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When starting a bounty, users can select a reason from a list of predefined choices. In the next step, it is possible to add some custom text to detail this reason.

A popular reason for starting a bounty is
    Looking for an answer drawing from credible and/or official sources.

Examples: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Note that I found these manually, they are not exactly hard to stumble upon.

In most of these cases, OP is not actually looking for such an answer. This appears to mostly be the case when no custom reason is filled out. For example, 1 and 2 in the above list seem to merely seek attention, while 3 is actually looking for an answer drawing from credible and/or official sources. This is clear from the custom text detailing the reason for starting that bounty.

My hunch. (Some) users don't read all text in the pop-up for selecting a bounty reason. They immediately click the next button and move on. Can they? Yes. Why? Well... there is a default.

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The problem. Most users who start a bounty on a question do so, I believe,
1. on their own question; and
2. to draw attention to their question.
The default reason for starting a bounty does not reflect this.

Proposed solution. Change the default reason for starting a bounty to
    This question has not received enough attention.

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    100% agree. Excellent feature request and analysis. Would upvote again. May 29, 2017 at 11:31
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    Nah, just do not select reason at all. Start with no selected reason.
    – Braiam
    May 29, 2017 at 18:35
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    @Braiam you're asking for heatmaps of which one people will click fastest so they can dismiss the dialogue faster
    – cat
    May 29, 2017 at 18:59
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    Simply change the default to "I wish to diminish my reputation." It works both ways. (Hopefully the list takes into account whether there are any answers.)
    – HABO
    May 29, 2017 at 19:01
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    @TylerH "If it's the default one" - do you mean, "If it's the suggested default one"?
    – DocRoot
    May 29, 2017 at 21:05
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    @DocRoot 'suggested default' is redundant/not a thing; either there is a default option (the one that goes into effect if you don't manually pick a different one), or there isn't. Currently, the default choice is "authoritative reference needed".
    – TylerH
    May 30, 2017 at 13:38
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    Change it so there is no default selected (as suggested by @Braiam). But, also change the order the options are listed in to reflect the most commonly selected option on top and ordered by descending popularity. From a UX point of view, the options should be ordered in descending popularity (so people have to read fewer options). If the list was of very short options (e.g. countries), then alpha-sorting is also reasonable (perhaps with the most popular one/two/few at the top of the list, if the list is long). In this case, having a default imposes the designer's assumptions upon the user.
    – Makyen Mod
    May 30, 2017 at 17:46
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    @TylerH The OP is suggesting a new default as the proposed solution, it is this "suggested default" (or "proposed default") that I think you are referring to in your earlier comment, rather than the "current default" - which is how your comment is written? That was all.
    – DocRoot
    May 30, 2017 at 18:31
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    I would go one step further. Or actually take a step back. I would say "draw attention" is... a pretty flimsy and uninformative reason. If we could pick more than one reason for a single bounty, it would virtually never be wrong to choose "draw attention" as one of them, if we're simply taking the words at face value. I guess "draw attention" is really a euphemism for "no answers yet (or only unsalvageably crappy answers so far), please answer!". Do we really need a separate bounty reason for "please, so desperate for an answer that we don't care if it draws from credible sources or not!"?
    – John Y
    May 30, 2017 at 18:59
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    Seriously? How does this get to 158? Seriously? I mean... ... ... seriously?
    – user4639281
    May 30, 2017 at 22:32
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    You may want to amend your request to explicitly ask for the options to be reordered. The default should be at the top, of course, but based on the data below, reordering the others may make sense as well.
    – jpmc26
    May 30, 2017 at 22:46
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    The reason for my surprise is the attention this question is getting with respect to the triviality of the change.
    – user4639281
    May 31, 2017 at 14:12
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    @TinyGiant - See Parkinson's law of triviality or Sayre's law.
    – John Y
    May 31, 2017 at 14:56
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    But ... it's sorted alphabetically! And the default value of an array index is 0. It's so ... technically correct. May 31, 2017 at 18:53
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    @TinyGiant 1. As you say, the change is trivial to make. 2. The change is obvious and intuitive. Even a tiny bit of data backs up making the change (even if the proposed reasoning isn't 100% true). 3. It's quick and easy to agree with. There's not really any debate that it would be an improvement. I think these factors combine to lead to a lot of quick (and reasonable in this case) upvotes by people who just happen to see it.
    – jpmc26
    May 31, 2017 at 20:24

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Some hard data - on posts since the beginning of the year (1/1/2017).

5120 | Draw attention
1950 | Authoritative reference needed
 802 | Canonical answer required
 268 | Improve details
 161 | Reward existing answer
  59 | Current answers are outdated

The same is true if you look at data on posts since the beginning of 2015, in roughly the same proportions.

