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I recently stumbled upon a question that was marked as duplicate, followed by the OP editing the question trying to explain why they think the question is not a duplicate. However the user who hammer-closed the question as duplicate keeps removing that explanation, even after I tried to explain why the explanation should not be removed.

IMO, it's the OP's right to try and explain why they think the question is not a duplicate. To be honest, I'm not an expert on the domain of the question, and I'm not questioning the closing reason, nor the explanation the OP added. What I don't agree with is that high-rep user keep removing that explanation.

As I don't want to get sucked into a rollback-war, what are my other options? I already added a commend nicely saying why I think the OP's text should be kept, but in vain.

Note that I don't want to link the question here, unless necessary.

P.S. The question has reopen votes, there's were I stumbled upon it.

Edit Since discussing theoretical issues might not be the best approach, I'm adding a link to the question: Ansible contructing variable name. The OP's explanation might not be good, but it's their contents, it's not rude, it's not offensive, it's related to the question. It should've been kept, IMO.

Edit 2 I'm not trying to debate about the contents of the question, and if it should be closed or not, my only concern was related to the text the OP added after the question was closed, that got removed. IMO, censorship doesn't deserve a place on SO.

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    Your only option is to flag for moderator attention, explain the situation, and let a mod handle it.
    – yivi
    Commented Oct 1, 2018 at 20:46
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    Mind, that I will revert your rollback because it doesn't belong to the question on meta. Regarding this question: you did not link to the question, you did not add the contents of the edit you reverted, you instead add drama and some fake information quote "even after I tried to explain why the explanation should not be removed". How do you think is it answerable?
    – techraf
    Commented Oct 1, 2018 at 20:50
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    @Cristik I won't link the post either, but I completely agree with removing the text. It adds nothing to the question, and has no place being there. The question was a valid duplicate. The only edit to change that should be editing the content of the question, not adding a disclaimer. I also see no comment about leaving his explanation, so either it was removed or it does not exist. Commented Oct 1, 2018 at 20:51
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    How can I get a comment which you deleted?
    – techraf
    Commented Oct 1, 2018 at 20:54
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    @davidism It does say a little more than "no it's not", it attempts to explain why not. (Poorly, but it looks like the OP of that question might not have a full mastery of English.)
    – Kendra
    Commented Oct 1, 2018 at 20:55
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    No, I don't understand what you mean. If you write a comment and delete it, I have no way of seeing it.
    – techraf
    Commented Oct 1, 2018 at 20:55
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    This is what's confusing me. If you don't think there is anything unclear about the question contents, and you agree with the duplicate, why should the question have it's title edited to "This not a duplicate"? I don't understand how that is helpful for someone else who stumbles across the same issue. If I had that problem I would hope that someone else had the issue so I could easily find an answer to it. Commented Oct 1, 2018 at 21:11
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    The question you are discussing is a "typo" question which should be closed and deleted from SO. Because I did not want to engage 4 other people I decided to close it and because similar questions were asked in the past I closed it as a duplicate of one and explained to the OP what they should do. I removed OP's edit to avoid engaging more people in reopening and closing the question again. I honestly do not understand your need to engage whole community here. I hope you will get an answer to this meta question from someone else, because I do not understand it.
    – techraf
    Commented Oct 1, 2018 at 21:15
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    If "you were not asking me", then why did you explicitly add my username to your now deleted comment?
    – techraf
    Commented Oct 1, 2018 at 21:36
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    If the edit doesn't clarify that it isn't a dupe, or does it incorrectly... What's the value in such an edit? I get you want to keep as much of the original poster's content as you can, but if the content adds only noise to the question, it should be removed. No? (Btw your question here says you won't engage in rollback wars... That's good. Don't start now :/)
    – Patrice
    Commented Oct 1, 2018 at 21:50
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    @Cristik we've ALWAYS moderated and removed content. Over those 10 years. Just like we remove 'hello' and 'thanks'. It's not censorship. It's keeping a high signal-to-noise ratio. If the edit isn't making the dupe a non dupe, what purpose does it have?
    – Patrice
    Commented Oct 1, 2018 at 21:58
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    I did read the text. I don't think it makes the question a non-dupe.
    – Patrice
    Commented Oct 1, 2018 at 22:05
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    Man you go EVERYWHERE with this. First it was censorship, now it's about English. I never talked about any of these. I always go back to 'the edit doesn't help de-dupe the question. It's noise'. The rest doesn't and shouldn't matter.
    – Patrice
    Commented Oct 1, 2018 at 22:07
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    @techraf: "Because I did not want to engage 4 other people I decided to close it and because similar questions were asked in the past I closed it as a duplicate of one and explained to the OP what they should do." Do not do that. Your dupe-hammering powers were not given to you to close typo-questions. They were given to you to close duplicate questions. Using a close reason improperly is precisely why we don't trust users to single-vote close questions for other reasons. Commented Oct 2, 2018 at 4:30
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    @NicolBolas This is a duplicate question. To answer it, I would have to write "Fix the indentation". I (and many others) already did that under multitude of questions within this tag. The duplicate target I have chosen for this question was the most appropriate, because it related to the same with_-loop declaration that this question had failed.
    – techraf
    Commented Oct 2, 2018 at 5:14

