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The current tag wiki for is:

Serde is a framework for serializing and deserializing Rust data structures efficiently and generically.

This definition came to me as expected. Serde is indeed a library that I'm familiar with. However, it seems that many other questions with this tag are referring to Hive's SerDe library from the Hadoop project. They are not the same thing, and should be disambiguated.

with : currently 34 questions

with : currently 59 questions

with neither of or : 6 questions, which I believe all of them relate to Hive SerDe.

Although Hive SerDe has existed for a while longer, the tag was initially created for Serde here (Sep 8 '16). Not long after, the tag was misused (from this perspective) in this question (Sep 12 '16).

I would like to hear from you what we should do with the base tag. I am somewhat biased towards keeping the current definition, but we can certainly think of alternatives. in particular:

  • Questions about Hive SerDe would fit in
  • Questions about Rust's Serde would fit in
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    Neither [rust][serde] nor [hive][serde] require any disambiguation. The [serde] tag is not nearly big enough to stand on its own so a primary tag is always required. Giving the tag a case of the dashing disease just creates silly tautologies. Oct 1, 2017 at 15:04
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    @HansPassant I disagree that we should currently treat serde as a tag for general serialization/deserialization matters. In fact, the tag has so far been used for either one, and both are bound by name to recognizable libraries in their respective development ecosystems.
    – E_net4
    Oct 1, 2017 at 15:12
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    You are just repeating what I already said. Yes, it needs a primary tag. And is thus not ambiguous. If a hapless SO user only used [serde] then just add the appropriate tag. Oct 1, 2017 at 15:22
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    @HansPassant Since there is nowhere any requirement that questions have "primary tags", nor a clear categorization of what counts as "primary" versus "secondary" tags, much less any kind of software assistance for new users (who are not to be ignored merely because they're "hapless"!) to know that questions need a "primary" tag, I don't think it makes sense to assume that the situation is fine as is on that basis. Oct 3, 2017 at 16:30
  • SO users are in general plenty smart enough to avoid tagging a question with only [hive-serge]. They know that nobody looks at it. In the unusual case that somebody still runs into it anyway then you of course don't "ignore" it, you retag it. Doh. Creating tags that nobody wants to nor should use, what the heck is the point. Oct 3, 2017 at 17:04
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    @HansPassant Would you like to answer the question? I don't think I fully understand your point.
    – E_net4
    Oct 3, 2017 at 17:51

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should remain focused on the Rust library of the same name and the other questions should be retagged as .

  1. The majority of questions about Hive SerDe already have . If is big enough that people would follow it, then can be removed from these questions and then only needs to be applied. This would give back a tag slot for something more useful. If isn't popular enough to have people watch it, then there's no harm in leaving both and .

  2. Hive SerDe has existed since at least 2011, but no one ever thought to create a tag for it. The Rust library is much newer but comparatively more active.

  3. Squatter's rights — the tag was about the Rust library "first" ^_^

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    "Combining these two tags into hive-serde gives back a tag slot for something more useful." While simultaneously ensuring that people who know Hive but not SerDe cannot find those questions, even though they might be able to answer them. I'm fine with having a hive-serde tag, but people should still use the hive tag. Oct 1, 2017 at 21:15
  • @NicolBolas wat? "hive-serde" tagged questions still appear to those that where following hive, if it's merged or synonymized as this answer proposes. You could argue the other part (that it would be incorrect to tag a hive question with hive-serde), but the discoverability argument is simply off mark.
    – Braiam
    Oct 2, 2017 at 14:29
  • @Braiam: He wasn't suggesting that the tags be "merged or synonymized". Note that the post makes no statement about synonyms; Shepmaster says "combining". He's saying that, on Hive SerDe questions, the "hive" tag be replaced by "hive-serde". Oct 2, 2017 at 15:08
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    @NicolBolas remember that most people don't understand the subtleties of tags, for me "Combining these two tags into hive-serde" means "Merge these two tags into hive-serde".
    – Braiam
    Oct 2, 2017 at 15:11
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    @Braiam: Shepmaster has 90k+ rep and has been on SO longer than you. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that he knows how the site works. Plus, as you point out, it's fundamentally incorrect to tag a non-Hive SerDe question with "hive-serde". Given those two facts, I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that he meant exactly and only what he said. If he meant to make them synonyms, he would have said that. Oct 2, 2017 at 15:14
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    @NicolBolas I've seen 100k members that were on SO since the beginnings of time answering off topic/duplicated question, so I presume nothing.
    – Braiam
    Oct 2, 2017 at 20:20
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    This can very easily be settled by the answerer: Edit the answer to clarify.
    – John Y
    Oct 2, 2017 at 23:04
  • @Braiam First "shenanigan"! :) Given that Shepmaster does have a regular presence on SO, I would preferably let him edit his own answer, using words of his own. I don't see how your edit makes this issue clearer.
    – E_net4
    Oct 3, 2017 at 15:38
  • @E_net4 I claim that he meant "merge" for "combine", which are synonyms. Now the author disagreed with that, yet his rollback does clarify either. One would expect a user with regular presence on SO to know that when there are two interpretations, the answer should be clarified. Again, I presume nothing.
    – Braiam
    Oct 3, 2017 at 15:43
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    @Braiam presume that it takes literal time to type things; give me more than zero seconds between the rollback and the subsequent edit.
    – Shepmaster
    Oct 3, 2017 at 15:49
  • I presume that you know that you don't even have to rollback to edit, right? I presume you know that, so I presume you simply didn't wanted to, which is actually accurate.
    – Braiam
    Oct 3, 2017 at 15:50
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    @Braiam You are missing the point. Whenever we conclude that something contains ambiguous wording, we should let the author of the content disambiguate it. Presuming nothing is a way to be on the safe side, sure. But then again, so is letting the author do the rephrasing rather than overriding that with a personal interpretation.
    – E_net4
    Oct 3, 2017 at 15:55
  • @E_net4 no, we should not! Shog already settled that issue almost 3 years back: NO it's not appropriate to change a question such that it no longer reflects what the asker needed help with - but in order to edit effectively without doing that, you must first understand the intent of the author! How? Communicate with the author! And guess what... Editing is a form of communication!" I communicated with the author, by editing the post, he simply rolled it back instead of directly editing what he actually meant.
    – Braiam
    Oct 3, 2017 at 16:01
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    There was nothing inappropriate with Shepmaster's behavior here: reverting that edit before a proper clarification only makes intent more explicit.
    – E_net4
    Oct 3, 2017 at 16:16
  • Heh, surprisingly the poster and the answerer both have similar profile pictures. Feb 10, 2019 at 23:30

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