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How to deal with an abusive user (answerer plus abuser to other answers)

The discussion have a reference to the question Selenium: ElementNotVisibleException while trying to click the element with text as My Account onhttps://www.phptravels.net/.

There are total 6 answerers to this question who have provided an answer each to this question and one of the answerer have went ahead and published the following comments for the accepted answer and possibly have downvoted the question and the other upvoted answers too, out of rage.

  • Comment A:

You should not accept an answer because someone is begging you. Please accept the answer which correctly addresses the issue. Element to be clicked or element to become visible nothing to do with your problem, your problem is in the wrong xpath formation. So don't accept the answer because people are begging you.

  • Comment B:

This answer doesn't deserve for the up-voting, this answer doesn't address the issue clearly. Read my answer to know the problem !

  • Comment C:

Please read my answer where I have detailed the problem clearly, the given xpath is not pointing out your targeted element, that's why it fails

So my question is:

  • Doesn't the comments CommentA and CommentB violates our "Be Nice" policy.?
  • Earlier I have marked a couple of this concerned user's comments as rude and abusive and no longer needed and in need of moderator intervention which were deleted but is there any other way to deal with a repeated offender?
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    If you believe a user is rude or abusive as a rule, just flag any of their posts for moderator attention and explain the situation. No need to do anything else, or to bring the issues to meta, IMO.
    – yivi
    Jul 25, 2018 at 10:50
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    Personally, I wouldn't say those are "rude" comments, but certainly flaggable as "no longer needed". At least the first two, although the first comment does have some information that could be pertinent to the post.
    – yivi
    Jul 25, 2018 at 10:51
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    I've flagged the lot of them as "no longer needed". The user in question is accusing the OP here of "begging" for an accept vote, which is a blatant lie. I'd argue that this is darn close to "harassment".
    – Cerbrus
    Jul 25, 2018 at 10:52
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    You should flag comments and let a moderator handle it instead of calling out a user in a meta post. For the sake of transperancy, I have added a comment in the post in question to let them know the post is being brought up here
    – Suraj Rao
    Jul 25, 2018 at 10:53
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    @yivi I don't think I have said anything wrong over there seriously. You may read my comments over there. I completely convinced that The answer that he has written has not address the issue. I used the word begging because he was urging the user to accept his answers faster. Can you please read the comments which I have written on his answer please ? You can understand what I mean here. Jul 25, 2018 at 10:55
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    SO users tend to care a lot about the quality of the answers at the site. If they stop caring then there is no point in keeping the site alive. Calling this concern "abusive" is not appropriate. Simply flagging these comments as "no longer needed" is all it takes. Jul 25, 2018 at 10:55
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    @Rajagopalan: "This answer doesn't deserve for the up-voting", "You should not accept an answer because someone is begging you.", That's not acceptable. Nor is pushing an OP to accept your answer. Your comments on there weren't in line with SO's CoC.
    – Cerbrus
    Jul 25, 2018 at 10:58
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    @Rajagopalan: All i can see id you repeating over and over how the accepted answer shouldn't be accepted, and telling the OP to look at your answer.
    – Cerbrus
    Jul 25, 2018 at 11:01
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    Accepting answer is not a competition I think , OP have the right to choose which answer helps him the most. Jul 25, 2018 at 11:02
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    @Rajagopalan If you've already had less than pleasant interactions with one user, I'd advise you to look for different questions to answer/comment to instead.
    – yivi
    Jul 25, 2018 at 11:05
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    @Rajagopalan It's simply a piece of advice. Looking for confrontations in SO is not the smartest idea. You do not want to be this person.
    – yivi
    Jul 25, 2018 at 11:10
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    @yivi there are many places he continue to give wrong answer , when I let him know he is writing the wrong answer he Looses his temper, he is not having the open mind set to receive what others are talking. Jul 25, 2018 at 11:12
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    @Rajagopalan Just. Walk. Away. By engaging in this you are becoming part of the problem, not part of the solution.
    – yivi
    Jul 25, 2018 at 11:13
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    don't know if you know but first comment could be deleted by a single flag because it contains trigger-word "acc/ept"
    – gnat
    Jul 25, 2018 at 12:31
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    @Rajagopalan rather than leave a comment, vote or mod flag. Whatever you do, don't argue or provoke. If you think a user is targeting you with revenge downvotes, please raise a custom mod flag on a post.
    – user3956566
    Jul 31, 2018 at 16:51

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The full discourse of the discussion:

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It's ok to say an answer is wrong and explain why. However, that badgering under your answer is not acceptable. Leave one comment, to continually berate the poster is not ok.

It's ok to leave multiple comments if you're discussing an issue with someone and it's a mutual dialog, just not if one person really doesn't want to hear what the other has to say. Doesn't matter how right you are. Walk away.

