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https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/16842487

My edit makes a simple grammar fix of a sentence that is otherwise grammatically invalid. The edit was rejected, however, by two people. I don't agree with the reasons they gave at all. Could anyone suggest what's wrong with the edit?

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    Yes it's useful, but only ever so slightly. But in the big scheme of things, really how important is this? Jul 27, 2017 at 21:25
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    Even without that edit the post is still readable and has been since 2008. I personally wonder if become is even correct there but I'm not a native speaker. If there is only one small mistake to fix I would be very hesitant to make such edits as your edits needs to be reviewed. Better focus on the new posts that come in and need spelling, grammar, code formatting and the removal of fluff. Much better spend time, by you and for the reviewers.
    – rene
    Jul 27, 2017 at 21:27
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    @AndreyPortnoy to look at it from the other side, why submit such a minimal edit given that multiple people will have to spend time to review it? Try to make more substantive contributions.
    – jonrsharpe
    Jul 27, 2017 at 21:31
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    @AndreyPortnoy Yes, there is. You're consuming the time of several reviewers, bumping the post, taking up a position in the queue until your edit is reviewed, preventing other edits (that would actually be useful) from being suggested, preventing that post from being edited while your edit is pending, rewarding you for a behavior that's not actually helpful, etc. Edits have a cost, particularly when they require review from others. If you want to suggest edits, make sure they're actually useful.
    – Servy
    Jul 27, 2017 at 21:34
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    @AndreyPortnoy I don't see it as being useful, and neither did the people that rejected it, which is why they rejected it. You think it adds value, they disagreed. A cure for cancer would be great, but the bar is slightly lower than that, you just need to suggest edits that add more value than they cost. It's not hard to do.
    – Servy
    Jul 27, 2017 at 21:42
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    @AndreyPortnoy I don't see your correction as an obviously correct correction, no. If you're going to suggest an edit, why would you decide to suggest one that's not of value, instead of suggesting one that is?
    – Servy
    Jul 27, 2017 at 21:49
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    @Servy you might as well write an answer as I can't find an appropriate dupe. The closest I could find was this
    – rene
    Jul 27, 2017 at 21:55
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    Just throwing this out there: if the grammatical mistake was that bad, why did nobody think to edit it in the nine years it's been live?
    – Joe C
    Jul 27, 2017 at 22:02
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    @AndreyPortnoy: We force people to make significant changes because we don't want people farming rep by finding typos. Approved edits are worth 2 rep until you get universal editing privileges, and we only want to give rep for things that actually matter. Jul 27, 2017 at 23:19
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    What's happening here is that you have your own idea about how edits (in particular, suggested edits) work on Stack Overflow, and we're trying to tell you how edits actually work on Stack Overflow. There are good reasons for the way edits actually work that have been arrived at over many years, so please consider that before throwing around words like "toxic".
    – Ajean
    Jul 27, 2017 at 23:20
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    @AndreyPortnoy The community, I imagine.
    – Rob Mod
    Jul 28, 2017 at 0:24
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    @AndreyPortnoy I never mentioned my stance on the issue; just clarifying what I took to mean their meaning of 'we' to be. Though Nicol does raise a good point about people deliberately making trivial edits in order to gain reputation (and thus privileges)
    – Rob Mod
    Jul 28, 2017 at 0:30
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    @AndreyPortnoy: "The community of people that oppose fixing a glaring typo on a post with over 1 million views?" No, the community of people that oppose letting people gain 2 rep from fixing a typo. Jul 28, 2017 at 0:34
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    I personally wonder if become is even correct there... @rene It wasn't. Rob's edit added the word "are" which is correct.
    – BSMP
    Jul 28, 2017 at 4:27
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    @BSMP evil minds might think that it had to be become because only that is 6 letters, the minimal for an edit to go through anyway....
    – rene
    Jul 28, 2017 at 6:56

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This is a perpetual problem, unfortunately, and has been ever since the suggested edits system was invented.

The issue is, as has already been explained to you in the comments, that the reviewers felt your edit was too minor. In other words, they thought the edit was trivial and did not substantially improve the post. Therefore, they rejected it. That's a completely valid reason to reject an edit, but it is obviously a subjective one. Different reviewers will and do have different standards for what makes an edit "substantial".

Naturally, the next question is, why are trivial edits bad? The answer (again, as has already been revealed in the comments) is two-fold:

  1. You are awarded reputation points when your suggested edit is approved, so submitting a rash of excessively trivial edits is a form of reputation farming and widely considered to be a relatively inappropriate (if not downright abusive) way of gaining reputation (and therefore, most importantly, privileges on the site).

  2. Suggested edits have to be reviewed and approved by at least two other trusted users. The idea is, this is a reasonable use of their time as long as the edits are substantially improving the site for everyone. However, if the edits are trivial, this is wasting the time of those two reviewers, who could have been spending that time doing other things to improve the site (posting answers, making edits of their own, etc.).

Your edit was not wrong, and it's easy to imagine that had two different people reviewed it, it would have been approved. At the same time, the rejection was valid—I can certainly see how someone would consider this too trivial (and I'm quite a stickler about grammar). Hopefully you can now understand their perspective, too.

What can you do about this going forward? You really only have three options:

  1. Only submit edits where you are making substantial revisions to the post. In other words, only make edits that are obviously non-trivial.

  2. If you want to make what would otherwise be a trivial edit like this one, go through the rest of the post with a fine-toothed comb and fix any other trivial problems that might be there. In this case, there are a couple of commas omitted and a couple of phrases (like "Stores local data, return addresses, used for parameter passing") that don't make sense and should be rewritten.

    The idea here is, by making a large number of trivial edits, the entire edit is no longer trivial.

    Note, though, that this only works well for those with exceptional English skills. If you're not a native speaker, or struggled in English grammar courses, you will probably just end up doing more harm than good if you try to do this. Best to leave it for someone else to handle.

  3. Insist that your edit was reasonable (as I said above, you do have a leg to stand on) and keep suggesting edits like this one, taking your chances with the reviewers. Some of them will get approved; some of them will get rejected. I'm not too sure what your odds are of approval vs. rejection, and this is risky because too many rejected edits will temporarily ban you from making additional suggestions.

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    "Your edit was not wrong" I wouldn't even say that. It used the wrong tense, making the edited version incorrect.
    – Servy
    Jul 28, 2017 at 13:51
  • @Servy Not true. Jul 28, 2017 at 15:25
  • Thank you for your answer, Cody! Jul 28, 2017 at 15:26
  • @AndreyPortnoy And why is that?
    – Servy
    Jul 28, 2017 at 15:28
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    @Servy Because I used the right tense, making the edited version a grammatically correct, legible sentence. Jul 28, 2017 at 15:29
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    @AndreyPortnoy But you used the wrong tense, making the edited version a grammatically incorrect, illegible sentence.
    – Servy
    Jul 28, 2017 at 15:30
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    @Servy Can you make an actual argument, please? Jul 28, 2017 at 15:33
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    I don't see how the edit used the wrong tense. The "and" is potentially confusing here, so leave it out and re-read the sentence: "Variables created on the stack…become automatically deallocated." That looks correct to me. What am I missing? Jul 28, 2017 at 15:33
  • @CodyGray It doesn't become automatically deallocated in the future. It's a property that has always, and currently is, true, for that object. It doesn't "become" automatically deallocated later, it is automatically deallocated ("are" in the sentence in question, as it's pluralized there).
    – Servy
    Jul 28, 2017 at 15:37

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