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In a comment to this (clear, but zero-effort) question, a >15k user made the following request:

Please no one give a full solution in code as this is obviously homework that OP would benefit from doing themselves

This comment has been upvoted three times. In its nature, it seemed to be similar to a "vote to close", but the problem was that the question was not closed properly. Since it wasn't closed properly, it started to attract answers of varying quality. Those answers all got downvoted by multiple users.

Since someone has already posted an answer, I thought that I could at least post a reasonably concise solution (hoping that either the OP learns something new, or the other answerers find something valuable in it). Moreover, the last time that I checked the relevant Stack Overflow blog postings, the suggestion seemed to be:

But it’s totally cool to answer questions without giving a grilled poop sandwich about exactly what’s allowed.

(One might question whether this is the most eloquent formulation, but the meaning is clear: providing good answers to bad questions should be OK, at least that's what I understood?)

So, I posted an answer too, and also got downvoted, then deleted my answer.

A few hours later, some 26-rep user (who could not see all the downvoted and deleted answers) posted yet another solution. That solution had the most nested loops among all the answers, so at least it didn't seem like the most concise one.

Result:

  • Three deleted valid answers
  • Total of six downvotes on those answers
  • A really long and cumbersome two-nested-loops answer as the only survivor.
  • Question still not closed
  • Eight downvotes and two counter-upvotes on a zero-effort question

Screenshot (most names changed):

Swamp of death

Question

What should I do with such "not-quite-VtC"-comments? Temporarily keeping bad questions "somewhat-half-closed" by a rain of downvotes just doesn't seem right.

  • Flag the comment? (as what?)
  • Write another comment that says "No, close as 'Too Broad'" (it's not really "too broad", but I don't know how else to close the gimmetehcodez).
  • Both previous actions? (Write: "VtC as 'Too Broad'" + flag as 'No longer needed')
  • Do something different entirely?

Such comments do not seem to align with the goal of creating good content and serving the future visitors (instead of providing personal tutoring to one particular user).

Any hints how to deal with such comments and how to clean up this mess would be appreciated.

Update: I'd like to explicitly exclude a similar situation where a golden badge holder with a dupe-hammer requests to wait with answers because he or she suspects that the question is a duplicate and waits for clarification by the OP. The case with a golden badge holder is different, because (s)he is obviously trying to improve the average quality of the content on the website, whereas in the concrete example described above, the commenter requested to post answers that might be suboptimal from the point of view of the visitors who will read the answers in the future.

