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I've recently flagged this answer NAA, since it's a comment clarifying how to change the accepted answer to work with 64-bits Microsoft Office. The answer even starts with For the accepted answer to work on 64-bit Excel.

The answer included Wanted this to be a comment, not enough rep. in his initial answer, but that got removed by an editor.

Since I realized it looked somewhat like an answer, I threw in a comment too, clarifying why this was not an answer, to make the job easier for reviewers and moderators.

However, the flag still got declined by a moderator (not by the queue).

Is this really an answer? Is there something more I could've done to appropriately handle this?

A quick summary of the post:


Question: How do I get cookies from a page using the InternetExplorer.Application object

Answer 1:

External function declaration to sleep the current process (32 bits only)

Segment of code to open up Internet Explorer, load a page, use that external function declaration to sleep until the page has loaded, then get the cookies after the page has finished loading

Answer 2: (NAA imo)

Adaptation to make the external function declaration 64-bits compatible.


Since answer 2 is fully unrelated to the question, or the goal of the question, and only addresses a minor change to make answer 1 more broadly applicable, this is clearly not an answer in my opinion.


The answer on the question this question has been marked a duplicate of, states You flag things posted as answers that do not attempt to answer the question. By that rule, I've flagged the answer, since the answer doesn't attempt to address the question, it instead addresses an issue raised in the comments of the first answer, that the answer is not compatible with 64-bit programs.

I considered incorporating the note this answer gives into the accepted answer, but that does break compatibility with VBA 6 (Microsoft Office 2007 and earlier), and to fix that would require a little more code, and then I'd likely have to add an explanation for every part of the answer since the code would become even less self-explanatory. It's best converted to a comment on the accepted answer in my opinion.

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    That's not "NAA". It is an attempt at answering the question. It may not be the answer, it may not even answer that question, but that doesn't make it "NAA". "NAA" is for gibberish, "Me too" and other not-even-close to an answer posts like that.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 13:54
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    It may not be the answer, it may not even answer that question, but that doesn't make it "NAA".
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 13:57
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    @Braiam: Next time, please ask for clarification before simply removing the duplicate.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 13:58
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    @Braiam: That's what the dupe target said. That citation you need is in the dupe target you removed.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 13:58
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    @Cerbrus [authoritative citation needed] Just because someone decided to write that in a post, doesn't mean its true, specially if it contradicts the help center "Answers that do not fundamentally answer the question may be removed" The help center establish that it's fair game to get such answers deleted. We cannot contradict the help center.
    – Braiam
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 14:01
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    I see you have a "history" on that answer, going as far as trying to rolling back Martijn's rollbacks of your edits. I don't think we're going to agree here. I say that that's how it's been done for a long time. There are moderators that back up that process. The help center doesn't say you need to use the NAA flag to have the answer removed.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 14:04
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    @Braiam: He's in opposition of your interpretation of the help center. You're advocating for the use of the NAA flag, while the help center doesn't tell you to use that flag. It has ben standard practice for ages not to use NAA for these kinds of answers.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 14:08
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    This discussion will be had many a times and will continue to be had due to the literal meaning of NAA. The NAA flag does not mean 'this answer does not answer the question' in the sense that it is not a valid answer, it means that 'this answer is not an answer because it a comment or it is asking for clarification, it is anything but an answer'. I, myself have been stumped by this many times but if you take NAA with what I mentioned above then the rejection of your flag may make more sense. I would advocate to the change of the name of the flag, but I'm not sure what too.
    – Script47
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 14:08
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    @Script47 I know about that, the point is: this one is a comment. It's a good comment on how to make the accepted answer work on 64-bit systems, it fixes the issue noted by this comment. It's NOT an attempt to answer the question, it's an attempt to IMPROVE ANOTHER ANSWER. I get what you're all saying, but it's just not applicable to this case.
    – Erik A
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 14:12
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    @Braiam: That's another discussion. I agree the answer could be bad. NAA just wasn't the right flag.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 14:20
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    Related, but from the opposite perspective: Why would I make a new answer when all I want to do is supplement an existing one?
    – Davy M
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 14:49
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    @Braiam you're conflating delete votes with flags again
    – user4639281
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 16:17
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    If you don't care about the process, can you not be a persistent cause of confusion and frustration for those that do? @Braiam
    – user4639281
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 16:19
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    The fact of the matter is that regardless of whether a delete vote would be applicable, NaA is not.
    – user4639281
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 16:23
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    @Braiam why should the moderator have deleted the answer? It doesn't seem to be in need of moderator intervention as far as I can tell. The community is perfectly capable of dealing with it with delete votes, and no moderation flags apply... I know that it is frustrating that you can't cast delete votes on answers, and as such there's nothing you can do about it, but that doesn't meant that the community at large can't do something about it, which they can.
    – user4639281
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 16:41

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Is this really an answer?

