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The link to review is here (screenshot for <10k users).

The question seems to be fine, but comment section seems unrelated. Looks like the post had some issue with it, but was edited later and those issues were resolved. Since the question was deleted, there is no way to check this. The way it is currently presented it looks perfectly fine.

I think it should be removed from a list of audit questions.

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That doesn't matter. Everyone agrees that the audit selection system / mechanism is flawed.

However, we just can't expect computer programs to work flawlessly. At present, it only knows whether a post is deleted as spam (or low-quality). We can't expect it to know whether it actually is spam, let alone why it is spam (or LQ).

Don't worry. Just move on to reviewing and ignore the consequences of bad audit choices. Post more Meta questions if you're still encountering bad audits.

BSMP's comment sounds very right to me:

Having the meta record of bad audit encounters is useful should they end up with a review ban. Moderators can't remove individual audits from their record, but they can undo bans.

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    Having the meta record of bad audit encounters is useful should they end up with a review ban. Moderators can't remove individual audits from their record, but they can undo bans.
    – BSMP
    May 13, 2018 at 13:08
  • I once saw the same spam post being presented to me as an audit at least 5 times (that was in VLQ queue), so I assume spam posts are reused. I hoped there is a way to remove this one from audits so that other people wouldn't fail with it. If there is no way to do this, then it is not a big deal, I guess.
    – user1143634
    May 14, 2018 at 16:04
  • @Ivan Moderators can remove posts from audits by clearing spam flags on the post.
    – iBug
    May 14, 2018 at 16:14
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The user originally posted an answer in their question, but their answer seems to be misinformed at best.

The original question for < 10K:

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The answer for < 10K:

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They keep thinking of Java classes in the same analogy as C structs, which is...inappropriate. It also seems to be the case that they're promoting a library to "get around" this issue when it's not apparent that it's an issue at all. No sensible Java developer unless they were doing anything with Java Native Interfaces would care about structs.

It reads like a spammy attempt at promotion, so it's fine that it's deleted in my mind. This is a case in which at a glance it's tough to identify, so I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt in the review at least. (Not that it counts for anything, though.)

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    I am more concerned with the fact that the question was edited (inappropriate content was removed) and is now used for audits in its fixed form. Imo it should either be reverted or not used for audits.
    – user1143634
    May 10, 2018 at 20:28
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    @Ivan They just moved the spam from the question to an answer, they didn't remove the spam.
    – Servy
    May 10, 2018 at 20:30
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    @Servy "Answer" section is not visible there. It only shows a question. There is no way to that this happened.
    – user1143634
    May 10, 2018 at 20:32
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    @Ivan It was a question posted for the sole purpose of them posting spam as an answer to it.
    – Servy
    May 10, 2018 at 20:32
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    @Makoto There is no answer in the question or at least I am not able to see it (because I have less than 10k rep?). Your screenshots do no match my view of the question.
    – user1143634
    May 10, 2018 at 20:32
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    @Makoto That is my point. The audit is pointless - it presents perfectly valid question without any "answers" or even links.
    – user1143634
    May 10, 2018 at 20:34
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    @Ivan That question is there merely to be a platform for spam. It was deleted as spam, and correctly, because it's spam. Now you have a valid argument that it was difficult for you to identify why the post was spam from the review queue, and that is an issue, but the post is spam.
    – Servy
    May 10, 2018 at 20:39
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    @Servy I am not arguing that it was deleted wrongly. In fact I specifically said why it was likely deleted in my question. I am arguing that it should not be used for audits. Or its original version should be instead.
    – user1143634
    May 10, 2018 at 20:40
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    They know that Java object are not C structs, as directly said in the question. And their question is how to get around it. I think the question is fine.
    – user202729
    May 11, 2018 at 1:36
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    Don't forget that this question is about audit. My point was that the post was edited before it was removed and is now presented to people as an audit, while it has no inappropriate content. Remember that you only see a question, not the answer when going through Triage queue.
    – user1143634
    May 11, 2018 at 14:12
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    This answer (and ensuing comments) seems to be missing the point of the question: that due to the edits it is impossible for those with <10k rep to "correctly" grade this audit; and so because of this, it should be removed from audit. May 11, 2018 at 22:28
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    @Makoto - but surely the only way to know that the question is deleted is to try to open the actual question in another tab. Are you suggesting that every triage reviewer should be doing that for every single question? May 12, 2018 at 15:09
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    If you should open every single question, the review queue shouldn't be trying to hamstring you with a "partial" view. The question with the latter half edited out is obviously not delete worthy taken at face value
    – Passer By
    May 12, 2018 at 17:08
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    " No sensible Java developer unless they were doing anything with Java Native Interfaces would care about structs." Then you are wasting a lot of memory. I mean I absolutely love Java, but not having user defined primitives / value types / structs (all names for the same thing) is one of the big weaknesses left in java, and java 10 might even finally get them: cr.openjdk.java.net/~dlsmith/values.html
    – Polygnome
    May 12, 2018 at 22:04
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    @Makoto The link you provided explicilty states that project valhalla is still under consideration by Oracle for upcoming Java versions, so... I'm just saying, you shouldn't make such blanket statements about "every sensible Java programmer". That blanket statement is just wrong, value types are highly valuable and sensible, even (and in a way, especially) in Java. The overhead introduces by the object header (for runtime type information) and padding is enormous, especially for small structs (3 floats for example).
    – Polygnome
    May 13, 2018 at 7:57

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