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You should not accept an answer because someone is begging you. Please accept the answer which correctly addresses the issue. Element to be clicked or element to become visible nothing to do with your problem, your problem is in the wrong xpath formation. So don't accept the answer because people are begging you.

This is not rude imo. A rude/abusive flag would be marked helpful, as it's not nice either. This type of comment is not needed and would be deleted with any flag raised.

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This answer doesn't deserve for the up-voting, this answer doesn't address the issue clearly. Read my answer to know the problem !

This is rude.

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Please read my answer where I have detailed the problem clearly, the given xpath is not pointing out your targeted element, that's why it fails

The best comment, the user should have made this one comment and walked away. Again, leave one comment, and if that doesn't seem to be effective, you can always walk away.

Next time, flag one of the comments for mod attention explaining what is happening and the mods can do a clean up and have a word with the other user if necessary.

Flag any comment you think isn't appropriate for the site and walk away.

Please note, asking people to upvote your answer is not particularly helpful and the exclamation marks make it worse.

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    Wow. We've actually reached the point where stating that an answer is wrong is considered rude. We've been moving in that direction of course, but I never thought the site would stray so far from it's desire for quality content that merely stating that an answer is wrong is considered inappropriate. Is it really more important to prevent the author from being told that their answer is wrong than it is to help everyone else in the world who benefits from being informed of that.
    – Servy
    Jul 25, 2018 at 13:22
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    @Servy: I think the problem is in "doesn't deserve for"... That comment reads like "This answer is baaad, my answer is goood, look at my answer!"
    – Cerbrus
    Jul 25, 2018 at 13:23
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    @Cerbrus That doesn't make it rude. You could certainly make an argument for "no longer needed". Again, saying that an answer is bad isn't rude. That people are saying as much is demonstrating that they don't care in the slightest about quality, which is ostensibly what is supposed to be different about this site.
    – Servy
    Jul 25, 2018 at 13:25
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    @Servy it's the "This answer doesn't deserve for the up-voting," part. No one said you can't say an answer is wrong.
    – user3956566
    Jul 25, 2018 at 13:26
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    @Servy: Debatable, imo. I think it's at the same level as those people in front of a restaurant trying to drag you inside... I'd call it "rude".
    – Cerbrus
    Jul 25, 2018 at 13:27
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    @Servy: Depending on how you say it. "This answer sucks" is rude. "This answer is wrong" isn't.
    – Cerbrus
    Jul 25, 2018 at 13:28
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    @Cerbrus I don't see how it's debatable at all to say that expressing your opinion on the quality of a post is inherently rude. And note that the "rude and abusive" flag isn't there just for "any action which violates social etiquette". If you want to go with that analogy, proper etiquette would state that one of the rudest things you can do is tell someone else that they have been rude. So by those standards this answer is unacceptably rude.
    – Servy
    Jul 25, 2018 at 13:47
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    @Servy: "it was demonstrably proven false": debatable. "your mistake": In your perception. I often disagree with Yvette, but Servy, you're being just as stubborn here.
    – Cerbrus
    Jul 25, 2018 at 13:55
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    @Servy: "just as stubborn". Equal. The same.
    – Cerbrus
    Jul 25, 2018 at 14:02
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    @Servy: "that have no effect..." Maybe not in your perception, but yours is not the only one. I'm just saying, I can understand why a rude flag on that would be validated.
    – Cerbrus
    Jul 25, 2018 at 14:20
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    @Servy So the only reason you can put forth for why it's not rude is that you say so, and nothing else?
    – Cerbrus
    Jul 25, 2018 at 14:22
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    So, my opinion and a moderator's opinion, are meaningless if I can't prove that something is rude? How do you even prove rudeness? That's silly.
    – Cerbrus
    Jul 25, 2018 at 14:26
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    @Servy: "you should be able to provide some supporting arguments for the position beyond just the mere statement that you think it's rude." OK, here's one argument: repeated haranguing someone is rude. Posting a single comment explaining that the post is wrong is fine. Posting multiple such comments when others are not responding to your earlier comment is rude. That makes every comment after the first increasingly rude. Jul 25, 2018 at 14:52
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    @Servy: And in every single such comment, the answerer is getting pinged, whether they're @ mentioned or not. So the "This answer doesn't deserve for the up-voting" is simply belaboring the point. Jul 25, 2018 at 15:12
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    @NicolBolas So you're saying that the comment you just posted is rude, because you're replying to me on Yvette's answer? Again, several of those comments shouldn't have been posted, and merited deletion, but that doesn't make them rude.
    – Servy
    Jul 25, 2018 at 15:19
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It's not appropriate of you to be posting comments to try to get the author of the question to accept your answer. It would have been better if that commentor would have flagged your comments, rather than commenting on them to explain why that's not appropriate behavior here. Once your comments were eventually deleted, their comments became obsolete and merited deletion for pointing out problems with your deleted comments.