In practice, the NAA flag has been reserved for very obvious non-attempts at answering the question. In this case, you have to squint pretty hard to discover that this answer may be more appropriate as an edit to the accepted answer it mentions. NAA flags should not require any specialized domain knowledge to validate.

And honestly, I'm not so sure that this post deserves deletion. It shouldn't really be a comment because those go away for a whole variety of reasons, and this post contained potentially very helpful information (helpful enough to get an upvote an no downvotes). Possibly, this is better done as an edit, but even then there's no guarantee that the reviewers/author will approve that for the <2k user.

Is there something more I could've done to appropriately handle this?

A custom moderator flag might help, but it's still a very technical problem, which moderators are often hesitant to act upon. You can always downvote and delete vote the post if you think it's that bad. And you can make the edit to the accepted answer to incorporate the details offered in this other post.

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    The litmus test for NAA's according to Shog is "strip markdown and still answer the question". How this answer fares with this test?
    – Braiam
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 14:36
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    Even though it references another answer, it has useful text like "you must update the "Sleep" definition with the PtrSafe keyword" and even the code to do so. That is pretty much what an answer is, code + explanation. It absolutely passes the at-a-glance litmus test.
    – ryanyuyu
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 14:40
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There's a difference between commentary on another answer with the intent of having the author incorporate the suggested improvement and a derivative work on another answer that provides a new answer to the question. While I think this answer is far less useful as a result of only referencing the answer it is a derived work from, rather than actually including enough portions of that answer to be a useful stand alone answer, I do interpret as a new answer. That doesn't make it not an attempt to answer the question, but instead an answer that some (including myself) would argue is less useful as a result of being incomplete.

NAA is for things that aren't even trying to answer the question, not for attempts to answer the question that result in answers that you don't think are useful.

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    I get your point, but disagree with your assessment of the answer. It's not a derivative work, it's a bug fix for the answer, addressing a bug that's not directly related to the question or the code shared in the question in any way. I still stand by that it didn't attempt to answer the question.
    – Erik A
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 14:59
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    @ErikvonAsmuth No, it's not a bug fix for the answer. It's a suggested improvement to allow the answer to cover additional versions of the product. The original answer is perfectly fine when using 32 bit versions of the system, which, given that the original answer appeared to be useful to people, appeared to apply to some portion of the readers. The additional answer described how you could change it to update it for newer versions of the product. Mostly products that didn't even exist at the time the question was originally asked.
    – Servy
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 15:05
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    Ok, bug fix was not the right term, but the underlying point remains, it's not derivative in a way that it holds any solution or attempted solution on its own (and these products certainly did exist back in '12, as noted under the answer the issue occurs with Office 2010)
    – Erik A
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 15:09
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    @ErikvonAsmuth How is updating a solution to add new features to it not a derivative work? Like I said, the answer isn't a good answer, because among other things, it doesn't stand alone well, but that doesn't mean it's not an answer, just not a good one. There are tools for that. They aren't NAA. I didn't say that 64 bit systems didn't exist in '12, just that most of the versions that now require it have come out since. It was less common at the time, it's common now.
    – Servy
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 15:21
  • It's one keyword added to one line of code. It would be a derivative work if it actually copied the answer and implemented it, and I wouldn't have flagged it as NAA, but imo we shouldn't consider it more than a note or comment. I don't think opening new answers to add a single keyword to an existing answer plus some explanation is appropriate on SO, such things should just be addressed in the comments.
    – Erik A
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 15:28
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    Also, note that the answerer did include Wanted this to be a comment, not enough rep. in the comment, a clear indication that it should be converted to a comment
    – Erik A
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 15:29
  • @ErikvonAsmuth i wholeheartedly agree that any answer that says it's a comment, is a comment and not an answer perfectly matching everyone's definition of NAA in this conversation.
    – user623150
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 17:28
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    And as a note to this I would have taken the entire content of the answer and updated it and said "said this is ...'s answer" with a link to the answer and " I have updated his answer to work with 64 bit due to current standard practices of 64 bit."
    – user623150
    Commented Nov 9, 2018 at 17:30

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