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I just tried to post a LMGTFY link in a comment (ok, ok, I realise it's rude, I shouldn't have tried it in the first place) and was greeted with a message informing me we're not allowed to do that (which stopped me doing a silly thing).

lmgtfy not allowed

The issue is, it says Please see: Why can't I post LMGTFY links? but there's no link in the red popup, and clicking it just makes the message disappear.

There's definitely no link:

definitely no link

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    There's a hint of irony in the fact that it's not directly linking to an answer, but rather, leaving the user to search for the answer themselves. Perhaps this should be status-bydesign?
    – Rob Mod
    Commented Jun 20, 2017 at 0:21
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    @Rob Haha I hadn't noticed the irony of it :P Not sure how this should be status-bydesign though, it's clearly intended to have a link.
    – Clonkex
    Commented Jun 20, 2017 at 0:29
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    Technically, there is no indication that it's supposed to be a link. But you would expect it to be a link for usability reasons. So maybe this of more of a feature request than a bug. Commented Jun 20, 2017 at 0:33
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    @KodosJohnson I would say it strongly implies it should be a link by saying Please see: and then using a very specific title. I could be wrong, of course; there's no explicit evidence that it should be a link. But it's worded in such a way that I would be extremely surprised if the intention was for us to open a new tab, google it (because you can't even block-select, right-click and "Search google for...") and hope we (which could be a new, inexperienced user) find the correct link to click in the search results.
    – Clonkex
    Commented Jun 20, 2017 at 0:38
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    I agree that it is not good thing in User experience but it isn't a bug either unless it says Please see the link.
    – Enzokie
    Commented Jun 20, 2017 at 0:43
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    @Enzokie It's a bug if it isn't intended behaviour. Presumably someone who knows for sure will respond at some point so (IMHO) there's no point speculating until they do.
    – Clonkex
    Commented Jun 20, 2017 at 0:47
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    sed 's/see/google/g'
    – Cœur
    Commented Jun 20, 2017 at 2:41
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    "Please see" has a long history in dead tree paper formats; it doesn't imply you can click on anything.
    – Kaz
    Commented Jun 20, 2017 at 6:27
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    @Kaz: so in printed edition of stackoverflow it would be fine. In hypertext edition information is expected to be, well, hyperlinked. Commented Jun 20, 2017 at 6:33
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    @HansPassant, That now returns this question as the top result, thus demonstrating the uselessness of "let me google that for you" comments.
    – ymbirtt
    Commented Jun 20, 2017 at 9:54
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    @ymbirtt the first result is not the only result. If you give up after clicking the first link, then I'd say there is a "lack of research effort" from your side. You should at least go through a bunch of stuff and read some articles before you expect strange people on the internet to spent more time for you, than you actually spent for yourself
    – T J
    Commented Jun 20, 2017 at 10:38
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    @ymbirtt I feel like you didn't read the question :/
    – Clonkex
    Commented Jun 20, 2017 at 11:34
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    it seems that people in this discussion are talking about LMGTFY validity and not on what OP has noticed, that there is a missing link, i'm actually interested on what is on the other side
    – Ernis
    Commented Jun 20, 2017 at 13:50
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    @AndersonPimentel You obviously didn't read the question. This is about the text of the error message not being hyperlinked to anything even though it implies that it is linked to something
    – Gab
    Commented Jun 22, 2017 at 17:11
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    But you can link to LMDDGTFY! lmddgtfy.net/?q=Why%20can%27t%20I%20post%20LMGTFY%20links%3F Commented Jun 22, 2017 at 19:00

2 Answers 2

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Well, this appears to be one of those non-obvious behaviors that cause nothing but headaches: the internal logic adds a rel attribute to the link that then causes the sanitizer to strip the link out entirely.

Fortunately, there's an easy work-around, and since only like two people ever use this tool it should be easy enough to remember. I've fixed this one & will do a spot-check on other blacklist entries to ensure they work too.

Screenshot courtesy of Steven Vascellaro

Thanks for the report. Kudos to bluefeet for asking around about it internally and Adam Lear for diagnosing the root cause.

