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I commented on this answer in order to explain why I downvoted it. Now I see that the comments have been removed, and the answer remains unchanged.

Why were they removed? Shouldn't I at least be notified that they have been removed?

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    No, there is no notification when comments are deleted. And comments explaining votes are not necessary, and are often flagged for removal. Comment on the post if you want, no need to comment on the votes.
    – yivi
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 10:11
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    @yivi Okay, I will remove everything that is not constructive criticism. Is there anywhere I can see what I wrote in my deleted comments? Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 10:26
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    No, I'm afraid deleted comments go to comment-heaven. Only diamond mods can see them.
    – yivi
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 10:27
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    I never said "do not give feedback". I said "give feedback on the post (if you want), not on the vote".
    – yivi
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 12:46
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    @Martin Comments on votes are discouraged quite emphatically all around. Comments on content, not so. I can comment on a post and explain why I believe it is poor, and/or I can vote. These are two separate, independent feedback mechanisms.
    – yivi
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 12:50
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    @Martin this has been discussed ad nauseaum. Search around in meta. And again, nothing stops you from commenting on a post you vote. Simply, no need to comment the vote. E.g. "This answer is wrong because snakes are not mammals" is different from "I downvoted you because you state that a snake is a mammal".
    – yivi
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 12:58
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    @MartinBarker Implying that downvotes were made without a reason is, in turn, not reasonable. We have well established reasons why providing feedback on downvotes is not mandatory. Coupled with the fact that we cannot read minds, you are always better off assuming first that there might be a problem with the voted content. Else, just ignore it and let it go as another case of Tim losing his keys.
    – E_net4
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 14:10
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    @Martin Votes are not a teaching tool to help posters "learn from their mistakes". It's a rating and curation mechanism intended to help future readers. Again, nothing is stoping anyone from making comments on a post quality, which of course help everybody (the poster and future visitors).
    – yivi
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 14:13
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    @MartinBarker There are innumerable resources on how to ask good questions. There's tons of info in the help center, in posts here on meta, and the internet at large, on what makes a good or a bad question. People don't need others to hold their hand though the process of asking a question in order to know basic things like that their question should be clear, have enough information to answer it, that they should be doing their research before asking, etc. And you absolutely need to do your research before starting a discussion on a topic? Why would you think you wouldn't?
    – Servy
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 14:26
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    @Martin, you are free to use your votes as you see fit. Me, I interpret that guidance as "I do not find this question useful for future visitors".
    – yivi
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 14:36
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    @MartinBarker Just because a question doesn't have an objectively correct answer doesn't mean no facts are ever relevant to it. Most good discussions, particularly here, will absolutely involve knowing and sharing facts. But more importantly, research is more than just "coming up with facts to support one's arguments", despite how important that is in a good discussion question. It also means things like looking up past discussions on the topic and seeing the arguments and conclusions of it, else you see cases like the poor question that's just repeating information.
    – Servy
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 14:38
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    Regarding the bit about "reading future visitors minds": I'm judging content when I vote, and I can make a judgement about usefulness without reading minds. E.g. the hypothetical questions "What's better, Java or GO?" or "How to concatenate a string in Perl?", I can judge them unuseful on their own, because of my own opinion and experience on what a useful question would be on this site. The comment about mind-reading wasn't mine anyway, and referenced a completely different thing.
    – yivi
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 14:53
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    @MartinBarker: "Subjective means not Factual meaning research is pointless because it won't be research it will be opinions and they are inherently not fact and therefore not valid research." Not all opinions are equal or equally valid. Opinions can be informed or uninformed. The latter are not useful. Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 14:54
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    @MartinBarker: At the end of the day, telling someone what's wrong with their post does not need to be prefaced with "I downvoted because...". If you feel the need to explain something that can be fixed about their post, do so. But don't do it in the context of your voting pattern; do it in the context of explaining what's wrong. Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 14:56
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    @tiw its not unnecessary, its actively harmful to comment on your votes. It is most harmful to your cause, as the recipient is much less likely to heed your advice if you start off your comment by telling them that you downvoted their post. There is literally no good that can ever come from commenting on your votes. If you think a post can be improved, leave a comment stating that, but don't broadcast your voting history with it.
    – user4639281
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 16:10

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I deleted your comments, there were flags on two of them and this is what it looks like to give a perspective of why I deleted them.