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    I don't necessarily disagree with the commenter who asked that no-one provide a full solution, I just think it would be best expressed differently. They should be appealing to the OP to improve their question and/or to make an effort, rather than appealing to everyone else on how much they should help. Readers are allowed to help on questions where no effort was expended (though they will sometimes get DV for doing so).
    – halfer
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 11:57
  • @halfer Since I've spent quite a bit of time inventing homework exercises and correcting them, I can empathize with this attitude. On the other hand, there is also this opinion. But I'm less concerned about how to deal with homework exercises, I'd rather want to understand how to deal with such comments that neither close nor allow to answer properly. Keeping questions "quasi-closed-for-a-while" by a rain of downvotes doesn't seem constructive. Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:03
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    I'm totally in favor of closing zero-effort homework dumps. And that "new policy"... let's just say that policy is highly controversial, and not the result of a community feedback process. Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:08
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    Well, you know the OP asked this to win a coding competition. Your answer completely ignored that angle, it did not consider perf at all. Why would anybody consider that helpful? Lost opportunity btw, comparing the recursive solution against an iterative one would be the real value, possibly for you personally as well. Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:09
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    That's what happen when both contradicting "rules" (not really rules) "help everyone regardless of OP" and "people get annoyed if OP doesn't show effort" exist.
    – user202729
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:11
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    @HansPassant The OP didn't say in the question that it's for a competition, and (s)he didn't ask anything about performance. If I'm not missing anything, the performance is mostly determined by the very first call to str on an integer, after that, the size of the number should collapse rapidly. But I digress... Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:30
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    Did anyone else notice the alarming number of comments that really could (and even should) have been answers on this question? The non-highlighted portion of the comment you pointed out was an answer!
    – ryanyuyu
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:54
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    @ryanyuyu If this was posted as an answer, I would have downvoted it, because it does not provide the shortest and clearest solution for the hundreds of users that will look at it after the question is answered. It just seems to be unclear whether we should answer this or not. I don't know. I'm confused. That's why I'm asking. Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:59
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    Note there is no "new policy". In particular, denying answers to non-closeable (including quasi-closeable questions) was never policy. Cf. Does the recent blog post on being less hostile contradict “How to Answer”'s advice on not answering bad questions?, and especially Brad Larson's answer there.
    – duplode
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 13:15
  • Related list: 1, 2, 3.
    – user202729
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 14:06
  • In related topics, as a gold-badge-holder I often leave "quasi-VTC" comments when I want the OP to edit to clarify if it is or is not a duplicate of a (set of) question before I use the hammer, but I also encourage people to not answer yet. I don't think that's what you are asking about, so maybe you can clarify this question one way or the other?
    – Shepmaster
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 18:00
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    @KevinB We do have the flag system, but I don't even understand which content should be considered "problematic" here? Should I flag the question as "rude and abusive", because it's a copy-pasted coding exercise from another website? Should I flag the comment because it attempts to bypass the VtC-system? Should I flag all the answers, because they facilitate getting answers to really bad questions, thereby providing an incentive to ask even more bad questions? Should I leave it as-is, even though I think that I could provide an answer that is better than some of the already given answers? Commented May 8, 2018 at 19:56
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    "So, I posted an answer too, and also got downvoted, then deleted my answer" - why did you delete it?! If you answered with what you considered of as helpful, despite already seeing that some people discourage answering, you should not be afraid of their downvotes, and you should not delete your answer. If you agree with the opinion that the question should not be answered, don't post it in the first place.
    – Bergi
    Commented May 9, 2018 at 21:14
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    Please don't pretend that The Blog Post is policy. Thanks. Commented May 11, 2018 at 5:56
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    @AndrasDeak Alright, maybe "policy" is not the right word. But "opinion of a Stack Overflow employee" doesn't seem like the right formulation either, at least the repeated use of the pronoun "we" in the blog post suggested that it was not merely a personal opinion of one single employee. I replaced the formulation by the vague "relevant Stack Overflow blog posting", I hope we can at least agree that it was a blog post, and that the blog post was somewhat relevant for this question. Commented May 11, 2018 at 12:12

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climbs atop soapbox, groaning

I agree that this is problematic behaviour, and a very slippery slope. This has little to do with a Programming Q&A, it's a judgemental mob. Yes, the question is pretty darn lazy, fine. However, it is a programming problem, it's a pretty well scoped problem, it's even a fairly generic problem that others could benefit from.

The only reason we're "denying" giving an answer is that we perceive the OP doesn't deserve it. And that is dangerous. So we're not going to answer if the question appears to be a homework question by a student? Who are we going to deny answers next? Askers who have tried for less than 30 minutes? 60 minutes? 3 days? I've ranted about this before, but you can't prove effort. We're asking people to "show effort," but that is not an end in itself. It's mostly so we can better diagnose where they're stuck. Not so we can judge whether they're worthy of an answer.

falls off soapbox

So, think:

  • Is the question answerable within the scope of the site?
  • Has it already been answered? Then find a duplicate.
  • Could it be phrased better? Then edit it.
  • Do you have an answer? Then post it.
  • Have others posted an answer? Then evaluate the answer on its own merits, not based on whether it was posted in response to a question whose poster you deem unworthy of help.
  • Should the OP be slapped on the wrist for not doing their homework? Then leave a comment, and try not to be rude.
  • If the same question had been posted by somebody else phrased slightly differently, would you have done anything differently? If so, why?!

What about comments dissuading anyone from posting an answer?

Ignore them. You don't need to bend to group pressure. Apply your own good judgement. Stand by what you think matters. If the comment is causing trouble or is superfluous, flag it as such.