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To be fair this should have been closed as a typo instead, then no edits to the question would have been necessary.

This is because the duplicate close banner actually encourages the asker to edit the question to explain# why the question isn't a duplicate of the linked question. One could have just pointed out in the comments that the typo/code formatting was the issue.

Also, please do not engage in a rollback war (multiple rollbacks performed on the same post in succession). You can use the comments to clarify and resolve the situation first, or flag for moderator attention if a consensus cannot be reached.


# The duplicate banner close text the asker sees is:

This question has been asked before and already has an answer. If those answers do not fully address your question, please edit this question to explain how it is different or ask a new question.

This is slightly different from what everyone else sees, and was probably implemented in 2013 described in this blog post.

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    What banner are you talking about? While I am not sure what exactly the OP of a duplicate-closed questions sees, but what everyone else does is "This question has been asked before and already has an answer. If those answers do not fully address your question, please ask a new question." I don't get how you can describe it as "encouraging the user to edit the question and explain", so maybe you meant some other. Would you mind including it in your answer?
    – techraf
    Commented Oct 2, 2018 at 7:28
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    Close. The exact text is: "This question has been asked before and already has an answer. If those answers do not fully address your question, please edit this question to explain how it is different or ask a new question." Commented Oct 2, 2018 at 7:37
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    Sorry, but I don't understand what you are trying to communicate by writing the noun "close". The message looks exactly this way. Would you mind elaborating? Is the message different depending on the user?
    – techraf
    Commented Oct 2, 2018 at 7:47
  • @techraf I have a question that got marked as duplicate, here's a screenshot of how the banner looks like to me: i.imgur.com/yQq5i5N.png. It's exactly as the others say.
    – Cristik
    Commented Oct 2, 2018 at 9:55
  • Not sure if admins just changed the dupe text, because I swear I copied the text from a duped question in my previous comment, but here's an example in the help center stackoverflow.com/help/closed-questions (screenshot before this is changed too(?) i.sstatic.net/pU3Ji.png) This same close text was also described in the blog here stackoverflow.blog/2013/06/25/the-war-of-the-closes Commented Oct 2, 2018 at 9:57
  • Perhaps the "edit" wording only displays under certain conditions now. This is all too confusing. Commented Oct 2, 2018 at 9:59
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    @SamuelLiew the banner looks different for the OP vs. rest of the users. For my question I see exactly the message you were referring to, for other questions I see the one without the edit part (likely because I should be the one that clarifies the duplication stuff)
    – Cristik
    Commented Oct 2, 2018 at 10:01
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    Even aside from the banner text, "explain how your question isn't a duplicate" is exactly the advice given on meta to every user wanting to dispute duplicate closure: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252252/…
    – BSMP
    Commented Oct 2, 2018 at 16:21

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