Some readers will know that I am a keen editor on the main site (and that I probably spend too much time there). Over time, I have encountered a relatively small number of users who wish to insist on wilful and deliberate writing errors, probably for stylistic reasons.
I have raised this issue on Meta before in various guises:
- Jan 2013 - lower-case "mobile device" posting
- May 2015 - lower-case "mobile device" posting
- Apr 2016 - religious proselytisation
The summary of the responses were as follows (and I have taken them as a sort of de facto policy in each case):
- 2013: a moderator took the view that a "stylish" post can be flagged, if it is clear there is a pattern of deliberate errors over time
- 2015: the community seemed to have a shift in opinion, and suggested that it is better to try to repair some posts from the user in question, and it becomes a flaggable issue only if the user rolls back
- 2016: a moderator indicated that it is best to reason with a user before flagging for a moderator, and that in some cases, a moderator will side with the poster, even in the case of OP rollbacks of improvement edits (e.g. if discussion has become fraught, or that enforcement would be counterproductive in some fashion)
I admit this is not much data to be assuming a trend, and I appreciate that how a specific flag is handled depends on the moderator in question. However, I have a new case. Part of my post here is to draw attention to that case for the community's consideration, and is also to suggest an approach that moderators might take to gently encourage an adherence to technical writing.
New deliberate errors case
So, the new case is as follows. I found a ~20K user† who is writing most of their posts in all-lower-case. I think this is irritating to read, and it is being done deliberately, so to me falls into a different editing category to the main source of errors (which is that the author does not have good English/grammar).
I edited a few of these, and found that some of them were being rolled back by the OP shortly after. I commented under one of their answers, and had a conversation, but this ended with no agreement reached (they did not seem to be amenable to a conversation).
I therefore flagged this:
This high-rep user is writing some of their material in stylistic lower-case. I have repaired it, and it has been silently rolled back. Would you roll back again and consider issuing a warning? Thanks
I received this flag response:
helpful - edit is not very important, let's leave it to answerer's wishes
So, while I respect the time moderators give to the community, I think this decision was wrong. The policy in this area is probably a bit woolly, given that it is impossible to codify everything in one place, but I think I respected the latest Meta advice in force:
- Didn't flag until I saw rollbacks
- Made a civil approach to the author to ask for readability fixes to be kept
- Flagged as a final solution
I think these actions correspond with the various bits of advice given on Meta over the years. I did ask the OP what the purpose of the mobile-phone posting was, but this question was entirely elided.
What kind of writing quality are we aiming for?
Many years ago, Stack Overflow folks used to say something like:
Stack Overflow is not a forum
We're looking for technical writing here
We're closer to Wikipedia than a chat-room
I agree with all of that, but perhaps it is changing? There was a hint in the recent culture-change blog post that perhaps we're editing too much here, and that chatty/stylistic/begging/txtspk/nonsensical questions are examples of individual free expression we should be encouraging.
I exaggerate a bit, of course, but the point I'm making is that it looks like the policy of insisting on high quality material is loosening over the years, and that either moderators are somewhat supportive of that trend, or they are burdened to the degree they can't enforce the level of quality they would like.
To some degree, I would be prepared to lobby for a tightening up of writing quality guidelines. It isn't realistic for Stack Overflow to mirror Wikipedia's editing quality, but their readability is certainly something we should be aiming for. I think the user community is of a similar mind, but it may depend on future changes of direction from the Stack Overflow leadership (since they may wish to go the other way, and loosen things further).
Does any of this matter?
Good question! Well, a bit "yes", and a bit "no". I should say that of all the edits I have made on the site, I'd guess 99.9% of them are accepted without question (mostly because the OP has already left permanently, or doesn't care one way or another about the quality of their questions). So, that's a "no", mostly.
But, it's also a "yes", because it is dispiriting for editors to see their volunteer work thrown away, and it feels unfair that some people making wilful mistakes appear to be above the guidelines we apply to everyone else. While I enjoy improvement work, editing for quality here is probably already a fool's errand, and feeling like one does not have backup may be the final straw.
For what it's worth: I don't believe the moderators are actively biased towards high rep users, but I imagine there is at least some application of the idea that high-rep users producing useful content should not be alienated. There is a sort of trade-off arithmetic here: a heap of good answers written in an irritating fashion is better than no answers at all, if we assume that good answers written in technical writing is not on offer, and that a grumpy OP might prefer to ragequit than amend their style.
Of course, I could just try to let this not bother me, and to try to maintain a mental list of users whose material may not be edited. This is not out of the question, but I am conscious that if I try to be eminently reasonable with flag decisions, I create a situation in which it is easiest to decide against me, because it is suspected I will give way easily (i.e. the wilful writer is thought to be willing to kick up a time-consuming fuss).
Suggested policy approach
I appreciate it adds to moderators' burden, but perhaps in these cases where the trend of stylish posting is unequivocal, a moderator could ping the author privately and ask them to switch to ordinary English writing rules. I would agree this might vary depending on whether the OP appears to be a native speaker or ESL.
It may also help to have some written material about this in the Help section.
In most cases - and there aren't many of these - I think a moderator sending a message will make a sufficient "nudge" to encourage a poster to improve the quality of their output.
If that is not possible, then I'd argue that at least rollbacks that are obviously improvements should be restored. I've been told in the past by one moderator that unequivocal improvements prior to an OP rollback will always be restored by them, but as I have said, this probably varies with each mod.
† - please don't go hunting for them, I am not looking to unleash a Meta effect voting phenomenon.