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    Eric Lippert's comment on the question is spot-on. "These kinds of problems are exercises in breaking complicated problems down into simpler problems." The OP is better helped by being taught how to split the problem up, than by an answer on the question. Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:18
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    Then write that as an answer!
    – deceze Mod
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:18
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    You really think other people could benefit from it? If you want to learn, you should read the tutorial and solve simpler problems (<-- this part was typed in after the comment above was written), not search for code that directly solves your problem.
    – user202729
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:18
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    Then write an answer that tells the OP how to tackle these kinds of problems!
    – deceze Mod
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:19
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    Also for the bullet points: stepping away and not replying at all is a valid option.
    – halfer
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:20
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    'Then write an answer that tells the OP how to tackle these kinds of problems' ..and then link all the other no-effort homework/quiz questions as duplicates to that one? Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:22
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    So, are you saying that answering requirements dump Q's is ok? Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:24
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    @deceze I suspect that it would not go well. Not getting a dedicated answer to a question tends to cause an attack of 'unwelcoming'. Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:25
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    @Martin Worse than this swamp question here?
    – deceze Mod
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:26
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    @chris Most "RDQs" are highly specific and too detailed, they're too broad and virtually useless for anyone else. Those: no. This specific question here is a pretty generic algorithm and perfectly answerable.
    – deceze Mod
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:27
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    @chris You should judge the question on its own merits. If it's clearly outside the scope of SO, vote to close it with a legitimate reason. If beyond that you don't feel like answering for whatever reason, just don't. Some of the most useful answers on this site sprang from someone spontaneously typing a couple of hundred useful words into a textbox in response to some mediocre question.
    – deceze Mod
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:43
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    @user my main criteria for answering any Q is "is it interesting (to me)" Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:44
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    @chris Good yardstick in my book.
    – deceze Mod
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:44
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    @chris The attitude of judging based on perceived circumstances surrounding the posting of the question is equally troubling to me. I'd like to get to a baseline of do something positive or just do nothing rather than stupid downvote wars as in this case.
    – deceze Mod
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 12:54
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    @jpp: That wasn't a grammar error, just a different (and frankly more logical) style.
    – Michael Myers Mod
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 19:06
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Basically, what you have is a group of users trying to manually reinstate the "Too Localized" close reason. Back in the day, that question would be closed for being too localized for the specific user. That the problem was so narrow in scope that any answers would be of little value to the "not that person" department.

What you do with such a comment is up to you. You can follow the current rules and answer anyway. Yes, the Too Localized people will likely putatively downvote your answer, but you provided an answer that will serve the Audience of One. Feel good about that and move on.

Or you can choose to agree that answering localized questions is a waste of time, that it does little for serving Stack Overflow's broader goal of providing knowledge that is broadly useful. And therefore, you'd just move on of your own accord.

It's up to you.

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    I'm not sure whether it was "too localized": the question seemed to be some kind of puzzle or online-competition, and it also does look like a "classic" basic programming exercise, so it probably would be useful to a much larger audience than most of the "normal" questions that I usually answer. As I mentioned above, it was rather "overt request for code", because the OP simply copy-pasted the question from this online-coding-competition site. Commented May 8, 2018 at 13:49
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    I don't know, honestly, why then can't there be a simple "gimmetehcodez" close reason? It occurs so often! This question is not too broad, it's not unclear, and it's not "why is this code not working" (because there is no code at all). Every time I encounter a "gimmetehcodez", I have to google the meta site, to understand what the current close reason is. If it is an attempt to "manually reinstantiate {some close reason}", then why is it not formalized as an actual proper close reason, why cannot those 6 downvotes be converted into an orderly 'Closed'? Commented May 8, 2018 at 13:56
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    @AndreyTyukin For historical background, cf. Closing changes: on hold, unclear, too broad, opinion-based, off-topic reasons, bye-bye to Too Localized (Meta.SE).
    – duplode
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 14:00
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    @duplode Yes, thanks, I think I've came across those meta-pages several times, every time I re-read them, I feel only more confused. As this example shows, the close-reasons seem to not always reflect the actual behavior of the users (so they feel forced to downvote answers, because they can't find a suitable close reason). But I'll carefully re-read the linked question, maybe I will be able to memorize it this time. Commented May 8, 2018 at 14:04
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    @AndreyTyukin "the close-reasons seem to not always reflect the actual behavior of the users" + "the site is moderated by the community" >>= confusion.
    – user202729
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 14:12
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    @user202729 Without getting into the specific merits of "too localized": As an user-moderator, there are lots of questions that I want to be closed, and there are lots of questions that I want to remain open. If a broadly applicable close reason is replaced by a set of reasons with a narrower scope that are less likely to be (mis)used to close questions I believe should remain open, I will see that as an improvement.
    – duplode
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 15:27
  • I would have understood "too localized" to mean, in essence, "the question could not feasibly be used as a duplicate to close someone else's question, for reasons other than a lack of focus or clarity". In particular, because of an idiosyncratic logic error, that can't be searched for (someone else who made the same mistake would not know what the problem is, and thus couldn't search about it; nor would an accurate description of the wrong thinking pattern make a viable search query). Commented Nov 15, 2023 at 15:50
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It's not really "too broad", but I don't know how else to close the gimmetehcodez

