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The badge Sportsmanship has been around for quite a time now, but only been awarded 2423 times at the time of this suggestion.

Since this badge was created to promote.. well.. sportsmanship, and to avoid vote wars against users having competing answers on the same question, why don't we promote this badge to gold?

In a sense, it seems this badge is either hard to obtain (only awarded ~2k) or does not encourage sportsmanship enough.

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    Yep, that's an average of just less than 1 award per day in the 7 years since being introduced. Commented Sep 17, 2017 at 15:53
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    Strongly related: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/323487/…
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Sep 17, 2017 at 16:03
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    @CodyGray in fact, I just found a (perfect?) duplicate: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/116735/… on meta.
    – YSC
    Commented Sep 17, 2017 at 16:06
  • No, because it's on the other Meta site :-)
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Sep 17, 2017 at 16:06
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    That is asking a different thing than your question. Your thesis is that 100 is rare enough and so few people achieve it that it should be gold already isn't it? Commented Sep 17, 2017 at 16:06
  • @MartinSmith You're right.
    – YSC
    Commented Sep 17, 2017 at 16:07
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    I agree that it would be good to encourage upvoting competing answers more, but the level of the badge doesn't necessarily indicate how difficult it is to obtain. For example, in my opinion, bronze tag badges are a lot harder to earn than for example Copy Editor or Electorate. Commented Sep 17, 2017 at 18:05
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    The proposal has already been shot down before. You might get somewhere if you ask for the badge to be awarded more than once. Which still gets you the mileage you are looking for afaict. With some luck this could make the query less expensive and therefore attractive. Commented Sep 17, 2017 at 19:41
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    @HansPassant The proposal in the actual question is just changing the colour of an existing badge. Not adding additional badges or changing the criteria in any way. Has that been shot down previously? Commented Sep 17, 2017 at 19:51
  • There were about 260 awards handed out when the badge was first introduced (259 if my counting and arithmetic is accurate). That reduces the number awarded since the badge was introduced, but since that's less than 1 a day, maybe it isn't important. Not all gold badges get one awarded every day — any specific gold tag badge, in particular, is not awarded that often, in general. (Is there a tag where gold badges are awarded daily? If there is, it must one of the select few like Java or JavaScript with a huge volume of questions.) Commented Sep 17, 2017 at 20:52
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    I personally tried to get it, but there are not many questions (which I answered) for which there are other good answers to be voted on. =(
    – justhalf
    Commented Sep 17, 2017 at 23:55
  • Note: on meta.SO sportsmanship has only been awarded 17 times
    – YSC
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 7:48

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Why not introduce two new badges for this - one bronze, and one gold - and give it a more formal tier?

  • Bronze: Courtesy, upvote 10 competing answers
  • Gold: Chivalry, upvote 250 competing answers

This gives the hint that users should be doing it more, because a lot of them will receive the bronze-level badge, and realize that it's something that we want more people to do more often. The gold badge then gives the rest of us something awesome to aim for.

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    Ugh, these really need to be named "Courteous" and "Chivalrous", but then that wouldn't match with "Sportsmanship". :-( Also, might want to rethink "Chivalry", given its masculine implications.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Sep 17, 2017 at 17:44
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    " The code that supports the Sportmanship badge relies on a pretty expensive SQL query to work and before implementing more similar badges we would have to spend some time optimizing or rewriting it."
    – Braiam
    Commented Sep 17, 2017 at 17:45
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    @Braiam: Okay. Good to know that there's a performance cost with this class of badge then. Might be a good time to look into this since it's a fairly old feature request at heart.
    – Makoto
    Commented Sep 17, 2017 at 17:55
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    @CodyGray Alas SportsMANship. Fair play? Team player? Teamwork? Objective? Egoless? (Idless/Egoless/Superegotistic?) Socialist?
    – philipxy
    Commented Sep 17, 2017 at 18:40
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    @Braiam - Try posting on codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/sql
    – user4039065
    Commented Sep 17, 2017 at 21:14
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    Well, ... Sports person ship then (I'm so tired of this). I like the given proposal, though, regardless of whether there can be a consensus for the names.
    – Marco13
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 2:42
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    250 competing answers? That supposes you got 250 upvoted answers... on 250 questions where there are multiple good answers. That's too hard, Makoto.
    – Cœur
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 3:21
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    @Cœur: No one said gold badges should be easy. Attainable isn't easy. This badge is definitely attainable, though.
    – Makoto
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 3:25
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    @Carpetsmoker: Gotta be honest here: I'm following the theme of "sportsmanship". Not everything has to be about the gender of words. There's no intended gender bias, and I'd rather that be the focus.
    – Makoto
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 3:40
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    @Makoto "no intended gender bias"--ha ha ha.
    – philipxy
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 4:27
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    Female s/w engineer here. Get a grip, I don't care if it's called Chivalrous and oh, the "man" in sportsmanship, I can feel a swoon coming on now...not. Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 7:20
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    @SList Yes! sometimes words are less important than intent.
    – YSC
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 7:37
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    @Makoto What you suggest is what was suggested on meta (meta.stackexchange.com/questions/116735/…) back in 2011. It is only related to this topic: changing the color of the current, existing badge.
    – YSC
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 7:38
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    Can we please drop the gender debate? This is about changing the colour / category of a badge.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 7:48
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    I'd prefer if we do something in line with OP's request, which is make 100 the gold badge amount, and add a new silver badge at the 50 level. Or we could do a silver badge at 50 and a gold at 150 or 200. I think 250 would be very very rare indeed... At any rate, the fact that the silver badge level is 100 is something we can probably all agree needs to change.
    – TylerH
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 13:15
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Or we accept the fact that votes hardly mean anything, and that we don't need to hand out any motivation whatsoever to make more people vote more, because that will inflate a vote's value even more.

