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TL;DR: Stack Exchange has a principle: the advertising is minimal, and shouldn't interfere with the contents of the sites. This works for all sites except Stack Overflow. Please fix this. Details below.


Today I happened to use Guest mode of my browser to search for something, got results from Stack Overflow, and was totally aghast when I saw this:

All I wanted was to read the question and its answers. After all, that's what Stack Overflow should be: Q&A site. But it's not. Not really, with the question and answers buried so deep.

Putting on my Visitor Hat, here is what I was thinking:

  1. I don't care about any Salary Calculator. If I would care for new shiny stuff in Stack Overflow, I can just click the bold orange "NEW" icon. Don't shove this into my unwilling face.
  2. I don't want to log in or create account. Just read the answers. Don't shove this HUGE, ENORMOUS, login dialog right there on half the page. It's distracting.
  3. I don't really care that Stack Overflow got over 50 million visitors per month. It's nice and awesome for Stack Overflow, but I am only one visitor who need to read something, and that self advertisement is hiding what I need. If I care how many others also visit, I'll find some "About Us" link and go there.

This is worse than advertisements. This is a terrible User Experience; the worst I've seen to be honest. No other site pushes so much useless content on each and every page, making the actual contents buried deep down.

Luckily for me, I already have account and usually logged in. I don't see any of this clutter. But speaking on behalf of those who don't have account or not always logged in, can this login dialog be hidden by default and pop in only when clicking something, e.g. "Log In" or "Sign Up" buttons?

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    "Why did you make an account?" "To get rid of that gigantic banner and signup form."
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Oct 15, 2017 at 14:56
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    @BoltClock yeah, like a door-to-door salesman who keeps nagging you to buy something until you have no choice but to buy it, so that he won't show up on your door every day. lol. Commented Oct 15, 2017 at 15:00
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    @Nicol Bolas: I think this feature request is meant to be read in the perspective of a user who doesn't yet have an account and isn't interested in making one. Perhaps Shadow Wizard should have made a sock puppet, suggested some bogus edits and posted this with the sock puppet, just to drive the point home (to the devs, of course, not you).
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Oct 15, 2017 at 15:57
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    Call me a cynic, but I think all we can expect here is yet another "we need to keep the lights on" answer. /sigh
    – yannis
    Commented Oct 15, 2017 at 16:44
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    @ShadowWizard Yes, there are other ways. But the big blue box isn't really about getting people to log in to Stack Overflow, the Q&A site we know and love. It's bait-and-switch for Jobs. Try it and see.
    – yannis
    Commented Oct 15, 2017 at 17:12
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    That banner takes up 40% of the screen. It's UI basics 101 that you don't put huge banners that make users scroll down the screen to get to what they clicked for. Commented Oct 15, 2017 at 17:19
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    I can has expertsexchange.com? Commented Oct 15, 2017 at 17:28
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    this is absolutely only for jobs @yannis - you're right. I just checked guest mode at a bunch of other sites in the Stack Exchange network and none other has this offensive banner. Because Jobs are only for SO, no other sites have it and no other site shoots that banner into visitors face. No wonder that the rest of SE network gets now more views than SO, with a deterrent like that
    – gnat
    Commented Oct 15, 2017 at 21:18
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    I would love a blog post on how it actually got to this point. I mean, this is an excellent example of how small gradual changes led to a disastrous final outcome. IMO is a great case study on how it can happen. Commented Oct 16, 2017 at 14:58
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    This is offensive and self-destructive. Outside of some illegal download sites, I don't think I've encountered another web page that covered three quarters of the screen with advertising like this. Stack Overflow will lose the next generation of programmers if it stays this way; they'll come, see the advertising, and decide that Stack Overflow is a shady place that they should not return to.
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Oct 16, 2017 at 15:03
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    Folks, I think we have a perfect storm of testing all coming together in a way that I'm not at all certain is intentional to begin with. Please hang tight while I find out what's going on, and then I'll write a proper answer. Note, I can already see that vacation calendars are going to make this tricky, but let me see what I can find out.
    – user50049
    Commented Oct 16, 2017 at 15:28
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    Okay, note, changes are coming to this (first being making the banner smaller, second being changing how and when the 'new' thing is shown to anonymous users); exact details of this will be in the fix for it and might take a day or two, at which time I'll know those exact details and (unsurprisingly) be able to explain them in a proper answer here. Hang tight.
    – user50049
    Commented Oct 16, 2017 at 15:33
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    The bait-and-switch part of this whole mess, which is the worst part really, is certainly not due to testing
    – yannis
    Commented Oct 16, 2017 at 17:07
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    @ShadowWizard The problem is that they came up with the banner to begin with - that suggests a lack of common sense. Similarly, introducing ugly "monochrome blob" icons because "everyone else got them". Seems like they are just mindlessly following what UI trends that are fashionable at the moment. As for the CEO, I don't think he is involved in the company much...
    – Lundin
    Commented Oct 17, 2017 at 7:02
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    My concern isn't really so much the cruft itself, but that SE corporate culture is now such that not only did someone come up with this idea in the first place, but then someone else said "yes, that's a good idea, let's do that". At best, the second part didn't happen, which would in turn mean that there is no review/testing for the very front page of the website. What does all this tell us, I wonder? Commented Oct 17, 2017 at 18:39