Lack of effort is not a close reason. Low-effort questions often turn out to be too broad -- because they demand too much code to be written, or an excessive amount of ancillary explanations to be given to make the asker able to understand the actual answer -- or closeable for some of the other reasons. If a low-effort question is not closeable due to one of the existing reasons, it should not be closed. In such cases, feel free to downvote it, or to ignore it, or to answer it in the way you consider to be most useful.

(Do note that encouraging the OP of a requirement dump question to say more about which specific difficulties they are facing while trying to solve the problem is often a sensible thing to do, even if the question doesn't merit closure, simply because that makes for a better question.)


One rather serious difficulty with quasi-vote-to-close comments is that closing is generally a matter of editorial judgement, over which there can be reasonable disagreement even among folks trying their best at enforcing site policies and guidelines. That is especially true for reasons such as "too broad", for which there is no objective yardstick to point to. If I think a question should remain open, I can't coerce you to retract your close vote; if I think it should be closed, I can't coerce you to delete your answer. That must hold even if I'm accompanied by a group of like-minded users, lest we end up acting as "a judgemental mob".

(Note that it is fine to, say, leave a comment pointing out why a question should not be closed, if you think it is attracting unjustified close votes. Adequate behaviour in such cases is primarily a matter of circumspection, of knowing where and when to stop.)

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  • "Lack of effort is not a close reason" - I understand the reasoning behind that, I even agree, mostly. If we are talking about long difficult questions with 200 lines of code dumps, where it would be hard to figure out what OP's problem is: OK, agree, lack of effort is not a close reason, leave it open. If nobody dares to try to help, because the question is prepared so poorly, then it's just OP's own fault. But this argument seems to fail spectacularly for funny little code-golf-like puzzles where zero effort is required to make the question entertaining. Commented May 8, 2018 at 14:23
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    @AndreyTyukin you may want to read this
    – user4639281
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 15:04
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    @AndreyTyukin 200-line dump questions are very often closeable as either "too broad", "unclear" or "off-topic/MCVE" -- it's just that, there being no blanket rule, the decision has to be made on a case by case basis. As for the tiny puzzles, you can still give feedback and try to drive improvements (by downvoting and/or leaving an actionable comment) even without voting to close.
    – duplode
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 15:19
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    @TinyGiant Shog is spot-on there: "Effort is useful when it produces results."
    – duplode
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 15:20
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The other answers deal with the specifics nicely. I'm just going to explain the phases I go through. I'm getting quite good at writing downvoted answers (~1% of my answers are downvoted, many times due to question quality concerns), so I speak from experience.

Feel free to disregard the comment

The comment does not clarify or ask for clarification regarding the question. You may read it. But it is also safe to disregard. Comments are, after all, ephemeral.

Answer if you feel you can add value

If you feel you can add value, answer the question. One person may believe it's impossible to add value to a poor question. Another might be believe it is possible. The good thing about SO is YOU get to make the decision. Do what you think makes a good Q&A.