Looking at only self-offered bounties since the beginning of the year, it's the same story:

4776 | Draw attention
1821 | Authoritative reference needed
 745 | Canonical answer required
 254 | Improve details
 110 | Reward existing answer
  53 | Current answers are outdated
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    On the other hand, this shows that nearly 25% of bounties are looking for an authoritative reference. An authoritative reference is a particularly rare case and, being extremely generous, I'd imagine only applies to <5% of questions.
    – Rob Mod
    May 30, 2017 at 3:25
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    Does this data not scream that drawing attention should be the default option? We might "correct" the bounty reason for some questions, but we definitely save a lot of users a click. May 30, 2017 at 7:29
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    It looks like people just hit the next button too quickly without changing the reason, hence the large amount for 'Authoritative reference needed'.
    – Mixxiphoid
    May 30, 2017 at 7:37
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    So…it isn't true that most people just blindly click through the dialog without reading its contents, but it is still true that many people do. I suppose you see the glass as half-full, too. :-) May 30, 2017 at 8:27
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    Does this change with user time and or reputation in SO? I would expect people who just earned the privilege of setting bounties will be more in a hurry to have answers/attention and might dismiss the dialog. (I am not confident enough to tweak the query for that purpose.)
    – llrs
    May 30, 2017 at 8:50
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    Agree with @Justastudent. The default option should be the one chosen by most people. The data supports the request.
    – Roland
    May 30, 2017 at 8:51
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    This data shows that the current default is not causing a problem as OP seems to indicate. It does, however, show that there's room for optimization; setting the default to "Draw attention" would speed up the process for a majority of bounty creator.
    – TylerH
    May 30, 2017 at 13:40
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    @CodyGray I think that's enough reason to not have defaults.
    – Braiam
    May 30, 2017 at 14:36
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    @Braiam Like I said earlier, then the most or second-most clicked one will be that which dismisses the dialogue / moves on fastest
    – cat
    May 30, 2017 at 15:18
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    @TylerH I never said that authoritative reference needed is the most selected reason. I noticed that it was selected more often than I would expect. My actual question would be to change the default to what I would expect to be selected most often. This expectation is confirmed by the data in this answer. I would like to refrain from making any claims on the number of bounty reasons that does not match the intent of the bounty starter, but I definitely think that there is a substantial number of them. How do you conclude that "data shows that the current default is not causing a problem"? May 30, 2017 at 15:36
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    If my SQL is correct (please check it!), apparently of those 1950 Authoritative reference needed, 1518 of them (77.8%) were bounties posted on answers that currently had zero answers at the time. That really sounds like the poster wanted attention, not authority...? Certainly, they couldn't be dissatisfied with existing answers, since there were none. (cc @Justastudent)
    – apsillers
    May 30, 2017 at 17:38
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    @Justastudent I never said you said that... seems like an odd claim to invent. At any rate, the gist of your post is that the default option is problematic, because you've noticed some questions where that bounty reason seems erroneously applied, and then you seem to suggest that maybe many users are ending up with this option because it's the default and they're speedily clicking through. The data from Undo show a different story: The default choice is picked less than 25% of the time, which doesn't support your hunch.
    – TylerH
    May 30, 2017 at 18:57
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    @apsillers it's possible the bounty posters interpret that reason as "dissatisfied with the state of the current answers". If the state is null, that would certainly be dissatisfying!
    – TylerH
    May 30, 2017 at 19:02
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    @TylerH My apologies, I think I got the majority part from a comment of Undo and erroneously mixed it up in my reply to you. Still, I argue that my hunch, namely that the default is chosen more than one could reasonably expect, is neither confirmed nor debunked by the data. As Rob wrote, 25% seems like a lot. As Undo wrote, we don't know for sure. In any case, I think we all agree here :-) Again, apologies for putting words in your mouth. Cheers :-) May 30, 2017 at 19:26
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    To me, this does not answer the question. There's no guidance whether or not the default reason should be changed. This answer should have been a comment. Why should I vote on pure data without an action? May 31, 2017 at 18:55
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Some additional data, building on top of Undo's work:

  • Undo found that during 2017 so far, 1950 bounties were of the type "Authoritative reference needed"

  • Based on this forked query, 1518 of those 1950 bounties were offered on currently-unanswered questions.

This means that three-quarters of the time users asked for an "Authoritative reference" they didn't even have any answer at all yet, which suggests to me that the OP really wanted attention. It seems unusual that the OP would insist (strongly enough to expend reputation points) on authoritative references, when they had no answers at all yet.

Based on this evidence, I'd lean toward the conclusion that most of the time the "Authoritative reference needed" bounty reason is used, it is a mistake.

