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Obviously it is a bit early to ask, but still I am wondering if "things" are already changing.

I just used an enforced one-day cool down period to have a look around, and it seems to me that at least on the Java tag, there are less of the harsh comments that "not welcoming" is about (at least in my eyes that is one of the major problems).

But single "anecdotal" stories aren't evidence. Therefore I am wondering: are there any statistics (or better: observable trends) that indicate of changing behavior, as in:

  • Has the number of flagged comments increased? Already answered here
  • Have our moderators decided to be more sensitive, as in: not only delete comments where required, but also get back to users more often?
  • Do you flag more often now, or do you comment on "unwelcoming" comments more often now?

(For the record: this is not a complaint about getting suspended. I was too sarcastic and agree that changing "tone" will indeed be a helpful practice for me.)

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    Welcome to Meta! Please not that voting here doesn't always reflect the quality of your question; it might indicate (dis)agreement.
    – Glorfindel
    May 24, 2018 at 11:31
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    </obvious sarcasm>
    – Glorfindel
    May 24, 2018 at 11:31
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    @Glorfindel I came here to let go of all sarcasm. And now that. Sigh.
    – GhostCat
    May 24, 2018 at 11:32
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    There seems to be a trend where people post a lot of questions about welcoming. Or using it as a shield/weapon. May 24, 2018 at 11:43
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    Two notable statistics I saw. The number of downvotes fell by ~20%, but is slowly recovering. The number of bountied questions jumped up from the usual low 300s to 400+. Whether that's because lousy questions don't get closed anymore and can progress to a bounty or that skilled contributors exited the building is not obvious to me yet. May 24, 2018 at 11:51
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    @HansPassant Could it be that since everyone is more welcoming, people put in more effort because they feel appreciated, and thus quality has increased substantially, so less downvotes are needed, and more people are starting bounties to award draw attention to the new influx of high-quality questions and answers?
    – Erik A
    May 24, 2018 at 12:51
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    Oh wait no that's totally ridiculous, ignore my previous comment
    – Erik A
    May 24, 2018 at 12:52
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    Ask again after 'Homework Sunday':( May 24, 2018 at 13:31
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    quoting self, "just wait for a few months and you will probably see something like that happening again. As long as poor content floods the site and as long as quality measures are insufficient to manage it, there will always be multiple snarky comments from frustrated site regulars..." May 24, 2018 at 15:22
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    I think more people just more likely to stick to down vote/vote to close, move on and are even more likely to ignore or flag down voter explain as rude/no longer needed and the mods are more likely to delete those as well, if anything.
    – user177800
    May 24, 2018 at 16:06
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    more welcoming is the same as less unwelcoming and I have not seen any proof that there is/was any systemic intentional unwelcoming behavior that any significant portion of the community was engaged in to begin with so I am not really sure this question is based on anything the community can affect to begin with. feeling welcomed/unwelcomed is 100% on the feeler. They are the only person in control of how they feel. If some random person clicking on an arrow makes them feel something, it is not the random clicking persons fault or responsibility, only the feeler can change it.
    – user177800
    May 24, 2018 at 16:10
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    I find it weird that this question -- a conversation starter which is straightforward and not acutely opinionated -- currently has twelve downvotes amidst a +13/-12 vote split.
    – duplode
    May 24, 2018 at 16:53
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    @duplode, I'm an upvoter. But perhaps people disagree with having a discussion because they're getting a bit bored of it all?
    – jpp
    May 24, 2018 at 16:56
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    @duplode I think the people that downvoted this could have done it from the 'been there, discussed that, can we just move on already?' perspective... I don't agree, but maybe they think all that had to be said has been said so this shouldn't be a new question
    – Patrice
    May 24, 2018 at 17:21
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    Anecdotally, I've seen a lot more upvotes on trash posts from low-rep users. May 24, 2018 at 23:06

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Voting data is fun, but inconclusive.