Be ready to accept downvotes and don't let it faze you

I seem to specialize in answering questions which get downvoted or, occasionally, deleted. Especially when advised not to answer. Revenge downvotes for defying the puritans are typical. If a question I answer is deleted, I might go back and write an embellished Q&A.

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    That's an interesting perspective. "Beating" the "puritans" by points might be easy, because you get 5x as much rep for every upvote than for a downvote. But are you sure that the "puritans" won't take their "revenge" by simply leaving sooner or later? Getting some upvotes vs. annoying "the puritans" seems like a not entirely trivial trade-off to me. Commented May 8, 2018 at 18:58
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    I understand that you are talking about "revenge downvotes from the puritans". I'm just saying that if puritans downvote you frequently, then they are probably somewhat unhappy frequently, which, in the long term, might lead to the situation when they consider to participate less, or to leave entirely. And, as I said, getting some reputation points at the expense of the puritans being annoyed is a trade-off that I'm not ready to consider, therefore I rather try not to get any downvotes. I'm not sure what in my comment invoked the impression that something is unclear. Commented May 8, 2018 at 19:39
  • @AndreyTyukin, Apologies, I understand you now. I guess I don't believe that's the case. The puritans (and I don't mean the term in a derogatory way; literally, more rule-based) would have left a long time ago if they require SO to satisfy their standards. They usually don't care about the -1. There are plenty of people like me who don't heed the -2 either.
    – jpp
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 19:41
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I don't agree with any of the posted answers so far, and I'm baffled how everyone seems to think this question is fine.

The question is a math problem, not a programming problem. This is a programming Q&A and there is no programming question to answer.

It should be closed as off-topic or too broad. Period. There is not just a "lack of effort", the question is not even on-topic for this site! The question may or may not be on-topic on the math or comp. science sites.

In addition "reading material on how stuff like this works would also be appreciated" is a request for off-site resources, which is also off-topic.

The only thing related to programming here is the Python tag, which we can only interpret as "gimme teh pyton codez". Adding that tag does not make it a programming question. Adding the OP's attempts to implement it in Python would on the other hand make the question perfectly on-topic. That's the only way to fix this question and so it can only be fixed by the OP.

This question should have been down-voted and closed much faster. Anyone attempting to answer too broad off-topic questions instead of flagging/closing deserve all the down votes they get.

So the core problem here is not the comments, but a complete failure by multiple high rep users and moderators to close the off-topic question fast enough.

