A lot of work is going into making new users ask better questions, and I can only applaud the effort. I'm still wondering though, what about "grandfathered" users who consistently show that they don't quite know what they're doing, who ignore or even get angry at comments asking for clarification and who time and again ask questions that have been asked before, or aren't really answerable, or scream "I don't know what I'm doing"?
The first time you encounter a question of theirs, it might be something like
- How can I make a nail?
Someone who made a nail once or twice comes along, answers the question with some basic smithery advice and everyone happily buzzes along. Then a couple of hours later, a new question arises:
- How can I straighten a bent nail?
And sure, someone knows how to do so, explains that, and the OP can continue on their project. A couple of hours later, or perhaps the next day, another question arises:
- My shed collapsed, please advise me to make the best nails?
Then some other users get riled up, they go dig through the OP's asking history, explain the XY Problem and finally the OP accepts that they were simply looking to buy a box of screws so they could put up their "Build-a-Shed™" shed-in-a-box.
A week or so passes, the OP moves on to another project, and lo and behold, there's a new question:
- Where can I dig up the best clay?
Here we go again. Someone answers with the locations of some high-quality clay deposits in their region, the OP goes to dig there and everyone is happy. A couple of hours later...
- How can I make my fire colder?
Because their vase cracked while baking it. And so on, and so on, while in the end, they were looking for a bucket to carry some water from one place or another.
Of course these silly examples are just that; in reality these questions are generally, at least marginally, on-topic. They're just extremely badly researched, often duplicated by many others, and show that the OP doesn't really have a clue what they're doing.
In the meantime, for each problem they cause or encounter during their work day, they take away resources from tens if not hundreds of users who could've spent their time answering better, unique questions.
Those users have a problem, but they don't realize that. They lack a certain "knack" you'd expect an "enthusiast developer" to have, namely the drive to better themselves, to come here and actually learn something as opposed to getting a single roadblock out of the way only to come to a full stop again at the next block, and having to ask yet another question in which they don't show any research or understanding.
But if you dare comment and ask them what their end goal is, they go on Reddit and Hacker News and complain what a bunch of know-it-alls we are and how we think we know everything better than them, the enlightened ones who just want their damn question answered so they can continue with their important work.
I simply really, really want to slap some common sense into such people, preferably with the three pound book on Advanced Pottery, Volume II.
In my flagging history I now have around ten users who behave like that, and yesterday a small drama ensued here on Meta (question now deleted, of course) where another one which I never encountered before was furious that their 1600th (!) vague, one-liner question was closed as a duplicate and downvoted for being unclear.
Now my question is: what, if anything, should I do about such users? Should I keep flagging their questions and hope the moderators can maybe enlighten them by sending a moderator message? Or should I simply ignore their questions? Are there other options I overlooked?
Of course, I know I can downvote and close vote their questions when I "organically encounter them", but that feels like mopping with the tap open (lacking a better idiom).
This is not really a duplicate of What should we do about users who are proud to be help vampires?, because the accepted answer:
The correct method of dealing with any question which is off-topic, is to vote to close it. The correct method of dealing with any question which lacks research effort is to downvote it.
Does not work. So I'd rather consider this question to be a continuation of that one, because the question has not been satisfyingly answered.
The premise is also different. I'm not claiming these users willingly and knowingly act like a help vampire.
But if you dare comment and ask them what their end goal is, they go on Reddit and Hacker News
The real problem isn't that, it's all of the other SO users who say "how dare you question a legit question, I'm upvoting that because you're being so mean to someone who doesn't know better". I could care less about what Reddit thinks of me, it's the fact that these users are rewarded by the other SO users for posting this garbage, which lets them keep posting more of it.I have noticed that this is not the most friendly community when you are trying to learn how to do something.
you're right, and in an ideal world SO maybe would be fulfilling that role too. But the reality is, resources - people willing to answer questions for free while competent enough to do so well - are limited. Most competent answerers want interesting, somewhat higher level q's to remain engaged long term. This is bound to exclude newbies to some degree. Teaching how to learn & research something is a specialist job really - that of educators, book authors, course designers...