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I was about to defend some aspects of this, but fortunately I tried it out again in an incognito session, and it's actually much worse than I remember. I'm not sure if it changed in the meantime, is subject to A/B tests or if I simply didn't trigger the more annoying parts earlier.

My original impression is that this was only on the frontpage, for some reason I didn't see this on individual questions. But it's actually there on individual questions and on the frontpage, the only exception seems to be the Questions tab. So unless you dismiss it, this banner appears on every single question on the whole site.

This thing is dismissable, but only on the individual questions page, not on the frontpage. To make it worse, I missed that entirely at first because there is no "X" to dismiss on the frontpage, so I didn't really look for it later on the individual questions. But even then, the huge banner on the frontpage stays permanently, there is no way to remove it without signing up.

Now, once you dismissed it, you get another smaller banner nagging you to sign up on individual question pages. You can dismiss this as well, but really, I just dismissed the annoying big brother of that message, do you really have to force me to dismiss the small version manually as well?

The original idea of Stack Overflow was to maximize the signal-to-noise ratio, remove all the fluff present in most forums, and concentrate on the actual content. This header adds a whole lot of noise, but not really any signal.

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    Thanks for the support! As for its "little brother", it's probably the same banner we get on all other SE sites, and with that I'm actually kind of fine. But that huge banner is really over any possible edge. Commented Oct 15, 2017 at 15:06
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    @ShadowWizard My point is mostly that the banner appears directly after I dismissed a banner with the same content. I shouldn't have to dismiss this twice. Commented Oct 15, 2017 at 15:07
  • Sure, but that's probably worth a separate request or even bug report. Commented Oct 15, 2017 at 15:08
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    Yeah, it kinda puts the whole "we need to remove 'Thanks!' and other clutter from the questions and answers" into perspective, eh?
    – JeffC
    Commented Oct 15, 2017 at 18:19
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    > My original impression is that this was only on the frontpage Well, the frontpage is a little worse. Notice the additional horizontal bar (Stack Overflow Business Solutions) : i.imgur.com/ZcCInC2.jpg
    – leonbloy
    Commented Oct 17, 2017 at 14:47
  • Reduce to a small banner that encourages signing up by sharing... I'm also a fan of a pulsing "new" button to be honest. Really pop the flare. Showoff some creativity. Use the mac genie suck affect via html5 when they go off page load.
    – Shawn
    Commented Oct 17, 2017 at 21:00
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I tried this under incognito mode since I thought it could be that the OP's resolution was too low or something. This is what I see with a 1920x1080 resolution 23'' monitor.

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The actual space given to the answer at first sight is ~5% (I forgot that zoom settings were kept under incognito mode) ~28% of the SO frame and ~14% of the entire screen. That's bad.

