TL;DR After considerable downvotes, a question gets improves to no longer warrant the downvotes but they are rarely reverse since users move on. How can we prevent this situation or encourage users to revisit downvoted questions after they are edited?
This is a topic that's been on my mind for a few years now. A particular example of this happened today and got me thinking of how to present it. A person presented code as an image. There were quite a few comments. There was pressure in the comments. Ultimately the OP edited the question to have an MCVE (the ultimate goal). Although the question was then closed as a duplicate, the person actually got an answer, instead of walking away feeling scolded and still none the wiser. They may even end up being one of our top contributors in years to come. Who knows.
I've included redacted screen shots of the comments. When I arrived at the post it had 8 downvotes.
The user took on board the feedback, did get a little antsy with the pressure, but ultimately it was a good finish IMO.
The orange numbers indicate flags on the comments, some flags were marked helpful some were declined. You'll note some of the comments that weren't flagged were actually deleted. (Ultimately this is not about that, but may be of interest to see the day in the life of a mod and how we/I think)
Spam and Rude/Abusive flags
It takes 6 spam or R/A flags to delete a post:
6* red flags: post is locked and deleted, ...
When a question or answer is deleted as spam or rude/abusive, each spam or R/A flag (or red flag) casts an automatic downvote.
Each red flag, during its validity, carries an implicit downvote from the Community user, and it does not affect the flagger’s reputation.
If the spam or R/A flags are cleared on a post, the downvotes are automatically reversed.
Basically these types posts are limited to an extent to how many downvotes they receive, as they're usually deleted quite quickly off the site, thanks to smoke detector and the charcoal team.
Closing and Deleting posts
When a post is off topic or low quality people are encouraged to downvote, and/or flag or vote to close it and/or delete it.
It takes 5 close votes to put a question on hold, 3 delete votes to delete a post, 4 recommend deletion votes from the low quality queue to delete a post.
The ability to delete a post quickly once it is closed is limited to >20k rep users, moderators and the community team. <20k rep and >10k rep holders need to wait 2 days.
Excessive downvoting
Now what happens when a post is put on hold and it continues to gain downvotes? A user posted code as an image. They didn't post an MCVE. The post makes it to meta. The OP becomes argumentative under the stress of feeling overwhelmed with downvotes and comments (it happens to the best of us). Whatever the reason a post gets >6 downvotes. Sometimes significantly more than an offensive post would normally get.
Now, the user edits the post and makes it on topic and improve its quality (yes, it does happen). Rarely are the downvotes reversed, the original voters have moved on (the site is huge), but the poster is left with a heavily downvoted post. This does not provide a good incentive for users to want to improve their posts.
Personally, I see a disparity between the amount of downvotes a low quality post may get compared to a genuine spam or rude/abusive post. To me it's a flaw in the system. We're ultimately wanting people to improve things and there's many people who have false starts. I don't see how lathering on excessive downvotes achieves anything to actually improve the site. Afterall it only takes a net of 3 downvotes to remove a post from the front page.
Honestly, if we have posts worthy of >3 downvotes, they probably shouldn't be on the site (yes historically that can be argued, but realistically looking at new posts). Is there any value on having >3 net downvotes on new posts?
Should excessive downvotes be converted to delete votes?
Do we need to rate limit downvotes on main?
Any suggestions of how to improve this?
Do we need to improve this?
related:
How many down-votes is enough for a user to understand their problem? |
https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/168565/310756
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