On the Meta question Does Stack Exchange really want to conflate newbies with women/people of color?, a user posted an answer that heavily criticized the recent blog post. He was temporarily banned a little while after. Was he banned for his political beliefs, or was it for some other reason? Are moderators or Stack Overflow employees really biased enough that they would ban someone for something like that?
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9Probably best to not try and go there. No good will come of it if you do.– Martin JamesMay 4, 2018 at 14:44
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15Why this person is suspended is, has been, and always will be between that person and Stack Overflow moderation.– MakotoMay 4, 2018 at 14:44
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4Yeah..... It could be any number of things. Speculation won't be helpful and just bring more and more resentment....– PatriceMay 4, 2018 at 14:45
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6SE isn't going to release any details about why someone else was suspended, for privacy reasons. Oleg is the only one who can answer your question.– ServyMay 4, 2018 at 14:45
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2I think if you look at the revisions on the post and the arguments in comments you may see why... especially the one about reposing the comment that was removed.– Jacob HMay 4, 2018 at 14:46
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2We have no idea what happened. It could be something in some comments wound up not being to nice for whatever reason and the moderator(s) felt he needed some time to cool down. Lets not be so quick to light the torches and grab the pitchforks. I get you're passionate but we need to also use restraint at times like these.– NathanOliverMay 4, 2018 at 14:47
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13I highly doubt that, and the fact the the answer is still there also points to a big fat "no".– ivarniMay 4, 2018 at 14:49
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1I agree this is not because of the answer, but probably because of the numerous comment posted by this user, however with this highly tension topic, I found the ban reason should be clear and open to the community. Who moderate the moderator... there is not a lot of counter power in SO.– StargateurMay 4, 2018 at 14:51
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7We as a community has elected those moderators, I feel that gives quite a bit of balance to moderation on SO. Beyond that, SO has allowed quite a lot of highly critical opinions lately and I'm having a hard time believing they'd go after this specific user over that. If someone is not capable of disagreeing in a civil manner, that's another story but we don't know exactly what happened here since deleted comments aren't visible.– ivarniMay 4, 2018 at 14:56
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7It should also be noted that the "little while after" was (based on the time when the suspension ends and the user posting comments) several days after that post. It is extremely unlikely that the user was suspended for that answer.– Nicol BolasMay 4, 2018 at 15:54
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6Why are people so quick to jump on the "OMG, political suppression!!" bandwagon, given that there is clear evidence all around that SO isn't, in fact, suppressing dissenting views? (See also: claiming that not opening the blog post for comments was a way of precluding discussion... in a comment to one of the dozens of Meta questions that discusses the blog post.)– duplodeMay 4, 2018 at 16:40
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2(By the way, by "bandwagon" I don't refer to the mere existence of this post, but to how the very loaded way it frames the matter -- cf. the question it has as its final sentence -- has not stopped it from getting 17 upvotes as of now.)– duplodeMay 4, 2018 at 16:49
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3My best guess is that discrediting "the other side" has become a popular way to approach a subject lately. It's why we have terms like "PC" and "alt-right" being thrown around as pejoratives. Sadly, we live in a time of polarization and it's becoming increasingly difficult to discuss stuff. With a few exceptions I'm actually very impressed with how things have been going on meta after "the blog post". I've learned a lot by lurking most of the recent high-traffic posts and seen well presented arguments on both sides. Let's try to keep it like that.– ivarniMay 4, 2018 at 16:49
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2@KevinB it's pretty clear if you read the thread and comments the user was banned for adding and re-adding comments and arguing after they were removed. The unnecessary political undertones of your comment are similar to those same comments. Call it "PC" but I feel like SO is not the place for political discussion.– Jacob HMay 4, 2018 at 19:49
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1@JacobH "I feel like SO is not the place for political discussion". Ha. If SO doesn't wan't political discussions, they shouldn't have posted the blog.– ackMay 4, 2018 at 23:47
2 Answers
We try to avoid discussing specific suspensions publicly, particularly while the relevant user is still suspended. It's unfair to the person who was suspended and unable to defend themselves.
We also discourage folks from calling out specific users by name here on meta, for pretty much the same reason.
So I've edited your question, and I'm not going to say anything specific to this user's suspension.
I will note, for the benefit of one and all, that while anyone is free to discuss controversial topics here the be nice policy still applies; if you can't show basic respect to the folks who disagree with you, then there's no point in talking to them at all.