I upvote a competing answer if it taught me something, if the answerer approached the problem in a way I hadn't imagined or if it contains the same content as my (would-be) answer (and I'll successively remove my answer if they were first).

On the other hand I expect other answerers to do the same. If they don't, I should write better answers to better questions, not seek some kind of motivation for them to simply upvote my answers because there's something in it ("it" being the voting, not the answer) for them.

What problem were we solving here again and why would handing out more badges solve that problem?

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    Sooo ... all badge should be removed? It that your point?
    – YSC
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 11:13
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    yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope, but for all I care, yes. If we then get rid of robo-reviewers as well, then it's fine with me. Again, I'm asking what problem we're solving by handing out more badges.
    – CodeCaster
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 11:16
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    This is not a logical fallacy: you just wrote a pamphlet against badges. I don't disagree with you, I'm just trying to understand your suggestion. Is it to remove all badges altogether?
    – YSC
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 11:20
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    I agree. If people vote so they'd get a badge, they're voting for the wrong reason. No doubt the team had good intentions when introducing this badge, but I don't see the need for it to exist.
    – user247702
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 11:23
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    Badges is a way to present to the users what is expected of them. Electorate encourages them to vote on questions, Steward encourages them to participate in the review system, and Sportsmanship encourages them to upvote good competing answers.
    – YSC
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 11:26
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    Badges are* a way ^ But does it really encourage them to upvote JUST good competing answers, or all competing answer because GOTTA GET DAT GOLD BADGE @YSC
    – CraigR8806
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 13:27
  • @CraigR8806 I have no idea. But is it related to the issue?
    – YSC
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 13:30
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    @YSC How is this not related to the issue??? You want to increase the level of the Sportsmans badge to gold... thus increasing the desire for the badge. What does this do, it causes people to vote more liberally because they want an easy gold badge. Yes, it will encourage some to be more "Sportsman"-like. However, you will also draw a larger crowd of those just drooling hard over the opportunity to get a gold badge by just answering 100 questions and up-voting a competing answer in each. Also, calls in to question the quality of those 100 answers if they're just there to progress in badge'
    – CraigR8806
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 13:34
  • @CodeCaster If votes don't mean anything, where did all your rep come from? :-) Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 14:33
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    The intent of the badge was to promote participation amongst users who would not upvote a competing answer simply because it's a competing answer. By adding more incentives to do this, the stigma of not upvoting a competing answer lessens, and gives participants a reward for doing so. That is the problem, and that is how it is being addressed.
    – Makoto
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 14:33
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    @Makoto and my point is that if users need a badge to stimulate that, those users are probably better left to not voting at all.
    – CodeCaster
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 14:34
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    @Jason by people "liking" my answers. :)
    – CodeCaster
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 14:34
  • This lends more credence to @YSC's slipper slope argument. We already have badges for voting. What's the harm in enhancing one of them?
    – Makoto
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 14:35
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    @Makoto see the last sentence of my answer. I don't want people handing out upvotes because it gives them a badge, I want them to do so because they evaluated the answer and found it a good one. Just like review badges, I don't think this proposal will do more good than harm.
    – CodeCaster
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 14:36
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    @CodeCaster: I don't disagree with that sentiment, but there's only anecdotal evidence and supposition to infer that this is inherently harmful. Review badges are bad because the system heavily favors activity over quality. To qualify for a Sportsmanship badge, someone has to upvote your answer first.
    – Makoto
    Commented Sep 18, 2017 at 15:00

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