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I don't know about you, but when I went through the moderator election page, I noticed that some of the candidates were focusing on the fact that they're very active with their flags and close votes.

Although that's good when you need law enforcers to keep the place clean, especially considering how Stack Overflow is a victim of its own success and gets a dozen (bad quality) new questions per second, I find that... I don't know, awkward?

It's a good thing to let the new people know that they should think twice before posting their question. But should Stack Overflow really be a synonym for "retribution"?

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    Retribution? As long as you see moderation as punitive, yeah your viewpoint of Stack will be sad. Once you shift your perspective to understand Stack's goals and how it wants to achieve them, moderation becomes the nicest and most benevolent thing you can do.
    – Patrice
    Mar 11, 2019 at 23:03
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    @Patrice I think I used the wrong word there. I didn't mean to say that moderation in its own is punitive, but the fact that I was under the impression some candidates promise to apply it more fiercely. Then again, that's only my impression, and I can be wrong.
    – Clockwork
    Mar 11, 2019 at 23:05
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    Could you please clarify your suggestion? You seem to think moderator should not know when flagging is appropriate and should not know when closing question is appropriate (as you find "fact that they're very active on the flags and close votes" wrong/sad/whatever) - I don't see how such person would be good moderator. Mar 11, 2019 at 23:05
  • Well if moderation isn't punitive.... Why is more of it a bad thing?
    – Patrice
    Mar 11, 2019 at 23:06
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    The whole point of moderation is to keep the site clean. Moderators are empowered to do that with abilities more powerful than regular users. Focusing on flags and close votes is going to be some of the most important work they can do as a moderator.
    – fbueckert
    Mar 11, 2019 at 23:08
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    @Patrice Hmm... I think I'm not judging moderation on its own, but giving my point of view on the way some people were proposing themselves.
    – Clockwork
    Mar 11, 2019 at 23:08
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    It's important to note that the purpose of closing legitimate questions isn't to send the question asker away. If a question is being closed because it's a dupe, closing is giving the asker an answer. If a question is being closed because it can't be answered in its current state, it's giving the asker a clear message about what they need to add to get their question answered. And if a question is spam, well, we all want it removed as quickly as possible anyway. Moderation is by-and-large a process of delivering better answers faster. Mar 11, 2019 at 23:10
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    @fbueckert Agreed. But I was thinking being slightly more... "diplomat" would be a better approach? As in, talk it out beforehand? Then again, I think I'm being too idealistic.
    – Clockwork
    Mar 11, 2019 at 23:12
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    Talk it out? With the two thousand new posters we get each and every day? Where is anyone supposed to find the time to do that? Never mind that new user have to be receptive and willing to learn. Most of them don't care; they just want an answer, and anything that prevents that is to be worked around.
    – fbueckert
    Mar 11, 2019 at 23:13
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    What do you think the candidates should focus on? Dealing with flags what moderators do.
    – jscs
    Mar 11, 2019 at 23:18
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    I mean, you are more than welcome to do the 'hand holding' and all. Most of the regulars do.... Sometimes. But with the flood there is just no time to do it 100% of the time. Also since mods are expected to handle flags like crazy.... Why doesn't it make sense to say they already flag well?
    – Patrice
    Mar 11, 2019 at 23:20
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    You find it sad that moderator candidates are focused on... moderating? What exactly do you think the candidates should be focused on? What, to you, is moderation on Stack Overflow? What does it consist of? What do moderators do?
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Mar 12, 2019 at 4:07
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    You can only ping one person per comment. You can't elect based on being "nice folk". All the candidates seem like nice folks. How would you pick? And how does that qualify you to do the actual work of moderating? The relation of moderators to "nice" is two-fold: (1) we keep the engagement on this site nice by cleaning up abusive comments and/or enforcing the rules when users break them, and (2) we keep the site itself nice by removing clutter/garbage/low-quality content. Some people consider closure and deletion to be "not nice", but that is a misunderstanding. Quality is why we're all here.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Mar 12, 2019 at 7:13
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    @one who have less than 2000k rep can easily have thousands of flag (thanks to flag for closing question) but after that it is really hard to find post worthy of flag so elect on the basis of flags only! - NO (imho) but closing is more appropriate Mar 12, 2019 at 8:38
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    @NullPoiиteя There are many specialized areas of flagging. Some people easily fill their 100 flags a day by flagging bad or obsolete comments, NAA (not an answer) posts, serial voting, plagiarism, etc.
    – Magisch
    Mar 13, 2019 at 8:21

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I think you're mistaken about what moderators do on SO.

But should Stack Overflow really be a synonym for "retribution"?

Retribution isn't it. At all. Mostly moderators are dealing with those special queues that involve both user and system flags. A lot of flags. So if someone runs for moderator, you probably want someone who already helps handling some general moderator duties. Some people don't get that and act like it's a popularity contest, or some sort of rite of passage.

You also need to get that moderators are the top of the curation food chain. That means they're on the lookout for bad things to remove (like spam, rudeness, etc.) and dealing with the occasional problem user. If you're a good flagger, you're going to be a better moderator.

Honestly, posts like these make it harder on moderation in general. Too many people see SO as an angry place, but if you hang around and do moderation, you find it's nothing of the sort.

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    Thanks. With all the exchanges I've had, and with your answer, I think I've got the discussion I was looking for. I was on a thoughtful night and seeking various people point of view.
    – Clockwork
    Mar 12, 2019 at 6:39
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    As a side note, I also wanted to point out that I didn't mean anything toward those who are contributing to moderating SO. I've been there for a short while, so I know how much of a hell it can be to keep stuffs clean around. I was just thinking about having a discussion about the candidacy. Maybe I should have taken a trip to the chat instead of opening a thread though.
    – Clockwork
    Mar 12, 2019 at 7:28
  • "Too many people see SO as an angry place" - while in fact it's pretty much Willy Wonka's chocolate factory.
    – Gimby
    Mar 13, 2019 at 9:09

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