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Previously I've come along this audit, the content of which is clearly highly offensive.

And as stated in this answer:

We do not create review audits from posts that were flagged as offensive

Part of the be nice policy is:

Inappropriate language or attention. Avoid vulgar terms and anything sexually suggestive. Also, this is not a dating site.

This post isn't advertising anything, and yet was flagged as spam. Yet it does violate the be nice policy and wasn't flagged as rude or abusive.

It's previously been mentioned that a possibility would be to:

add an extra check into the code to explicitly exclude posts with a helpful offensive flag. The graph below shows the number of posts that have at least one of both helpful spam flags and helpful offensive flags, grouped by the month the post was created.

Is there a reason why this cannot be implemented as content like this should never make it to audits?

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    Do you actually need to click that link to review that item?
    – Servy
    Commented Sep 7, 2017 at 15:32
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    @Servy not this one in particular no Commented Sep 7, 2017 at 15:32
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    Have you ever been in the situation where you needed to click on a spam link to review a post? I know I haven't, and I've reviewed quite a lot of spam posts.
    – Servy
    Commented Sep 7, 2017 at 15:33
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    @NathanOliver Presumably the warning would be before even entering the queue that some number of items will be NSFW, not on an individual item.
    – Servy
    Commented Sep 7, 2017 at 15:34
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    @KevinB The feature would just be a warning that everyone always see before entering the queue, so no person would need to indicate anything.
    – Servy
    Commented Sep 7, 2017 at 15:38
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    @NickA So now we're to a point where we're worrying about something that no one has ever actually seen even a single instance of it happening, and to prevent this mythical situation you're suggesting that we inform people that in the queue where they're going to spend their time looking for spam to remove they might end up coming across some spam. This all seems rather unnecessary...
    – Servy
    Commented Sep 7, 2017 at 15:41
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    @Servy I don't know... might get more people interested in reviewing if we tempt them with "fr33 pr0n links" may be found! :p
    – Jon Clements Mod
    Commented Sep 7, 2017 at 15:42
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    @Servy No, I'm saying there should be a warning for posts like the above and this as offensive posts can slip through the net. I'm not even suggesting that a warning appears every time you enter the queue but at least the first time. As it stands there is no indication of the sort of content that may be seen in review, and for those that have only seen the good side of SO it may come as a surprise, and hence forth put them off review if easily offended Commented Sep 7, 2017 at 15:42
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    @Servy and yet it doesn't say it in the SE queue where spam can be introduced, and even if not the case of adding a warning, this shouldn't have been an audit as it falls under "A reasonable person would find this content inappropriate for respectful discourse." Commented Sep 7, 2017 at 15:52
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    @NickA And even if SO was 100% perfect at keeping content that you find offensive out of audits, the whole point of the queue itself is to specifically identify bad content in actual posts. You're going to see plenty of non-audit posts that are spam or offensive, that will require you to mark them as such. If you're unwilling to sift through posts trying to identify good and bad content, but it's unacceptable to you to come across bad content, then don't volunteer to sift through content and find the bad stuff. The people doing it realize that they will occasionally see bad content.
    – Servy
    Commented Sep 7, 2017 at 15:55
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    The post is spam. It meets the criteria for it in every respect.
    – Servy
    Commented Sep 7, 2017 at 15:59
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    Regarding the new title, I think spam was a perfectly valid flag for the question in question. It contained a spammy link to an external site. Now, it just so happens that it was a spammy link to NSFW content, but that just means it fits both "spam" and "rude/abusive" criteria. And castigating people for not properly imposing a salience ranking on these two flags is absurd. The important thing is to get garbage flagged with a reasonably accurate flag so it can be removed. The real problem here is that we are now dissecting that garbage, months later. I'm straining to see why.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Sep 7, 2017 at 16:02
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    @NickA: That doesn't mean that the action taken was wrong. Additionally I think it makes for one of the best audits out there; if you somehow think that a link to a porn site (and you really don't have to click it) makes for an on-topic question, you have no right to review anything.
    – Makoto
    Commented Sep 7, 2017 at 16:12
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    @NickA: Yes. Pick one. It will make its way into the incinerator.
    – Makoto
    Commented Sep 7, 2017 at 16:14
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    Ugh. Chameleon questions are just as bad on Meta as they are on the main site. If you want to totally change your question after you've posted it and attracted discussion, then you should probably post a new question. Also, with the new focus, it's unclear to me how this is materially different from your last discussion on the same topic, using the same example.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Sep 8, 2017 at 5:17

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You changed the example you linked to here, so now the comments don't make sense.

The fix for your new example is probably to exclude anything flagged as "rude or abusive" from audits. As of December 14, 2018, this is done.

The fix for your old example... Is nothing. That's exactly the sort of spam that regularly gets posted and the purpose of audits is to train folks to recognize it (without following the links) and delete it so that no one has to risk their job or mental wellbeing.

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  • The fix for your new example is probably to exclude anything flagged as "rude or abusive" from audits. My understanding is that already happens. For the specific example shown, the post was not an audit, and it was shown before it was deleted as offensive. It going into the review queue helped it get more delete votes/flags quicker than if it wouldn't have, so that all looks good.
    – Servy
    Commented Sep 7, 2017 at 21:03
  • The audit currently linked to from the question here dates to back in June, and was deleted by a combination of (one) spam and several offensive flags a few days earlier, @Servy. The link itself goes to the audit, not any other review task; there is no review queue for spam or offensive posts. The post was briefly in the First Posts queue, but was deleted before being reviewed.
    – Shog9 Mod
    Commented Sep 7, 2017 at 21:09
  • Oh, I didn't notice that it was deleted before the audit, then undeleted, then re-deleted, I just saw the deletion date as being after the audit review date.
    – Servy
    Commented Sep 7, 2017 at 21:12
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    Yeah, Nick's re-using an example from a previous meta post @Servy (after being roundly criticized for his original example). Back in June, a moderator undeleted and re-flagged the current example in order to make it ineligible for use as an audit.
    – Shog9 Mod
    Commented Sep 7, 2017 at 21:13
  • @Shog9 Yes, the example used here is in reference to the previous meta post, also posted by me. The potential improvement to the system suggested by animuson in their answer to that post is now the subject of this feature request, I've retracted my previous statements on the spam post as ultimately, the post was also spam and hence the flag was valid. Commented Sep 7, 2017 at 23:23
  • @Shog9 Does spam really live long enough these days to go into review queues? I've never actually seen spam in review queues, afaik. Only in smokey reports. Is it still necessary to hit reviewers in the face with spam audits in this time and age?
    – Magisch
    Commented Sep 8, 2017 at 11:42
  • First Posts, Late Answers and Triage often feature spam, @Magisch - posts can end up in those queues before anyone else sees them. Low Quality is less likely (especially on Stack Overflow), but still possible.
    – Shog9 Mod
    Commented Sep 8, 2017 at 20:00

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