
  • partially as a "welcome"
  • and partially to motivate the new user to use the site more.

Internet communities tend to become more and more closed with time, and more and more antagonistic to the incomers. This is clearly visible also on the stats of the Stack Overflow since some years. I am trying to work against the phenomenon from inside. Doing that, I am volunteering hard work for the SO, to save the SO from itself.

Of course if it is clearly visible that the user doesn't even try to give his best, or his real problem is not the programming problem what he asks, but that he missed the elementary school, then I think he needs a clear feedback that "so it won't go". And this is what I give him with my comments and votes.

Note, only to vote in the first-post queue is a very bad thing, don't forget this if you reach the 500! We also need to do many others, which is possible.

Many of the first posts will be closed on the reasons which are clear for us, but not for the newbie. The things which are required to be done, typically to save the post from the closure, i.e. to maximize the probability that the question of the user will be saved. These are:

  • editing the post into a better form (particularly if it is clear to me, but not for the other voters)
  • giving useful tips & tricks in comments, how to improve the post
  • giving him psychological support, if his post will be likely unfairly closed (in my opinion)

You had luck with your first-post reviewers, and your posts were good. This is why you got so many upvotes now. But your posts won't be first-post reviewed any more, and the system is lesser friendly to you, but hopefully you will learn a lot to optimize your chances quickly.

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    "If you are below 50 rep, your newly asked questions get into the "first-posts" review queue." the first sentence is already wrong... posts only get into First Post Review Queue if it's the user's visible first post, whether the user is a brand new 1-rep user, or 101-rep user from association bonus.
    – Andrew T.
    Apr 6, 2019 at 16:40
  • @AndrewT. I am not very sure in that. I've seen multiple first-posts from the same user many times already. Can you cite a reference for that?
    – peterh
    Apr 6, 2019 at 16:43
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    The keyword is visible. You can get multiple first posts from the same user if all of their previous posts get deleted, making the next post the "first post".
    – Andrew T.
    Apr 6, 2019 at 16:45
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    This answer contains misinformation, it's not how the site works. Please take some guidance on how the site actually works.
    – user3956566
    Apr 6, 2019 at 16:50
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    @AndrewT. Right. I trink I fixed the post.
    – peterh
    Apr 6, 2019 at 16:54
  • @YvetteColomb I tried to fix the post on Andrew's advice, while I tried to keep the essential meaning. Did you think on the same problem, or on some different?
    – peterh
    Apr 6, 2019 at 16:55
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    @peterh that's an improvement, however this site has actually improved in its friendliness. This is something I have rallied for, as you know. There's evidence that there's been improvements, and hoping it will continue in that trajectory. So based on this, you're making some assumptions in your answer that may not be true.
    – user3956566
    Apr 6, 2019 at 16:59
  • @YvetteColomb Yes, it might be true, if there will be yet more advancement. The new CoC and the question wizard were imho very useful, I hope their effect will be soon visible on the SEDE stats, too.
    – peterh
    Apr 6, 2019 at 17:20
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Do asked questions get an upvote by default?

No, there's no such "default upvote".

I always get 5 reputation, whenever I ask a new question and the question also seems to have 1 vote score right when it's asked.

You should note that posting a question will be seen by a broad community of people very quickly at Stack Overflow.
Some of these people might choose to upvote or downvote your question (for whatever reasons) very quickly, so it appears to you that just the engine reacts in a time you can't believe a human reader might do.

So if questions get a free upvote whenever they are first asked, which upvoter is it ascribed to in the system. The Community user?

You cannot know who upvoted your question, but it's definitely not the Community user or some other automatism.

Does this system just grant 5 free reputation for every question asked?

As mentioned: No it doesn't.

And why isn't this system abused?

A non existing mechanism can't be abused.

Is it protected by a periodical limit?

Yes, asking questions is protected with a periodical limit for less trusted users. But that doesn't have to do anything with what you were asking about.


As I can tell from my personal behavior and experience:

  • I am lurking at a specific tag (I am well experienced with) to see new incoming questions and judge how I should react.
  • I'd probably downvote a question because I see even it's title leads to some very trivial and well known problem (lack of OP's research)
  • If I see, the question deviates from the common search results, I might retract my downvote, and also retract close votes or duplicate closures within short time.
  • Most of the time I also cast a close vote along with a downvote, if not I've closed a question for being an easy to find duplicate.

I often see community people reacting quite contrary and try to "balance out" downvotes with upvotes, just for empathy for new users, and not by judging the questions quality.

Also sometimes answers are given even for clearly off-topic or duplicate questions.

But well, all in all we have a community consensus how to handle new incoming questions (especially from newbs) here.
You might observe severely different behavior regarding tag specific communities.

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  • Some of these people might choose to upvote or downvote your question (for whatever reasons) I am one of them even if I am not familiar to the technology for which the question is asked. I vote mainly for formatting in such questions.
    – Gourav
    Apr 6, 2019 at 14:41
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    @Gourav why would you do such a thing? Upvotes and downvotes are meant to be signals related to usefulness and perceived research effort, not formatting. Bad formatting can be fixed with an edit, but useless questions can also be well formatted.
    – user4639281
    Apr 6, 2019 at 14:44
  • I do edit them and vote them.
    – Gourav
    Apr 6, 2019 at 14:44
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    @Gourav but why are you voting based on formatting? That makes no sense. If you're not experienced enough in the technology to adequately assess usefulness and perceived research sffort, don't vote. Otherwise you're just casting nonsense votes that serve only to confuse matters.
    – user4639281
    Apr 6, 2019 at 14:45
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    @TinyGiant I can totally see how one, (beer and booze handy) might sit on the new tab of php and after looking at 427 posts all of sudden stumble on a well-formatted post. Whether it is the scare, joy or excitement an misclick might happen.
    – rene
    Apr 6, 2019 at 17:00

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