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This tag has been burninated. Please do not recreate it. If you need advice on which tag to use, see the answer below. If you see this tag reappearing, it may need to be blacklisted.


Watson's AI evolved to a point where is more of a hindrance than a help, so it wants to let it share the fate of and .

caused some discussion lately, so this is a follow-up to explicitly request blacklisting and burnination.

The tag itself is about the company; its excerpt currently states:

Use IBM's product name instead, unless you are asking about IBM itself. International Business Machines is an American multinational technology and consulting firm headquartered in New York. IBM manufactures and sells computer hardware and software, and it offers infrastructure, hosting and consulting services

The problem is, questions about the company are most likely off-topic.

It has 2,700 questions at the moment, but most of them are about specific IBM products, not about the company, e.g. 1 1 1 ...

So, what to do?

  1. Blacklist the tag .
  2. Close questions about the company as off-topic (not even sure if there are any, didn't find one).
  3. Retag questions about any IBM product, creating new tags as needed.

If possible we could do automated retagging to some extent, since many questions already contain a more specific tag, e.g. questions tagged could just be retagged to , or to 1.

1: That Watson mess is another topic.

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    I find this actually pretty funny. Specially for the fact that "[watson] wasn't created because people couldn't find [ibm-watson-cognitive], but because tags are separated by spaces, someone just typed ibm watson, voilá" (source). Commented Apr 19, 2017 at 23:08
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    @MarcoBonelli I don't believe [watson] was created that way. I think it's because all divisions of Watson are only prefixed with [watson-*], like [watson-conversation], [watson-dialog], [watson-iot], ... so it makes sense that people may think that the "parent tag" is [watson] and not [ibm-watson-cognitive]. But as Floern said, that's probably another mss. Commented Apr 20, 2017 at 10:53
  • @g00glen00b that's probably true, but who knows who did it first... lol Commented Apr 20, 2017 at 11:00
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    @MarcoBonelli Your source has no source. Commented Apr 20, 2017 at 17:02
  • @BrianMcCutchon that was only a link to where I copied the phrase from. Commented Apr 20, 2017 at 18:26
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    Rather than relating this to Watson, the main issue is the tag ibm serves no purpose even the tag excerpt suggests not using it unless your asking about the company IBM. When on Stack Overflow is anyone going to do that and be on-topic?
    – user692942
    Commented Apr 26, 2017 at 9:10
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    Stats at the start of featuring: Q: 115/-4 Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 7:32
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    Remember that this burn has got 1k+ posts, and therefore if it's decided to burninate, it will be a tag deletion and not post deletion. (Also, I get it that the CB is crowded, but we need to push forward with these. There's a lot of backlog, which we need to complete) Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 7:35
  • @g00glen00b that was a elegant assumption. Reality is that it was this question that created the tag stackoverflow.com/q/39619629/792066
    – Braiam
    Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 13:25
  • What about IBM as a stand-in for the various mainframe platforms? zOS, s360, etc. Maybe some tags should be mainframe, or something like that.
    – GC_
    Commented Jul 3, 2018 at 15:24
  • @GC_ it is relevant in a programming context where no other existing tag fulfill the same needs?
    – Braiam
    Commented Jul 3, 2018 at 20:48
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    I'm getting deja vu, hasn't this tag been up for burnination before? Because I clearly remember making the mandatory lame burninate pun: "Nobody got burninated for picking ibm".
    – Lundin
    Commented Jul 4, 2018 at 9:52
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    @GC_ That's a poor excuse. If they aren't able to tag effectively (in the sense that people able to answer will see the question), is because the system doesn't suggest the correct tags, and for suggesting the correct tags a descriptive unique name is necessary.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jul 5, 2018 at 15:52
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    @EJoshuaS, I've contacted the community managers. The ball is in their court now. Commented Jul 18, 2018 at 18:40

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has been burninated.

trogdor

Thanks to everyone who participated.

Observations/Retag Guidance

1: That Watson mess is another topic.

Well, it's tightly linked: the Watson mess is to be clarified if we want to avoid a retagging bump and later a renaming bump.