There might, be a slight drop in the percent of downvotes:

Tiny blip down in downvote percent

But, the downvote percent just against "low-rep users" doesn't look promising:

Downvote % on posts by low-rep users

But that trailing spike may be because of posts bound for deletion that aren't present in older data?

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    You can use the PostsWithDeleted table. It will be only useful for the later table data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/855843/…, through not seeing much difference.
    – Braiam
    May 25, 2018 at 1:25
  • @Braiam, OwnerUserId is nulled out on deleted posts, so that doesn't help. May 25, 2018 at 1:38
  • Oh, well, that only leaves Shog.
    – Braiam
    May 25, 2018 at 1:39
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    Shog and/or waiting a few more weeks and rechecking... May 25, 2018 at 1:41
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    I don't think down votes are indicators of "un-welcoming-ness" of the site. If anything, that drop in the down votes is concerning because a considerable amount of poor questions might be getting through. May 25, 2018 at 3:39
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    @NisargShah, The writers of the original blog post disagree and downvotes are an evergreen complaint. But even if you were right, the original claims need to be examined with objective data. May 25, 2018 at 3:54
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    @NisargShah, Not only do users frequently complain about downvotes, but the whole system is deliberately set up to favor upvotes and discourage dwnvotes. Downvotes: (1) Barely effect the recipient's rep (2) Downvotes on answers cost. Do the right thing by downvoting a bad answer and it penalizes you as well as the bad content purveyor! (3) Downvotes swing 3 to 5 times less rep than upvotes (4) The requirements to downvote are 8 times higher than to upvote. (4) Downvoting posts often triggers meta complaints -- costing mod effort. All because downvotes ARE viewed as unwelcoming. May 25, 2018 at 4:21
  • @Brock I would phrase that last sentence slightly differently: "All because downvotes are VIEWED as unwelcoming." Also, among the examples given in the answers here, I don't see anything pointing at downvotes being the core problem. May 25, 2018 at 5:28
  • @NisargShah, who said it was the core problem? It's one more clue about whether an issue really exists and how severe it might be. Downvotes are one way of being "Unwelcoming" and you just linked to one of the great many posts making that clear. But you claimed the opposite in your original comment! May 25, 2018 at 5:43
  • @Brock Downvotes are one way of being "Unwelcoming" - No, they are intended to control quality. I don't think downvotes are the problem, the problem is that they are perceived as unwelcoming. Those are two different things. A drop in downvotes doesn't mean that individually they are also perceived as less unwelcoming. If SO really thinks downvotes are the problem, they should remove the downvote buttons. Problem solved. May 25, 2018 at 6:02
  • What you are seeing in those charts is, people misled by that blog (and subsequent meta posts) into believing that not casting downvotes on poor questions will magically make the site more welcoming. May 25, 2018 at 6:08
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    Downvotes are not unwelcoming in themsevles, they are 'felt' as unwelcoming because they often appear instead of an answer. The only thing that matters is that no answer has appeared. If there are downvotes, it must be the downvotes that prevented an answer appearing. If there is a comment, it must be the comment author that prevented an answer appearing. Anythng, at all, that is not an answer is unwelcoming. Downvotes. mods, curators, comments are all unwelcome because I DON'T HAVE MY ANSWER AND ITS SOMETHING OR SOMEBODY'S FAULT! May 25, 2018 at 8:23
  • I think it would be natural if those spikes escalate during periods when lots of programming assignments have to be finished in school. How consistent such periods are world-wide, I don't know. Just before Christmas might be one such period at least in western countries. The majority of SO users are located in Europe, US and India.
    – Lundin
    May 25, 2018 at 9:26
  • @BrockAdams I played a bit with your SEDE query for low rep users. If I enter 1 or 3 as max reputation, downvote percentages reach above 95%, if I enter 5 it falls slightly below 95% . These numbers are however relative, so I wonder what happens when we plot this against the actual amount of new users.
    – Luuklag
    May 25, 2018 at 9:48
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    Whelp, with the start of a new month, we see that plot one's downtick isn't carrying into June... Jun 4, 2018 at 3:11

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