As some regular readers may know, I am a fairly committed editor on Stack Overflow. One of my main edit styles is to trim chatty/fluff material, so that (a) readers do not have to wade through irrelevant material, and (b) observant post authors read the edit reason and make a more succinct post next time.
This sort of editing is in a similar vein to this kind of tidy-up. Where I choose to do some editing, I will also look at the rest of the post, and fix other things like case, spelling, formatting, and so forth (there is usually something else that can be fixed).
However, I have taken the view that if I remove chatty material using a general search, affected post authors do not always notice the point of the edits, and so they often carry on adding the same fluff. For the last year or so, I have therefore bookmarked several searches of "fluff phrase + user", in order to demonstrate to those users how their posts can be made more succinct. In my experience, most users falling into this category accept such serial edits without demur (they probably don't care much either, but we have to accept the user-base as they are).
However, it happens that some users, as we know, do not like to be edited, and they regard serial editing as a form of harassment, regardless of the validity of the individual edits. Sometimes they will merely complain to me in a comment, and sometimes they will rollback, leaving a post in a worse state.
Sometimes in these cases I will add a custom moderator flag, to ask for:
- a rollback to an earlier revision
- a guiding remark from a mod to ask that fluff is not restored
- a guiding remark from a mod to ask that persistent fluff items are not added into new posts
However, there have been a couple of recent occasions where a mod has not been happy with this sort of flag, and the "declined" replies to me have been, erm, robust to say the least. I know mods are under a heavy workload, but I wonder if there is some unspoken guideline I am missing. A moderator once said to me that he noticed I'd been "following this user around", which was technically true, but missed that I was following a fair number of users around!
For example, if the external view of my edits is that I am causing a nuisance, then I am very happy to either show that my edits are useful, or to stop editing by user entirely. I would be sad to do the latter, since I think it is the only way in which some users will notice what improvements we'd ideally like them to make.
Using bookmarks to monitor future edits
In the comments below, Bergi suggests that it is not desirable to use user-specific bookmarks to police future behaviour. I disagree with this, and in fact I would cite it as a key advantage I forgot to mention earlier. One cannot know otherwise whether good edits are being thrown away by a hostile user (it is not common, but it does happen - I have had some users patiently re-edit religious material back in after having taken it all out!).
Related question
I note this question is similar, though the answers primarily deal with overloading the front page, or not overloading the edit queue for <2K users. I don't usually tend to do more than ~10 edits in a row anyway. Also, that question is three years old, and I wonder if the general view has changed since then, especially given the mod comments of late.
Example 1
I'll add a couple of examples without mentioning users, so as to avoid any Meta effect. I don't want to get hung up on these folks, nor am I challenging mod decisions - I am asking here about community views generally.
A 5K user had a history of adding "Regards, {name}" to their posts (this became my search bookmark), though they appear to have desisted after making a couple of hundred of them. I noticed also that they like home-made tags in titles, and they would sometimes add pleading fluff ("please help me", "this is very urgent", etc). They were/are also often over-formatting their material (e.g. I'd tend to remove some over-bolding).
To be fair to them, they accepted removing signatures from their work without comment, but heartily complained when I removed more begging messages (found using a search not targetting them, coincidentally enough). Finally I noticed an old question of theirs that was not accepted nor resolved, and so I updated it with old comments that it was not resolved, and the OP rolled it back in a hostile fashion, complaining in the comments they were going to "monitor" my edits.
I reported the rollback to a mod, who strongly did not like my focussing on them, and my rollback request was rejected (and the useless question was let be). I had not been trying to serial-vote on that user, just serial-edit their work.
Example 2
I was reminded by a moderator in the comments below about another case that I had forgotten about. I was at one point going to do a Meta post on this 10K+ user specifically, but I think the rules about calling people out are a bit more strict these days, so I eventually decided not to.
I had tried serial editing this person's posts also, but they were so antagonistic to receiving editing guidance, I had to give up. The woefulness of their post style (despite the quality of the technical material) perhaps gives another flavour of how post quality can go off the rails without better standards and enforcement mechanisms:
- Excessive headings, bold, italic, superscript, keyboard formatting, SHOUTY CAPITALS used for emphasis (often several at once)
- Hyperlinks on whole paragraphs
- Offers to help with commercial projects
- Editing lengthy moderation/editing complaints into their answers, and restoring them back several times when they are removed
- Swathes of copy and paste material repeated between answers
- Quote blocks used as a general highlighter
- Prose-style line breaks,
in paragraphs for no,
typographical,
reason - Ampersands and plus signs used stylistically instead of the word "and"
- Spaces inserted inside parentheses that sometimes result in ( orphaned brackets )
- Promotional links to their own questions in a specific tag (even after a moderator has asked them not to)
- Various English misspellings
- Lengthy and pointless tributes to famous computer scientists (with photographs)
Yes, unfortunately a lot of that rubbish is still there, and it is effectively uneditable. One can preserve a hell of a messy post history in quiet tags.
Addendum
As an aside, I have sometimes commented on Meta that we could use technology to help people write better posts. It would be an extension of this proposal, but rather than giving a template that is easily ignored, there'd be some sort of annoying Microsoft Paperclip that gives dynamic suggestions based on what they have typed so far ("you don't need to beg for help", "thanks in advance aren't necessary", "greetings and regards are best removed", "readers know to ask for more code if they need it" etc).
However, until and if that is implemented, we're stuck with a manual process.
:-)