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Again I am asking to remove the daily vote cap for up-/down votes and close votes for trusted users (let's say +10k) of the site.

Besides the vague "we like to prevent you from exhaustion" argument, there was never given any resilient data that this would either hurt, or improve the handling of posts here.
I don't feel exhausted, but just bothered when these restrictions come into my way how I am used to handle VLQ posts here. I am doing such stuff sideways while e.g. watching TV series, or other things while still in reach of my keyboard and what's happening in my open browser tabs. Not much source for exhaustion, depression or things like that.

So that restriction is just vain, and just comes into the way for highly trusted users, who try to keep their lawns clean day by day.

Trusted users like me, who are more willing to use their voting capabilities rather than gaining cheap reputation for answering VLQ questions are rarest already, and should be encouraged doing their work and not hindered by those silly daily caps. Especially when there's no resilient observations this would do any harm (particularly experienced SEDE users or CMs prove me wrong, if you can do so).


Alternative suggestions not involving unlimited votes

Raise the daily voting caps ...

  • ... to a fixed limit (let's say ~100, which would cover the need for seasonal (Sep - Feb) waves of VLQ question requests seen at Sunday in particular tags quite well)
  • ... seasonally (Sep - Feb) where a recurring rate of VLQ questions is detected
  • ... in relation to the actually closed and deleted questions where they've been participating in the process

Avoiding abuse

There should be a mechanism installed (similar like the currently already running serial voting reversal script), which detects abusive behavior, e.g. done by user scripts or excessively unconcsious voting on questions matching a particular (language-)tag (e.g. serial duplicate votes for a particular tag).


Related requests:


Some more interesting information about the history of that "cap feature"

  • But FYI, SO did not originally have voting caps

    But FYI, SO did not originally have voting caps - they were added during the private beta after someone wrote a script to vote on every single post. The reversal of so many votes made a great many people very unhappy.

    -- Shog9


More background to consider (or even to be improved with resilient statistics)

  • Just from my experience and felt VLQ question rate:
    1. We're experiencing a rate of VLQ questions rate every year at the same times, when new school/university semesters start to do their (disregarded, unappreciated and unliked) homeworks (not to mention that most of these users simply missed to read their course textbook again).
    2. These are also periodically seen for certain days of a week, e.g. Sundays, when the homework is due at the following Monday.
    3. There may be more VLQ requests fore a longer time scheme, but most of them are more "Solve my homework problem plz" or even worse "Gimme the codez plz" kind of questions.

We should simply have a feature to bail out the above mentioned kind of questions unlimited for topic trusted users (a deputy mode vs a fully trusted and elected ♦moderator).

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    There is still no evidence that more votes would mean less bad posts.
    – Makoto
    Nov 25, 2018 at 18:19
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    @Makoto Exactly, there's no evidence, so that restriction is vain as I mentioned. Thus there's also no evidence that the restriction improves anything. Nov 25, 2018 at 18:20
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    What I'm doing here is torpedoing your argument that having a cap is in vain because there's no evidence to suggest it would hurt. There's no evidence to suggest that up/down votes being uncapped would help, and there is firm evidence to prove that more close votes doesn't really change things in a meaningful way.
    – Makoto
    Nov 25, 2018 at 18:27
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    Users who max out their votes are the stark minority. Instead of looking at vote count, more effective tooling should be explored since voting is pretty weak by itself.
    – Makoto
    Nov 25, 2018 at 18:28
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    @Makoto Well, it would ease and encourage me at least, leaving the overall impact aside :3 Nov 25, 2018 at 18:29
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    @Makoto: 1) How could there be evidence for something which has not been tried yet? 2) Unless you can provide evidence it does harm, what's the problem removing the cap? Sorry, but your comments rad like "I don't want too much freedom, because I don't need it" to me. 3) Arguments should be countered with arguments, that's what makes a duscussion. You're right, you are using a torpedo, which is hardly an argument, but just disruptive (pun intended). Nov 25, 2018 at 18:48
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    @Makoto 4) "Users who max out their votes are the stark minority." - If that means you support giving their votes to users who actively use them, that would be a interesting alternative. Nov 25, 2018 at 18:52
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    There is still no evidence that more votes would mean less bad posts is that relevant @makoto? Votes aren’t used to prevent bad posts, they’re used to signal the quality of posts that already exist. More quality indicators can only be a positive thing, yes?
    – Clive
    Nov 25, 2018 at 18:54
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    Great idea, even though it is likely to never change. They don't work on the core Q&A product anymore. Just Jobs and Teams and such. They don't even fix bugs anymore, let alone implement feature requests.
    – user4639281
    Nov 25, 2018 at 18:57
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    I actually feel more exhausted by seeing non closed posts that get answered when they should be closed. I wish we had more votes so that we could help the other moderators. I sometimes could help the other tags, but I need to keep most of my votes for "my" tag. So more votes would mean less duplicates/too broad/typos getting answers, so overall improvement in quality. Not that a lot of people would use them all. Nov 25, 2018 at 19:01
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    I agree. The sole reason I don't participate in Triage anymore is because I'd use almost half of my votes before I can even clean up the tags I watch or clean up the CV Queue. Most of the stuff in Triage is Unsalvageable but the people who actually review it think this actually good content. I don't think any of the review queues should use votes at all. I know your post had nothing to do with Triage, but I mention it because it's caused by the same underlying issue. Nov 26, 2018 at 2:38
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    @Chris_Rands As from the CoC we should assume good intend in 1st place. I am pretty sure abusive voting patterns could be easily detected by the engine, and rolled back (just as with serial voting for a particular user is already done now.) Nov 26, 2018 at 17:38
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    I do not think I ever hit the max cap the 10 years I been here. Issue I have is people who clearly upvote bad questions to get to their max. Nov 27, 2018 at 1:11
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    I think the cap might serve one purpose. There's a lot of "meta people" out there, who only do meta tasks on SO. They have mostly dropped their participation on the main site in favour of only doing the meta tasks such as reviewing. In the long term they end up distancing themselves from the main site they are moderating. And so they eventually fail to grasp the community culture and consensus on the main site, where a lot policies are floating and subjective, some changing over time. And they end up forgetting about the most fundamental thing: the technical quality of the content.
    – Lundin
    Nov 27, 2018 at 12:50
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    I used to hit the vote cap all the time, but i'm a bit more conservative with them now because it really sucks feeling strongly about a particular post and wanting to vote on it, only to be given the "Sorry, you're out of votes." popup. You can of course argue the opinion that that's a good thing, that i should be saving my votes for the posts that need it most... i think that's hogwash.
    – Kevin B
    Nov 28, 2018 at 19:56

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