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7I wish that the Stack Exchange policy was instead to ask suspended users whether they are happy to have the reason for their suspension made public, rather than making that choice for them. Preventing a user's suspension from being discussed even if that user wants it to be doesn't protect their privacy, it just protects SE and the mods from criticism. As for this particular case, I have no idea what Oleg wants, but I don't think the process by which you're getting to this decision is quite the right one. May 4, 2018 at 14:50
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19Nothing stops the user from coming back and talking about their suspension here after it has expired, @Mark. Heck, nothing stops them from talking about it anywhere else while they're still suspended. Both of those things happen fairly often, and if the user themselves rejects the courtesy of discretion that we extend to them we're usually more'n happy to air all the dirty laundry that they can eat. But... we do try to be courteous by default, and I think that's a good policy for all the reasons Jon stated in the first link above.– Shog9May 4, 2018 at 14:52
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1@Shog9 well when the period is long what you say don't work, specially for life ban account... May 4, 2018 at 14:53
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3@Shog9 "air all the dirty laundry that they can eat" is a rather troubling mixed metaphor for anyone who is not a moth. As for the rest - well, I shall wait and see what happens in a few months. May 4, 2018 at 14:55
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7I've never banned anyone for life, @Stargateur. I have had people die on me, but I've tried to work with them to get 'em back on the site for as long as I was able. If the user in question doesn't expect to live beyond July, they should definitely be willing to work this out.– Shog9May 4, 2018 at 14:55
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If I am not mistaken the "anyone is free to discuss controversial topics here " policy is no longer in effect, this could get people finding this in 2020 in trouble. Oct 26, 2020 at 17:22
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1Trying to guess at what won't get people in trouble in 2020 isn't a game I want to play, @patrick. I think my advice here is as reasonable now as it was when I wrote it; if it doesn't work out here in practice, then maybe this is not as good a place to be as it was in 2018.– Shog9Oct 26, 2020 at 17:31
I'm going to let the employee that enforced the suspension chime in on the particulars, though we can't share very much about it.
I want to take a moment and clearly say that we would not suspend anyone for their beliefs, or the expression of those beliefs, as long as they were expressed in a manner that is consistent with our code of conduct.
We provide this platform for you to disagree with us if that's what you want to do. We just ask that you do it with respect and sincerity for us as well as other users.
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1The problem is now that SO is become politic the ban policy is going to become a recurrent problem, however I believe in SO staff... so I have no doubt you have ban this user for a very good reason ;) May 4, 2018 at 14:56
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7SO has not become political in the manner I suspect you mean @Stargateur; it has always been political in the sense that there are certain positions that the staff holds and that the policies (and moderators) enforce.– TylerHMay 4, 2018 at 14:58
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@TylerH I don't agree, SO politics has always been focus about the site and the site only, nothing else. Be nice was a general rule for everyone. No exception even if linus will come to answer question in SO, we will ban him every month ;). And now we talk, talk, talk about this sujet since days... It's even more visible that I think nobody never see the meta like that before. But I stop the "off-topic" here, no need to spam this answer ;) May 4, 2018 at 15:04
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8@Stargateur And "be nice" is still the scope of politics here. It doesn't matter what someone is talking about, real world politics, religion, human rights, etc., it's still under the "Be Nice" umbrella as Tim Post says in the answer.– TylerHMay 4, 2018 at 15:07
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10I wouldn't say that SO "becoming politic" is a problem; everyone has a political position, even if it's just "maintain the status quo." I'd say a bigger trust issue exists because a community moderator can post a ranting diatribe on MSO, leave it up for 12 hours, and not get sanctioned in the slightest. That is the sort of thing that erodes trust in community moderators. May 4, 2018 at 15:42
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9@NicolBolas Not visibly sanctioned. I think that's important to point out, especially in the context of us just talking about how we don't like to put laundry out in the air. I'm just going to leave that there.– Tim PostMay 4, 2018 at 15:52
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9Wait, 100+ downvotes and 4 closes doesn't count as a "visible sanction"? What more do we need, a stone of shame?!– Shog9May 4, 2018 at 15:56
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4@Shog9: The comments section is not suitable for feature requests. Please post a new question for your suggestion ;)– honkMay 4, 2018 at 16:12
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2@Shog9 wow didn't know this question of Yvette, actually If it was me who wrote this post I think I would have be ban for one week... at least for "cold down" (this is maybe the best ban reason in the world) ! May 4, 2018 at 16:16
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8Y'all seem to think we ban people for a lot less than is actually the case. Everyone makes mistakes; most of us learn from them and move on.– Shog9May 4, 2018 at 16:19