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is awarded if you "answer a question more than 60 days later with score of 5 or more". It has been "awarded 433915 times".

There's no corresponding gold badge for some reason. Let's have it, for example, for answering a question more than a year later with score of 50 or more (disclaimer: I would be eligible for one as well; so what?). update 3: 2000 days ⁄ 10 votes seems to be the way to go (and I personally wouldn't be eligible) edit 4: nah, the original suggestion was totally in line with the other badges like the Populist, producing roughly the same number of eligible users... or maybe make it two years / 50 votes, since the silver badge is for two months / 5 votes; a nice symmetry there! and I haven't checked whether I'd be eligible then, so there.

Is this a good idea? What could the appropriate name be?

"Gravedigger"? (gold digger... get it?)


update: this is a duplicate of No gold badge for revival/necromancer/… pattern? (asked 6.5 years ago, was very well received; it's interesting to compare how the attitudes of this community have changed... or perhaps the community itself has changed). Thanks to BDL for pointing it out. Can't vote it a dupe as it's on a different meta (wasn't it the same meta back then?).

update2: That question is very old, the stats in it are out of date. It was asked in 2011. It makes sense to include the new, up-to-date stats here:

According to this query by EdoDodo:

 Requirements:
  181 days     366 days     366 days     731 days    1000 days    2000 days    2000 days
  25 score     25 score     50 score     100 score    40 score     20 score     10 score

 Eligible users:
   44079        34971        16703         4109        8420         2625         6368

Many top users are eligible for more than one such badge, in each of the above queries.

For comparison, the other answers-related gold badges currently have:

Great answer     (100+)                      5.9k   users
Populist         (outvote the 
                  accepted answer)          16.2k   users
Reversal         (20+ ans on -5 q)             284  users
Unsung hero      (0 score, accepted)        18.4k   users
Tenacious
    (silver)     (0 score, accepted)        47.2k   users

update 3: Looks like 2000 days ⁄ 10 votes is sufficiently far-fetched for a gold badge, makes a fitting number of people eligible (6368), and at the same time rewards people for answering old questions without demanding too high a vote count on the answer, so makes it more likely for new answerers to get one too. (FYI 1000 days ⁄ 10 votes makes 36600 users eligible).

(As an additional bonus for all the naysayers, I personally wouldn't be eligible (a motivation that I was accused of having, in the comments).)

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  • Can you link the question/answer, for science? I'm fascinated by how such a thing could take place!
    – msanford
    Commented Mar 15, 2018 at 13:03
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    all I can take from this questions is "I feel I have done something to earn a gold badge, can I get one?" Commented Mar 15, 2018 at 13:04
  • @msanford stackoverflow.com/questions/2211990/… Commented Mar 15, 2018 at 13:06
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    @WhatsThePoint So I began writing a response explaining how "I'm unsure this points to a 'significant contribution' as defined by the gold badge class", but the more I think about it, I feel it's in a similar category to unsung-hero. That said, other badges like guru have no bronze or gold equivalent. Also, thanks for the link (I suppose I could have searched for it myself).
    – msanford
    Commented Mar 15, 2018 at 13:09
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    Related: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/97455/…
    – BDL
    Commented Mar 15, 2018 at 13:12
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    @msanford I believe the concept criteria of this badge is completely different to the unsung hero badge, the unsung hero badge in my eyes is awarded as a bittersweet as in "here you've put good effort in to not get much credit, here have a reward for your effort" but the idea for this badge is "so you have earned at least 500 rep from one answer already, have a second reward" this seems to me completely different from the unsung hero badge Commented Mar 15, 2018 at 13:15
  • @WhatsThePoint Mostly thinking aloud; I agree with your point.
    – msanford
    Commented Mar 15, 2018 at 13:39
  • @WhatsThePoint You can't say that you've earned 500 rep from an answer with a score of 50. You could have earned 0 rep from it, thanks to the rep cap.
    – Servy
    Commented Mar 15, 2018 at 14:08
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    @WhatsThePoint as is well known, whatever you are getting from anything in life is first of all you. (it's a general "you" of course, but it seems to apply).
    – Will Ness
    Commented Mar 15, 2018 at 14:19
  • @BDL thanks for the link; I only searched through badge-request on this [meta] when asking (and didn't find anything related).
    – Will Ness
    Commented Mar 15, 2018 at 14:26
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    Personally, when I'm accused of (more or less) loathsome motivations I feel great reticence to justifying myself.
    – Will Ness
    Commented Mar 15, 2018 at 14:33
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    @msanford apparently, it happened for 16703 users, many of them more than once. I've updated the question. and 4098 users for 733 days/100 score (!).
    – Will Ness
    Commented Mar 15, 2018 at 15:48
  • 50 upvotes is a little too much IMHO, it makes it similar to the "great answer" badge (which requires 100) and possibly skews it towards the more popular questions or tags. How many of those 4098 users also have a "great answer" badge? [Disclaimer: I made some alternative proposals and came here thanks to EdoDodo's link at meta.stackexchange.com/questions/97455/… ]
    – Nemo
    Commented Mar 15, 2018 at 18:32
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    @Nemo I've updated the question with more sample queries and stats for other gold badges to compare with. Interesting results!
    – Will Ness
    Commented Mar 15, 2018 at 22:13
  • @WillNess Thanks, that's useful. The total number that would be awarded is fine, but I was curious about the overlap between the recipients of the various badges. In my opinion it's more interesting to add a new badge if we reward users who are otherwise underappreciated by other badges. :) (But it's just me.)
    – Nemo
    Commented Mar 17, 2018 at 15:45

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I would propose that we don't increase time for gold necromancer equivalent. But instead require the answer to become an accepted answer with say 20 upvotes.

I think the hardest part is getting to 5. I have friends that confessed they never look at anything but the top answer. Going off zero is the hardest thing when other answers already exist. Then things would happen naturally with time, provided the answer is useful.

Or we can get even stricter, thus making the badge a real honor:

  • answer to question at least 60 days old
  • question must already have an accepted and upvoted answer
  • your answer must reach score of at least 20
  • your answer must become accepted

This is true necromancy IMO. Not like answering a question that has no good answers yet. I haven't done any analysis as you. But I think this should be rare enough. Or some numbers can be adjusted.

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    looks good to me, except for the requirement that the answer becomes accepted. too many a question asker cease being engaged with the site altogether, can't be relied upon to make a sound judgment. I'd accept this answer otherwise. Similarly with the 2nd requirement: without the accepted part. Just having an upvoted answer is enough. Or maybe require it to have at least 5 votes already. How's that sound?
    – Will Ness
    Commented Mar 26, 2018 at 14:51
  • hmm, reading last comments from Nemo, why exclude the questions that had no attention whatsoever? reviving them and getting 20+ votes, now that would be the true necromancy, no?!
    – Will Ness
    Commented Mar 26, 2018 at 14:56
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    @WillNess, that would be a resurrection IMO :) I would prefer it to have another gold badge. Perhaps more upvotes required. I won't oppose it though as long as stack team accepts gold necromancer in whatever way. Commented Mar 27, 2018 at 9:16

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