Posting a comment on someone else's answer to say that they should read your answer is just redundant. We don't need everyone telling everyone else to read their answers instead. Feel free to flag as "no longer needed".

The third comment, summarizing why the answer is wrong and directing users to their answers for further information and details is appropriate and useful. Similarly to how link only answers are evaluated, this is a comment that is useful in it's own right, but also includes direction to further reading elsewhere. This comment is appropriate, and should not have been removed (at least not until your answer was edited to address the problems it raises).

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    hey this answer says the same thing mine does. Come and read my answer and accept and upvote it!! This one doesn't deserve upvotes, it's a copy of mine!! (now is this rude?)
    – user3956566
    Jul 25, 2018 at 14:33
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    Looking at the screenshot Yvette provided, DebanjanB only asked for upvotes once, and explicitly mentioned "any answer" to be the target of said votes. (That's meh, but not necessarily wrong). He doesn't seem to have asked for an "accept" vote, so that seems to be misinformation from Rajagopalan.
    – Cerbrus
    Jul 25, 2018 at 14:37
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    @YvetteColomb No, your comment isn't rude, it's just demonstrably wrong. I'm more than happy to explain why it's wrong, rather than feeling the need to flag your comment as being rude due to an inability or unwillingness to let my arguments stand on their own merits. While both of us come to the same conclusion as to which of the comments should be deleted, we disagree (strongly) as to why. This is a big deal. A comment being considered "rude" is very different from a comment being considered appropriate, but now obsolete.
    – Servy
    Jul 25, 2018 at 14:39
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    The main difference is that we don't want people going around flagging comments pointing out problems that have not yet been resolved, even though we're okay with them (correctly) flagging criticisms that have since been resolved. Additionally, there can be consequences for "rude" comments, beyond just deletion. That's not true of obsolete comments.
    – Servy
    Jul 25, 2018 at 14:39
  • @Cerbrus I don't see how someone asking for upvotes versus accepts is a relevant difference. Neither is appropriate. The comment should be flagged and deleted regardless.
    – Servy
    Jul 25, 2018 at 14:40
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    My point is that Rajagopalan was grossly exaggerating how DebanjanB was behaving. This answer seems to be (partially) based on Rajagopalan's statements.
    – Cerbrus
    Jul 25, 2018 at 14:41
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    @Cerbrus Saying acceptance, rather than upvotes (especially given that the answer was in fact accepted, not upvoted) is a minor mistake. I don't really see it as an exaggeration, merely an understandable slip of the tongue.
    – Servy
    Jul 25, 2018 at 14:43
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    @Servy tbh I think that we are being tied up in knots about what we can and cannot say. I disagreed with your interpretation of my answer.
    – user3956566
    Jul 25, 2018 at 14:43
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    @Servy: I disagree. "I used the word begging because he was urging the user to accept his answers faster." <-- He wasn't confusing "accepting" with "upvoting" there. That sentence is "fake news". It's a lie to make the OP here look bad.
    – Cerbrus
    Jul 25, 2018 at 14:45
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    @YvetteColomb Yes, you're quite right that the issue that we cannot agree on is what is or is not appropriate for people to say. You've said that you disagree with my interpretation of your answer, but not why it's not a valid interpretation of your answer (or edited the answer to make it clear that it cannot be interpreted that way). I feel that it's very important that people be able to comment on an answer to say that it's not useful and why, and not be accused of being rude as a way of silencing valid criticism.
    – Servy
    Jul 25, 2018 at 14:46
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    @Cerbrus But it's not a lie. He was urging the OP to upvote his answer.
    – Servy
    Jul 25, 2018 at 14:53
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    @Servy: Yes, upvote. But Rajagopalan is claiming he's demanding to have his answer accepted. That's demonstrably incorrect. And he only asked once to have helpful answers upvoted. That's not that bad, and certainly didn't warrant Rajagopalan's multiple comments.
    – Cerbrus
    Jul 25, 2018 at 14:56
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    @Servy Honestly, I think you're blowing that a little out of proportion. Yes, he suggested upvoting. He, however, suggested upvoting an answer that was helpful to a new(er) user. He did it once, did not specify only his answer, and explicitly said any answer. Now, if it was only his answer he said should be upvoted, I'd agree with you all day. But he didn't, he said any answer.
    – Kendra
    Jul 25, 2018 at 14:56
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    ... What? Where are you getting that nonsense from? Now you're just deliberately misinterpreting me.
    – Cerbrus
    Jul 25, 2018 at 15:00
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    Well, @Servy, you’ve shown how people are capable of consistently mis-interpreting comments, so I guess that, in theory, it’s possibly he repeatedly mistakingly accused the OP of solliciting an accept vote... Or he’s just sour because his answer didn’t get accepted. Wouldn’t be the first time.
    – Cerbrus
    Jul 25, 2018 at 16:06

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