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This is intentionally a because it's a proposal for a change in an existing feature.

I just swamped through a dozen or so posts from the "Help & Improvement" review queue and managed to click on "question is very low quality" for virtually all of them. This action appears impactless since it doesn't translate to a Close Vote.

This is surely not the intended outcome of using this review queue. My feature request is to remove this queue until it becomes useful by some fundamental changes.

Such a step, of course, relies on the community agreeing with my view on its uselessness or lack of clarity on usage. The consensus to date (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) seems to agree.

The main gripe seems to be a reviewer can't easily VTC a really poor question which reaches this queue, which seems like a waste of valuable resources (i.e. reviewer time).

If the problem is upstream, i.e. posts incorrectly feed H&I, then there's an even stronger argument: the small number of posts reaching H&I will become even smaller.

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    This action appears impactless since it doesn't translate to a Close Vote. No, but it does translate in a VLQ flag and from my own experience impact your declined flag rate ...
    – rene
    Commented May 29, 2018 at 11:26
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    @rene, Fair point. I guess my general issue (as also raised by others) is that if I've taken the time to review a post, I should have the ability to VTC it if it's inadequate. Each review queue may have a different name, but internally we are asking ourselves the same questions each time (Is this a good question for SO? How can it be made into a good Q&A?).
    – jpp
    Commented May 29, 2018 at 11:29
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    Posts that end up here usually come from Triage reviews ending in "Requires Editing", am I correct?
    – Jesse
    Commented May 29, 2018 at 11:32
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    @JessedeBruijne yes, that path is severely broken. Maybe everyone who clicks "requires edting" should get an instant review ban.... my bet is that the quality of the reviews will increase drastically with that measure ...
    – rene
    Commented May 29, 2018 at 11:33
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    There's probably been a dozen questions about this too, but the "Requires Editing" button is often used when the reviewer wants the OP to edit it (add extra information, add MVCE, etc.), and therefore they cannot be helped by other reviewers in H&I, resulting in OP's 'frustration'.
    – Jesse
    Commented May 29, 2018 at 11:39
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    @JessedeBruijne, Yes, a few of the links in my post refers to this common problem. But if you remove these posts from H&I, are you left with much else? I suspect not given its already small size.
    – jpp
    Commented May 29, 2018 at 11:40
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    Most reviews that I've seen in H&I are just very minor edits. They don't teach new users how to use the site, which I thought was the idea behind this queue. I see no added value for this queue, so in favor of dropping it. Commented May 29, 2018 at 11:47
  • @S.L.Barth They don't teach new users how to use the site, which I thought was the idea behind this queue. That's what the [First Posts] queue is for, isn't it?
    – Jesse
    Commented May 29, 2018 at 11:48
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    @JessedeBruijne When H&I was introduced, guidance was explicitly one of the goals. There's some overlap between FP on the one hand, and Triage/H&I on the other hand. Since the latter two fail, I say we just roll them into First Posts. Commented May 29, 2018 at 11:55
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    How about some intermediary function: We remove H&I but keep "Needs improvement". Flagging Needs Improvement will then pull up a flag menu, where users can pick reasons what is lacking in this post, Needs MCVE; Too broad; etc. After amassing X number of Needs Improvement flags the post is hidden on the site, and only visible to OP, together with a notification that this happend, he should improve his post, and what communitys major concern with his post is.
    – Luuklag
    Commented May 29, 2018 at 12:39
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    H&I is already a 'close vote feeder queue' AFAIC, and I gave up at 250 reviews. If a close vote could be cast from the queue and would count as a review (or better still, the queue actually contained on-topic questions which would benefit from a polish) I might spend some time there but for now, meh. Commented May 29, 2018 at 12:47
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    @StephenKennedy Well done for getting to 250, I gave up after 1...
    – DavidG
    Commented May 29, 2018 at 12:55
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    @ChristianGollhardt, I'd say related.. There's a difference: that was a [discussion] 6 months ago; today it's a [feature-request].
    – jpp
    Commented May 29, 2018 at 13:48
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    @jpp Just because a question is mis-tagged doesn't mean you need to ask it again with the correct tags. All you need to do is edit it to fix the tags.
    – Servy
    Commented May 29, 2018 at 13:49
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    @DonaldDuck It was a very recent change. I want to say last month some time (plus or minus a few weeks). The problem now is that there are simply thousands of reviewers who have trained themselves that "requires editing" is what you click for every bad post you see. They don't go reading the guidelines because they've already read them and they "know" that they're supposed to click "requires editing" for every bad post, and have had it ingrained in them over the course of many years.
    – Servy
    Commented May 29, 2018 at 13:53

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