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I read an interesting article today about how social media are designed to be addictive. Although I was aware of the general point before, it did make me think about addictive elements in StackOverflow (the only social media I am seriously involved in) for the first time. A quick search on SO showed, that while there is scarce, but consistent evidence that a number of SO users are aware of those elements and some even say of themselves that the are addicted to SO, there is virtually no discussion about whether or not SO is dependent on causing this kind of addiction or whether or not we can analytically separate addictive elements from the fun elements in SO gamification.

Therefore I would like to ask you three (related) questions:

  1. In what sense do you think that addiction is built into SO? Is it the rep system in general (of which some say, it prevents high-quality answers)? Or are there only specific aspects of the rep system which cause people to "get hooked"? Or do you think that addiction in SO is a negligible problem?

  2. Can we say that addiction and fun are coextensive, that without addictive elements SO wouldn't be fun and vice versa? Would getting rid of addictive elements, also kick out all the fun from SO and therefore dry it out from within?

  3. And how about the (undoubtedly existing) usefulness of SO? At one point or another, all of us have been "saved" from despair by a good answer. Do you think this "good" part of SO is irresolvably intertwined with the "bad" and the "ugly" parts of addiction? In other words, would helpful answers not be given anymore if addiction to SO decreased? Or would reducing addictive elements improve the quality of answers?

And let me ask an equally serious question about us answering these questions: Can the addicted reliably analyze the roots of their addiction and possibly decide soberly about which parts of SO triggering highs simultaneously cause damage?

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  • I'm not very good at counting things, but I think that these are not only more than the one question that makes sense to put in a post; but even more than the three questions that you say you are going to ask.
    – yivi
    Jan 24, 2018 at 11:44
  • I believe it doesn't make sense to tear these questions apart.
    – kalabalik
    Jan 24, 2018 at 11:46
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    I'm hooked on down voting. Y'all should try it ...
    – rene
    Jan 24, 2018 at 11:49
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    Who says that the rep system prevents high quality answers? That sounds doubtful to me.
    – BDL
    Jan 24, 2018 at 11:50
  • @rene Uhuh, denial is a strong indicator for addiction.
    – kalabalik
    Jan 24, 2018 at 11:51
  • @BDL see this, for example.
    – kalabalik
    Jan 24, 2018 at 11:56
  • @rene (and the other unknown downvoters) I am still waiting for at least a trace of a rational argument ... Otherwise it would feel like gang vandalism.
    – kalabalik
    Jan 24, 2018 at 12:11
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    Just don't expect a rational answer for such an absurd proposition. Count the number of human addictions you know that are trivially cured by boredom. Don't include the common affliction of wanting to trivialize the effort of the site contributors at their meta for kicks, no real cure for that one. Jan 24, 2018 at 13:03
  • Proposition? What do you think I am proposing? The only proposition I can see myself making is discussion. Is this what you find absurd?
    – kalabalik
    Jan 24, 2018 at 13:07
  • @HansPassant Also, what makes you think that I am not a "site contributer"? Actually I am contributing right now by asking (possibly uncomfortable) questions concerning the site. It seems, however, that some people try to reserve a monopoly on what can be asked and what not. If they succeed, the whole site would be threatened.
    – kalabalik
    Jan 24, 2018 at 13:29
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    You seem to be under the impression that the compulsive elements of the site are both an accident, and undesirable by the site. That's just not the case. The gamification elements are added to be compulsive, at least to some extent (you could make an argument that they weren't intended to be as compulsive as they ended up being). That's pretty inherent to gamification as a principle. SE isn't designed to be a game. It's goal isn't to help people have fun. The goal is to get people to contribute content.
    – Servy
    Jan 24, 2018 at 14:22
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    You use the classic argument when you say "you're addicted", someone says "no, I'm not" and then you go "well since you deny it it must be true" and then you're calling for a rational argument? It doesn't work that way.
    – ivarni
    Jan 24, 2018 at 15:07
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    @kalabalik The whole point of adding gamification to something is to get people to engage in something that they otherwise wouldn't (or wouldn't engage in as much/long/often/etc.). The reason you add gamification elements to something is because you're trying to make it, at least to some extent, compulsive. That's the design of those elements. If you realize that SO isn't a game, then why focus on making the site more "fun"? The goal of the site isn't to get people to have fun, it's to create content.
    – Servy
    Jan 24, 2018 at 15:12
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    @kalabalik Still don't get that part: gamified, but not a game As soon as you gamify something, it doesn't magically become a game, also you don't earn or lose rep on Meta.
    – George
    Jan 24, 2018 at 15:21
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    @pnuts Is there a badge for that?
    – kalabalik
    Jan 25, 2018 at 13:26

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Or do you think that addiction in SO is a negligible problem?

Not negligible, no.

Sure, Stack Overflow helps a helluva lot of developers get through their day in which they ground to a halt, but on the flip side there's tons of experienced developers grinding through various review queues and question lists, separating the wheat from the chaff, while they inarguably have better things to do. One can only hope that on the grand scale this yields a net positive result, but I beg to differ.

Why they do this? Why I do this? It's the same as with Reddit. If one out of twenty posts gives you a chuckle, you keep scrolling through nineteen shitposts at a time to get that little kick of dopamine after seeing yet another funny cat picture.

I'm not sure what role reputation plays here. For me it's that hunt for a good question where you are the first with a decent answer that teaches not only the OP, but also later visitors something.

So: yes, some people could do with a little less Stack Overflow on any given day. It shouldn't be the first site I open on a day. I don't know whose fault it is though that it's so addictive, nor do I think Stack Overflow should (or even could) do anything against it.

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  • Are you saying that SO would continue to be useful and fun without the rep system?
    – kalabalik
    Jan 24, 2018 at 12:02
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    I'm saying that I don't think the reputation system is what makes it fun for me.
    – CodeCaster
    Jan 24, 2018 at 12:03

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