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    Remember that site where you used to have to scroll all the way down to the very bottom of the page, past a bunch of advertising, in order to find the answer you came for? Hmm....
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Oct 15, 2017 at 17:47
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    @CodyGray: Are your really comparing SO to Expert Sex Change? Or what site are you referring to?
    – lxg
    Commented Oct 15, 2017 at 18:19
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    Even zoomed in, the point still stands – if the site needs to be zoomed in to be usable (which is an issue in its own right), then that's what criticism should be based on.
    – ash
    Commented Oct 15, 2017 at 21:17
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    @lxg I think his point was, shoving other things in your face invites comparison with that site. The similarity is considerable. If "it's not nearly as bad as expertsexchange" isn't damning with faint praise, I'm not sure what would be.
    – jthill
    Commented Oct 15, 2017 at 22:58
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    @jthill indeed. SO used to be a whole league above EE. Now with this horrible UX they are in the same league and only the quality content "save" it. Commented Oct 16, 2017 at 5:01
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    a.k.a. "we hired too many people to build banners so we need more banners to pay their salaries". It's a trap! Commented Oct 16, 2017 at 8:59
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    @ShadowWizard One banner that requires tweaks (a lot of tweaks imho) doesn't mean the entire UI is bad my friend. It's really well designed, clean simple, lighweight and gets constant improvements. You wanna see bad UI that You actually pay to experience - go visit Amazon or Ebay :-)
    – Skipper
    Commented Oct 16, 2017 at 9:25
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    And that's on a screen with a high resolution. On my laptop, the space given to the answer is 3% of the SO frame and 2% of the screen (and that's without turning off AdBlock). Commented Oct 16, 2017 at 13:42
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    @Skipper that's one banner that is showing in every single page and hiding every single piece of content. So yeah, that's about the entire UI. Commented Oct 16, 2017 at 15:23
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    At least SO isn't selling you a timeshare. Commented Oct 17, 2017 at 4:21
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    @MichaelGeary not yet. ;) Commented Oct 17, 2017 at 8:02
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    "Not as bad as someotherbunchofshysters.com" isn't really a very good argument for keeping it the way it is.
    – JeremyP
    Commented Oct 17, 2017 at 16:06
  • @CodyGray Looks like Expert Sex Change.com is up for sale. Know any good doctors looking to pay out the nose for a parked domain?
    – MonkeyZeus
    Commented Oct 18, 2017 at 12:21
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    @Monkey The real site uses a hyphen in its name... Still kicking. The total lack of content on the home page is distressingly familiar, though.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Oct 18, 2017 at 12:23
  • @CodyGray Yep, I noticed that. I honestly cannot remember if they've had the hyphen since the beginning though...
    – MonkeyZeus
    Commented Oct 18, 2017 at 12:25
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Okay, let me be clear. This big ass sign up hero was a bad idea. I was responsible for this decision and want to apologize to our community. This month we will be testing a few smaller designs that we hope will still encourage people to sign up without taking over their screens. Our goal is to test these designs and push one of them live before the end of the month.

A bit of background: In an attempt to move quickly and make improvements (inline sign up) we pushed this huge sign up hero for our anonymous users. We did it first on the home page, where I think the design is appropriate. As we shifted to updating the hero for the Question page, we got focused on a technical challenge. We needed to make it light weight enough that it wouldn't hurt perf on the question page which accounts for the vast majority of our page views. As the focus shifted to this challenge, I never really asked, "Is this a good idea? Is the right design for this experience?"

Once the perf problem was solved, we ran an A/B experiment it and I got excited by the huge gains that the new hero showed (~60% gains) So, we pushed it live. Those huge gains didn't hold up, but they were still significant (low double digits). However, it became clear that these weren't necessarily "good" sign ups. We weren't seeing the right level of engagement post sign-up. This data along with this community feedback was enough to make us reconsider the approach.

Thanks for being direct, honest and constructive in your feedback.

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    I'm always direct and honest, trying hard to be constructive as well. Thanks for the detailed reply! Commented Nov 8, 2017 at 20:55
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Looking at your screen shot I think that if SE team would want to have a maximal possible reach for without jeopardising providing users desired content they could put a banner at , about like as follows:

annoying jobs banner at sidebar

This would somewhat compromise job ads that currently occupy the suggested place (for anonymous users only because logged in ones will see job ads as they do now, because of disabled banner).

But I somehow feel like recovery of views and reputation lost because of current sub-optimal banner location would compensate for that minor loss.

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  • That's certainly an improvement. Commented Oct 17, 2017 at 19:00
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    definitely not in that color scheme... It kills my eyes.
    – NH.
    Commented Oct 17, 2017 at 21:07
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    this is more of a desperate idea @NathanArthur - as soon as I realised that it's unlikely to completely get jobs spam off the questions page (for the reasons of audience reach and... shall we say extremely strong desire to monetize content) I started thinking of how it would be possible to minimize its damage. In a perfect world there would be no banner at all
    – gnat
    Commented Oct 17, 2017 at 21:12
  • If this idea ever sees the light of day then maybe "GET JOB HERE!" could be below the HNQ?
    – MonkeyZeus
    Commented Oct 18, 2017 at 12:17
  • @MonkeyZeus I wouldn't be surprised if they do this because HNQ is also a big business with about 100K clicks a day :)
    – gnat
    Commented Oct 18, 2017 at 13:03
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    gnat: what's "HNQ"? Commented Nov 8, 2017 at 23:07
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    @DavidThomas HNQ stands for Hot Network Questions - hot-questions
    – gnat
    Commented Nov 9, 2017 at 4:32

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