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    Why you think it is not a programming problem? The OP obviously can execute the algorithm in his or her head or on paper or in the question. OP just can't figure out how to write code that executes this algorithm automatically. It's still a bad question for not having an MCVE - the most obvious way to show lack of effort. But either way the question is about programming I think. Commented May 9, 2018 at 8:22
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    "Anyone attempting to answer too broad off-topic questions instead of flagging/closing deserve all the down votes they get." – And this is what I strongly object to. The rest I'm not even necessarily all disagreeing with.
    – deceze Mod
    Commented May 9, 2018 at 8:56
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    @deceze It is a fact that a whole lot of users systematically answer easy FAQ questions instead of closing them, which is egocentric. They want more rep instead of improving the site, which is rude. And therefore they deserve downvotes, not upvotes. That aside, people are deadly tired of the flood of bad questions. SO the company does not solve the problem, if anything they encourage it to get more traffic. As a result we get "lynch mobs", a side effect that happens whenever an official system is broken, like or not.
    – Lundin
    Commented May 9, 2018 at 9:12
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    I also strongly object to the idea of a "rep whore". I consider it a baseless insult. We are here to answer questions. Yes, some of those will be easy. So what? Now you're not only going to apply standards to what should be asked, but also what should be answered? Where does it end? No, again, Objection.
    – deceze Mod
    Commented May 9, 2018 at 9:21
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    And yes, the flood of bad questions is a problem. Let's solve that. Let's not create a civil war in the meantime of "rep whores" vs. lynch mobs. Lynch mobs don't stop bad questions.
    – deceze Mod
    Commented May 9, 2018 at 9:23
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    @deceze Of course we have standards for what should be asked, why do you think we have moderators in the first place? One such standard is that we shouldn't ask the same question over and over. Therefore the duplicate system exists. Experienced users are expected to know of close votes and duplicates. The whole idea behind self-moderation is that users contribute. So what are you propagating for here, a site with no user moderation?
    – Lundin
    Commented May 9, 2018 at 9:35
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    @Lundin Moderate the question, yes! Don't punish users for answering, if your only arguments for doing so are that it will stop bad questions (it's never been proven to do so, and bad questions clearly haven't stopped coming) or that they're "rep whoring" (you're ascribing insulting motivation to people using the site as designed).
    – deceze Mod
    Commented May 9, 2018 at 9:43
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    @deceze The whole point here is: why are those users writing answers instead of moderating, as is expected of them? Or as in one case in the discussed post, one high rep user (>10k) is both moderating and answering, effectively saying that the question cannot be answered in its current form, yet at the same time answering it. How exactly does that lead to a better site and what kind of signal does it send to the OP? Explain to me why these users behave the way they do and why their behavior is exemplary, undeserving of loss of community reputation.
    – Lundin
    Commented May 9, 2018 at 9:49
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    I don't know why people do what they do. They might have a different opinion from what they deem answerable than you. Charitably I would say the question happened to tickle their fancy bone and they felt like figuring out a one-liner to answer it. That is a lot of what SO is about and why people participate in it. If you vote to close the question instead, fine. If there's a majority of people thinking that, then it'll be closed.
    – deceze Mod
    Commented May 9, 2018 at 9:52
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    Votes are supposed to work in a meritocratic way: you have good technical knowledge, your technical work is upvoted, this gives you status. And to readers votes indicate technical accuracy. It becomes very murky once you conflate community-status-punishment with that. Future readers will read that as an answer being technically inaccurate for some reason, when really the negative score indicates something completely different and more meta. That is nonsense. (cont.)
    – deceze Mod
    Commented May 9, 2018 at 10:01
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    @deceze You are kind of missing the point. If a user decides that the question cannot be answered, then at the same time decides to answer still, how could that possibly be a good quality answer? Likely it was impossible to give a good answer to begin with.
    – Lundin
    Commented May 9, 2018 at 10:45
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    Well, there were 4 answers, plus at least one extra user that voted to close, so that should have made 5 close votes. Imma go ahead and say that tactic didn't work. – Even if, you could have done the same by leaving a comment urging individual users to vote to close without conflating the issue with votes meant for indicating technical merit.
    – deceze Mod
    Commented May 9, 2018 at 11:33
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    It's definitely not a math problem in any reasonably narrow sense. The fact that the task includes some bastardized arithmetics does not automatically make it a "math problem". On motivation: as I've already said elsewhere, the main motivation was probably the comment by a 500k user that apparently suggested to perform case-by-case analysis to cover the two-digit numbers. Furthermore, I didn't like the other answers (I didn't like the int(x) * int(y), because casting to int was used twice, instead of doing it once in a generator expr, and I didn't like the explicit lambda). Commented May 9, 2018 at 13:49
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    @Lundin No, using the same logic, from the statement "a question does not have to be unanswerable to be off-topic" I cannot infer "every theoretically answerable question must be answered". I think that in the example that you've given, most people would not have any problems to classify the question as "too broad". The problem with the short coding-competition one-liners (as in the question that started this discussion) is that they are short, clear, precise, not too broad, so they aren't closed properly, because there is no good 'gimmetehcodez' close-reason. Commented May 9, 2018 at 14:20
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    @AndreyTyukin We had a "gimmetehcodez" close reason called "poster must demonstrate utter minimum of knowledge of the topic". SO the company took it away since it reduced code beggar traffic. And here we are some 5 years later drowning in code beggars still. One reason being code-beggar-huggers who keep giving the beggars fish instead of teaching them how to fish.
    – Lundin
    Commented May 10, 2018 at 20:00

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