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I stumbled upon this answer: Custom gcc preprocessor. While the answer contains some relevant information, the answer tries to promote a specific product, and could be considered as spam. The moderator did not think so. Is it the phrase

DMS is kind a a big hammer for this task.

That saves the post?

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    The profile description of the poster suggests this was already mentioned to them.
    – Suraj Rao
    May 29, 2017 at 10:50
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    Ira Baxter is a notorious stealth-spammer, a very large proportion of his answers mention his company's products. Brought up many times at meta before. The moderators don't know what to do with him, his posts do tend to contain useful other info. Luckily his products are not very useful, so the better answer does get to the top. May 29, 2017 at 11:14
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    this is a seven year old answer. user877329, can it possibly concern you that much?
    – Fattie
    May 29, 2017 at 23:16
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    I find amusing that we want to delete an answer that answers the question, yet it's impossible to get an answer that doesn't answers the question deleted... scratch that, I don't find it amusing, it's depressing.
    – Braiam
    May 30, 2017 at 0:10
  • Related softwarerecs.meta.stackexchange.com/q/407/226
    – Braiam
    May 30, 2017 at 0:33
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    "answers hiding marketing" The answer says "Our DMS Software Reengineering Toolkit", I'm not sure Ira is hiding anything.
    – BoltClock
    May 30, 2017 at 8:15

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We have rules for this. Minimally, you must:

  1. Disclosure your affiliation with the product or service.
  2. Provide an answer that is relevant to the question and actually solves the problem.

Ira is doing both of those things here, so this answer is not spam. It is self-promotion, but it is not unsolicited self-promotion, which is what is required for something to be spam. pachanga asked the question (the solicitation) and Ira provided a relevant solution that he just so happens to have created.

The only guideline that you might possibly say is being violated here is the one that cautions, "Don't talk about your product / website / book / job too much." Granted, Ira does tend to post a lot of answers that promote his product(s). This is something that has been discussed previously, ad nauseam, and the moderators have been in contact with him about it. As suraj comments, his profile even indicates that he is aware of the problem.

But the answer you have selected here is not emblematic of any sort of a problem, and it is clearly not spam. If you disapprove of it or think it is not helpful, feel free to downvote it.

BTW, no, that phrase you quoted has nothing to do with it. If anything, the key phrase is "Our DMS Software Reengineering Toolkit is a such a system", where he discloses that it is his product and says that it solves the problem. The rest of the answer goes on to explain how. (And then, strangely, conclude that this is a relatively poor solution, but oh well.)

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    I wonder if it might be prudent to just get rid of people and their content that evoke such an amount of discussion around whether or not they're spamming the site.
    – Magisch
    May 29, 2017 at 11:19
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    Unless most of that discussion is ridiculous hand-wringing and navel-gazing. Do we really want to say that people who have designed products or services relevant to a question are not welcome to contribute answers?
    – Cody Gray Mod
    May 29, 2017 at 11:21
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    I'd actually say so. But I'm a fervent opponent of advertising on this site, and this site's policy is made by many people and not just one, so that's very open for debate. But yes, I'd actually blanket ban people from recommending their own commercial products (as long as they are commercial).
    – Magisch
    May 29, 2017 at 11:33
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    That seems like shooting ourselves in the foot, pointlessly robbing users of viable, potentially useful answers. And why would it matter that they are commercial? How is that different from the self-promotional aspect if I wrote a library that I give away for free as long as you credit me for its use? Don't get me wrong, I'm very much against spam, I just don't think this is it. Relevance is the key metric, and considering banning users like Ira is completely absurd when we have legions of users who are repeatedly contributing useless nonsense and no one seems to care.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    May 29, 2017 at 11:43
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    Maybe envy has somewhat to do with it. I mean it's no small feat to build up a company and put a product in the market. If it's a product that's aimed at programmers, and it solves real problems actual programmers face, then why not post it on Stack Overflow? But besides envy, the problem I generally have is that their answers read like advertorials and tutorials for their product. Though usually there's some info in the answer on how you would approach it without their product.
    – CodeCaster
    May 29, 2017 at 11:52
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    If you're going to recommend a product to solve a problem, the remainder of the answer basically must be a tutorial on how to use the product to solve the problem. Otherwise, it isn't a very good answer. This would be equally true whether it's a product you are affiliated with or not.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    May 29, 2017 at 12:00
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    What if there are no competing products? What if I recognized a niche because a lot of people ask about doing this thing on Stack Overflow and created a product that does that? That's just an arbitrary standard of legitimacy for answers. If it wasn't my product, I wouldn't have to present an alternative. One solution per answer is the normal rule. Frankly, while I understand the "advertising fatigue" sentiment in the abstract, ads are inevitable and aren't going anywhere, so if we can manage to make the ads targeted, relevant, and specific, then mission accomplished.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    May 29, 2017 at 13:26
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    @CodyGray In that case, you could pay SE to advertise your product for you, but don't pollute the answers section with ads.
    – Magisch
    May 29, 2017 at 14:05
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    @Magisch "But I'm a fervent opponent of advertising on this site" You were joking right? Or were you being bitterly sarcastic about SO? (Which is, nothing more than, an advertising company. Just like google.) I appreciate many folks who loathe, despise, advertising .... loathe and despise companies like google and SO. Fair enough. I loathe and despise fast food (say), but .. your comments are kind of confusing. Like what are you doing on the site ??? :O
    – Fattie
    May 29, 2017 at 23:15
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    this has made me realize how much I hate advertising! maybe SO should have the thing where you pay $10 to never see any ads
    – Fattie
    May 29, 2017 at 23:36
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    I wonder why nobody has flagged Jon Skeet answers for using Joda/Noda time...
    – Braiam
    May 30, 2017 at 0:37
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    @Tas: Do not edit answers merely to replace "he" with "they". Thanks.
    – kjhughes
    May 30, 2017 at 1:01
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    @Magisch This is ridiculous. If a paid product was created to solve my problem, I want to know so I can at least try to weigh the cost of buying it vs. the cost of trying to do something else. This will mean some users won't consider it, but how is that a reason to deprive others of information? Restricting useful information is not good for SO. The requirements SO has in place are already the useful compromise to balance the concerns you have with the fact it's useful info. What actual problem would your proposition solve, or is this just some moral crusade against profit?
    – jpmc26
    May 30, 2017 at 5:54
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    @Magisch: So let's all just stop disclosing our affiliation with any of our products and then none of our posts about them will be sales pitches and there will be no conflict of interest.
    – BoltClock
    May 30, 2017 at 8:19
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    @Magisch That's where you're wrong, as my previous comment pointed out. It can also be an answer, having sample code and more explanation about the solution than present in the product's documentation, which is not "only an advertisement." No one is suggesting that a raw, "Use my product," with a link is acceptable. The paid ad slots are for people who want to provide unsolicited advertisements.
    – jpmc26
    May 30, 2017 at 8:53

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