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  • Yet, that doesn't mean that one should be selected.
    – Braiam
    May 30, 2017 at 17:59
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    And neither do I suggest that anything be selected by default :) Honestly, I don't have enough UI experience to say whether an option should be default-selected (certainly, no default selection sounds pretty reasonable to me at first glance). However, I would recommend moving "more attention" to the top of the list, considering its overwhelming popularity.
    – apsillers
    May 30, 2017 at 18:03
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    Indeed, I am quite confident that most people interpret looking for an answer drawing from credible and/or official sources as merely a verbose way to say looking for a good answer; and whether there are already bad answers or no answers, wouldn't anyone looking for any answer be looking for a good answer? So "authoritative reference needed" is arguably tantamount to "draw attention". (By "more attention" we don't mean "(more) crappy answers", do we?) Honestly, I don't think it would hurt to simply remove "authoritative reference needed" entirely, or merge the two reasons.
    – John Y
    May 30, 2017 at 18:23
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    I think you may be making too large of an assumption. The bounty system is a guarantee of attention. Your question gets higher visibility for a week (on an increasing sliding scale as the week progresses). The reason for posting a bounty on a question is that you want an answer. What kind of answer or why you want an answer is independent of the desire for an answer; If I post a question and want an authoritative answer, & the question gets no answers, my bounty is to draw more attention (because bumping is disallowed). I still want an authoritative answer, even with no answers yet.
    – TylerH
    May 30, 2017 at 19:07
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Do we really want people to just "click through"? Catering to the lowest denominator? If that's what we want, we should just make the default: I want these reputation to be deducted invariably from my account. Or asking for the first son, or maybe money if we don't have Google problem...

In any case, the default should be sane default, in this case, there's no "sane default", therefore no default should be the default as it's the sanest default, other options wouldn't be accurate in all cases anyways.

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    Allowing the most commonly used option as default does not feel (to me) like "want[ing] people to just click through", but rather improving UX. These people already take the time to click the relevant option. That aside though, I could agree with the no default option. May 30, 2017 at 18:25
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    @FélixGagnon-Grenier allowing 75% of the users that don't read to continue not reading is perpetuating the no need of reading, which exacerbates the complains with current and past generations of not being able to think.
    – Braiam
    May 30, 2017 at 18:34
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    Making people click something won't make them actually read what they click. There's no reason to throw in a speed bump that will slow everyone down with zero benefit.
    – jpmc26
    May 30, 2017 at 22:44
  • @jpmc26 making people not click something just perpetuates and reinforces the conduct of not reading. I will go as many mental hops for anyone if that puts enough mental barriers to prevent people from doing stupid stuff.
    – Braiam
    May 31, 2017 at 0:18
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    Where is it suggested that we would be "making people not click something"? We wouldn't be disallowing anyone from doing anything. We would be automatically selecting the most commonly selected option, which would make the process slightly more efficient for as many people as possible. Forcing people to select an option won't do anything at all, except make the process slightly less efficient for those who select the most commonly selected option.
    – user4639281
    May 31, 2017 at 3:00
  • @Braiam: Let's say SO does what you ask by not selecting a default choice. Would you want the most common choice at the top, so people find it soonest? Would you want it at the bottom, so (most) people have to read all the options before they come the one they actually wanted?
    – Michael
    May 31, 2017 at 15:01
  • @Michael I don't care how they are ordered. Just that there's a barrier that makes people read.
    – Braiam
    May 31, 2017 at 15:11
  • @Braiam So you prefer bad UX so that the people that won't read it anyway still won't and those that do are hindered? May 31, 2017 at 15:13
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    @Braiam The barrier doesn't make anyone read. Those who don't want to read will click the most convenient option and press next. Do you want to add a reading comprehension test to it? That might make people read.
    – jpmc26
    May 31, 2017 at 15:16
  • @TheLethalCoder no, I want an UX that doesn't allow brain dead users to continue acting like brain dead users.
    – Braiam
    May 31, 2017 at 15:45
  • @jpmc26 well, at least I wouldn't require them to not read. There are many ways you can spun it, but having a default is requiring people to not read anything and click through. If by not requiring people to not read makes them read, I feel satisfied.
    – Braiam
    May 31, 2017 at 15:46
  • @Braiam When you work that one out please let every application developer/maintainer know so they can fix everything. May 31, 2017 at 15:48
  • @TheLethalCoder I don't need to, they already did. Way past the time, just that it's so simple that most devs/maintainers just ignore it. Add friction.
    – Braiam
    May 31, 2017 at 16:57
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    @Braiam "well, at least I wouldn't require them to not read." This statement is ridiculous and represents an intentional misreading of what others have written. Of course you're expected to read it; that's why it's there to read. But we can't force anyone to understand it without some kind of comprehension test, and even then, you'd have to craft it so that Googling the answers required skimming them enough to pick the right one. Forcing someone to click something only forces them to click something, not read what's around it. All it does is annoy, without making anyone read.
    – jpmc26
    May 31, 2017 at 17:08
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    How is preselecting a default action requiring anyone to not read? It does nothing of the sort. It allows people to continue not reading where they would otherwise have not read, and it allows people to continue reading where they would otherwise have read. This change will literally affect nothing with regards to reading or comprehension of the text presented, at all, whatsoever.
    – user4639281
    May 31, 2017 at 20:47

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