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This borders on harassment. The "AP" (answer poster - I'm hoping it takes off), saw your comments and there's no real point leaving a monologue of comments that are triple the length of the answer.

Did you think this code through at all before suggesting it? ...

This is rude.

I'm officially (as a moderator) asking you to stop commenting on the answer.

As for giving people notifications when a comment is deleted. I have deleted a total of 2.5k comments on meta and 69.7k comment on main. This is one moderator of a large moderation team. It is untenable to notify people when their comments are deleted. It's unnecessary noise to an already busy site.

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    Ugh, mouse cursor in the screenshots. The cursor lives to fight another day.
    – user3956566
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 17:06
  • Use firefox... They have cookies! (And a button to easily get screenshots of pages)
    – Braiam
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 17:18
  • @Braiam I will explore that. It's the large scale font sizing on my mac that's doing it. Playing havoc with screenshots.
    – user3956566
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 17:19
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    move comments to code review.se is not a feature, right?
    – rene
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 17:20
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    @rene you know code review shudders even when we make jokes like this, right?
    – user3956566
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 17:22
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    Did they actually post the exact same comment multiple times or is there just overlap from having to do this in multiple images?
    – BSMP
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 17:53
  • @BSMP: Yes. The last pair of identical comments were posted within minutes of each other (presumably), but were deleted at least an hour apart. Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 18:47
  • "It's the large scale font sizing on my mac that's doing it." Why don't you just lower the resolution? That is, after all, the whole point of a Retina display. Scaling the entire screen by changing the resolution is much more application-friendly than scaling just the font. The same is true in Windows: you are better off lowering the resolution and keeping the DPI scaling set to 100% than you are trying to increase the DPI scaling, since that causes all kinds of app-compatibility problems and general ugliness. It shouldn't, mind you, but too many apps don't scale properly because history.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 19:08
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    Regarding the content of the answer, I think the screenshots you show are rather misleading, as they include comments deleted by the CP (comment poster; hoping it won't catch on). It would make more sense to just show the comments that the CP intended to be visible, which were the same ones that were flagged and deleted. Plenty of people make errors in comments and delete them to start over, not realizing that moderators actually see full comment histories. I really don't think there was any intent of abuse going on with respect to deleted comments.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 19:12
  • I think @BSMP would like to hear about Cody last comment.
    – Braiam
    Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 19:29
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    @YvetteColomb I don't really have anything to add, just replying to your comment so I get to be a CR. Commented Mar 6, 2019 at 23:03
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    @HelloGoodbye you can't see that they've been flagged, only moderators can, which is why they were deleted. So if your comments have been deleted, there's a good chance they were flagged first. Mods generally only go deleting things when they've been flagged.
    – user3956566
    Commented Mar 7, 2019 at 9:51
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    Yes, @Tiw. Moderators can see all changes to comments. That includes those made during the user during the 5 minute grace period, and changes made by moderators at any time. So yeah, if there's some kind of funny business going on, we aren't going to be fooled. Rest assured though that this really doesn't ever happen.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Mar 9, 2019 at 9:34
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    No, edits aren't relevant (or shown) here, @Tiw. Just deleted comments. You know how you can post a comment, and then immediately delete it to try again? Moderators see all the deleted comments, including self-deleted and mod-deleted comments. That's what happened here. That's why you see all the repetition (duplicates).
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Mar 9, 2019 at 9:42
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    No, @Tiw, those numbers are from a user-script that shows the flags on comments. The orange box means a comment was flagged. The number inside the orange box is the number of flags that were raised on it. This isn't a normal part of the mod display, but there is a user-script that can extract this information from where it is buried and display it inline.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Mar 9, 2019 at 10:01

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