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    I question the validity of "easy enough to remember". My memory isn't as good as it used to be. Fortunately I tend to just cargo cult this sort of thing.
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Jun 22, 2017 at 20:08
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    I mean... For new messages it's pretty easy to remember 'cause they obviously don't work. This one was hard to diagnose because it's been a lotta years since I added it.
    – Shog9
    Commented Jun 22, 2017 at 20:09
  • Awesome, glad it was fixed properly!
    – Clonkex
    Commented Jun 22, 2017 at 22:40
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    I love that it's basically google query :)
    – Braiam
    Commented Jun 23, 2017 at 0:03
  • Doesn't seem to work? imgur.com/a/GRMMR I get the HTML code of the link.
    – GolezTrol
    Commented Jun 23, 2017 at 6:52
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    Yeah, it's all busted for editing comments, @GolezTrol. Works for posting them though. Might be worth another bug report.
    – Shog9
    Commented Jun 23, 2017 at 15:15
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Instead of adding a link, I'd propose this small modification in the message text as a solution:


Google that for yourself


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    Why though? Why not just add a link? It seems like if you're there editing the box anyway, why not just add a link?
    – Clonkex
    Commented Jun 21, 2017 at 22:30
  • I mean I have nothing against googling, but it just seems like a workaround solution when it would be so incredibly easy to add a clickable hyperlink.
    – Clonkex
    Commented Jun 21, 2017 at 22:32
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    Why though? Why add a link? It seems like if you're posting links to LMGTFY anyway, you apparently like people to search, even if the link to the right solution was already at hand.
    – GolezTrol
    Commented Jun 21, 2017 at 22:32
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    So it's to troll people that want to post LMGTFY links? That seems a bit childish and unproductive. Usually people try to post LMGTFY links when it's blatantly obvious that the person asking the question didn't even try to google the solution before posting. It's used to berate people for not searching first. I understand that person may have tried to search but not known the terminology, for instance, so the LMGTFY link would be insulting and rude. However it doesn't make sense to force the person trying to post the LMGTFY link to type the search into google.
    – Clonkex
    Commented Jun 21, 2017 at 22:40
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    Clonkex, aww come on. It's funny and actually useful, because that small text already explains pretty well what the problem is with links to Google or the general advice to google. If you think this is trolling already, you should grow thicker skin, or the internet will kill you. Links to LMGTFY are childish and unproductive in the same way (just a direct link to a google search would be faster for both parties and slightly less rude). My suggestion is to indicate that in a playful way. If you (or other LMGTFY'ers) are angry because of this, it only proves the point.
    – GolezTrol
    Commented Jun 21, 2017 at 22:46
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    I'm not angry in the least, nor would I personally feel trolled by it (only inconvenienced that I have to remember and manually search the text if I want to know why we're not allowed to post LMGTFY links). But I do feel like SO is meant to be a professional and courteous place, and that the website itself should not set an example for trolling. Out of curiosity, did you photoshop the image to change the text, or just edit the HTML and take a screenshot? You'd be amazed how long it took me to realise I could create mockups just by editing the HTML of a page :P
    – Clonkex
    Commented Jun 21, 2017 at 22:52
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    @Clonkex people posting LMGTFY links are trolling by definition, why not troll them back?
    – user4639281
    Commented Jun 21, 2017 at 22:52
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    @GolezTrol I'm curious as to why you wouldn't advocate for changing the link to something like http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Why+can%27t+we+post+LMGTFY+links+in+comments%3F
    – user4639281
    Commented Jun 21, 2017 at 22:55
  • @TinyGiant Well if I had to answer that, it would be because it would seem pointless when it's not something the LMGTFY-poster could have been expected to google beforehand. That would be a genuinely bad idea IMO.
    – Clonkex
    Commented Jun 21, 2017 at 23:05
  • @Clonkex Yes, I changed the HTML and made a screenshot.
    – GolezTrol
    Commented Jun 22, 2017 at 7:19
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    I think this change will add a nice sense of irony to the error message, but this change should be in addition to making the text a link, and not a substitute. The link can be to a google search for those words instead of the related SO page, and I'd be fine with that, but there still should be a link.
    – Tot Zam
    Commented Jun 22, 2017 at 14:43
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    The difference is in the application that wishes to attract an expert to contribute their time, and the expert (protecting that time from another user who ALSO wants that expert's time) wishing to post a LMGTFY link. If StackOverflow wishes to tell the expert to get lost, as it often seems to... well surely they will. Personally, I definitely will not stop to Google why it wants me to get lost. The expert is the resource being courted. Why not provide him/her in-line assistance on how to use the system?
    – shannon
    Commented Jun 22, 2017 at 18:54
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    @jungle_mole LMGTFY is rude, condescending, and blatant trolling. Plain and simple. There are no two ways about it. Let alone the fact that if the information is not easily found on Stack Overflow, then posting an LMGTFY link is counter productive and flat out wrong.
    – user4639281
    Commented Jun 22, 2017 at 19:32
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    Try it now...
    – Shog9
    Commented Jun 22, 2017 at 20:11
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    Are you testing on meta, @dae? 'cause this ain't on meta.
    – Shog9
    Commented Jun 22, 2017 at 22:42

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