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Isn't it a trivial edit which could conflict with the author's intent?

Which is more invasive, the first or the second edit?

https://stackoverflow.com/posts/50251411/revisions

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    how does it conflict with author's intent? It doesnt change what the author is trying to say as far as I can see
    – Suraj Rao
    May 9, 2018 at 10:59
  • "Here we go" it's an expression with a meaning, the edit removes this expression and reduces it to just "take it". I was, maybe too grainy?
    – Evhz
    May 9, 2018 at 11:00
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    What is even the point of both the edit and rollback?
    – rene
    May 9, 2018 at 11:00
  • @rene yes, that is the post also about. It's pointless from the beginning.
    – Evhz
    May 9, 2018 at 11:01
  • But how does it harm? They have edit privileges so no queue is involved...
    – Suraj Rao
    May 9, 2018 at 11:02
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    @SurajRao Not harm, just useless.
    – Evhz
    May 9, 2018 at 11:03
  • The first edit at least gets the capitalization right. Apart from that... it's an exercise in futility. May 9, 2018 at 11:04
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    As far as your question goes.. its trivial, is not invasive and doesnt conflict with anyone's intent except maybe the editors involved.
    – Suraj Rao
    May 9, 2018 at 11:06
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    I see. Probably instead of rollback I could have preserved the H in here. @S.L.Barth futility is a great way to say it.
    – Evhz
    May 9, 2018 at 11:07
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    I don't see the first edit as particularly useful, but seeing as it had already been done there's no reason to rollback May 9, 2018 at 11:10
  • @NickA Yeap, I saw it as sligly "less" friendly. Probably just a matter of my interpretation.
    – Evhz
    May 9, 2018 at 11:12
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    If your argument is that trivial edits should be rolled back, then if you are correct that the original edit is trivial then the roll back is also by definition trivial, and thus should be counter-rolled back; I see an infinite loop emerging... May 9, 2018 at 12:16
  • @Chris_Rands Yes, this post aims also to spotlight the edit loop when futile edits are done on posts.
    – Evhz
    May 9, 2018 at 13:48
  • For what it's worth, rolling back pointless edits is more harmful than just leaving them be (it's an unnecessary question bump, and the editor may cause another bump if they decide to apply the edit again). May 9, 2018 at 14:45
  • @Dukeling that's a really bad reason... Further rollback from the original editor is really a bad move, we should not act and take those as valid. May 10, 2018 at 17:49

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Here we go...

As I am the editor, I thought I would shed light on my actions, my reasons for editing are twofold:

  1. The answer is supposed to be directed at the OP, therefore in this context 'here we go...' doesn't seem valid, rather, 'here you go' makes more sense.
  2. I, personally, sensed an undertone of condescension (as in 'here we go, so simple') which I felt was unnecessary. My personal ethos being, if you are going to answer, answer properly. Whether this was the intent of the answerer, I do not know, but I thought it would be easier to edit the answer.

I tend to do these more "trivial" edits as I have reached the required reputation for it to not clog up the review queue.

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Stack Overflow is meant to be a high quality repository of Questions and Answers. Part of that is making posts grammatically correct and easily understandable.

There's already been a precedent for "Too minor" edits, where the community has decided that good edits should always be done no matter how minor, although it is generally preferred that people with enough rep to directly edit without the post going through the review queue do these simple edits because then it doesn't take up reviewers time to approve something everyone would agree is a good edit.

If there's more things to fix in a post, of course the editor should fix everything they can find wrong with the post. In the case of this answer, I don't think there was anything more to change about the post besides the capitalization, though the rephrasing of the statement "here we go..." to "Here you go" does sound a little better. The editor has posted an answer explaining why change the wording, and the reasons are completely valid.

Even if the editor hadn't justified the edit, there's a simple test that you can do to check if an edit should be rolled back. Ask yourself: "Does this edit change the meaning of the post? Does it edit distract from the author's intent? Does this edit otherwise deface the post?" If the answer to these three questions is no, then the edit probably doesn't need to be rolled back. Simply being a small, minor change isn't a reason in and of itself to roll back the edit.

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It is an absolutely trivial edit. The text itself is noise, it should have been removed, which would have put into light the need for the answer to link to documentation and explain why use that function.

In both cases, the rollbacks were a bit over the top, both the return to the op's formulation and Script47 here rolling back to their preferred version.

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