Let's review the steps needed, by priority:

  1. (optional step) A community manager should quickly acknowledge that current IBM and many users want [ibm-watson-cognitive] to be renamed back to [ibm-watson]. That step would save us from double-retagging in the long run.
  2. The community will decide whether to burninate or not.
  3. The community will edit the excerpt and add "DO NOT USE THIS TAG. Instead use...", followed by the recommendations from point 5.
  4. A community manager will hopefully blacklist to prevent people adding the tag and to force people to remove the tag when they edit a question containing it.
  5. The community users will retag posts to:

  6. In the rare occasion where a new product tag is needed, it shall be prefixed with ibm- and preferably make sense for at least 10 questions.

  7. In the rare occasion of a question on the company itself, community should likely vote to close it as off-topic.
  8. IMPORTANT If a question is asking for links to official documentation they are NOT considered Offsite Resource requests (Example, per Shog9 comment)

Progress:

The tag is in the process of being burninated. You can help out by reviewing the questions with this tag, and...

  • editing questions (to improve the question and remove the tag),
  • flagging/closing questions that are duplicates/off-topic/unclear/too broad/opinion-based,
  • filtering on this tag in the Close Vote Queue,
  • voting on questions with this tag,
  • voting to delete the questions with this tag (after they have been closed, and only if the entire Q&A contains nothing of value). However, keep in mind that at the end of the burnination process all closed questions containing this tag will be deleted automatically. Thus, there's rarely a need to vote to delete these questions.

Here are some quick links to get you started:

Track progress of the burnination!

Large Tag Guidance

Remember that has more than 3000 questions. Therefore do not go through all of them! Retag the ones which are worth saving (usually the top voted posts) and vote to close the unsalvageable questions (usually the very low scored).

Remember that burnination is a clean-up effort!

Salvage whatever possible by editing and re-tagging.

We don't want to destroy value, so salvaging a post should be your first priority. If a question can be saved, please edit it. Your edit should improve all problems with the question and remove the tag, possibly replacing it with another tag, as described above in "Observations/Retag Guidance".

Unsalvageable questions should just be flagged/closed. They don't need to be retagged.

If the question is not appropriate for this site, then don't worry about removing the tag—just flag/close the question it is attached to.

At the end of the burnination process, the tag will be removed from the tag from the system automatically, with minimal disruption.

Ask for help if you need it.

If you have any questions about specific questions you come across, or the process in general, please feel free to leave a comment on this post. You can also drop into the SOCVR chat room for real-time advice and discussion.

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    "A moderator will blacklist ibm" moderators doesn't have this power. Only devs and CM's.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 15:26
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    Step 0 should be "The community will decide whether to burninate or not". Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 18:48
  • @BhargavRao OK, but how? I noticed that it's not the first time that a burnination process is featured on Meta with 0 answers to the question. So if it's decided by votes on the question itself, it seems already decided.
    – Cœur
    Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 18:51
  • [Chemistry] had one answer which mentioned yes, but finally the consensus was no. You never know what'll happen at the end of burnination. Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 18:53
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    "current IBM and many users want [ibm-watson-cognitive] to be renamed back to [ibm-watson]" notice that both tags are synonyms, meaning that the system treats them as if they are the same.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 20:01
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    Why all the [ibm-*] prefixes. I though most people hate prefixes, as they deserve to be a seperate tag, as per: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/370095/…
    – Luuklag
    Commented Jul 3, 2018 at 6:46
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    @Luuklag "I though most people hate prefixes" [citation-needed]
    – Braiam
    Commented Jul 3, 2018 at 11:49
  • @Braiam, When I followed that thread it seamed to be the popular opinion.
    – Luuklag
    Commented Jul 3, 2018 at 11:52
  • @Luuklag the top voted answer is the complete opposite to that perception.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jul 3, 2018 at 11:53
  • @Braiam Zoe's answer in the tread makes a good reference then: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/370095/…
    – Luuklag
    Commented Jul 3, 2018 at 11:58
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    @Luuklag meta.stackexchange.com/q/226637/213575 ;) Prefixes are necessary. There isn't a inherent hate for them.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jul 3, 2018 at 12:00
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    ibm cleanup has begun. Let's all clean up the tag for 1 week, after which I'll poke Shog to remove the tag from the system. Commented Jul 4, 2018 at 22:17
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    I guess, we should be waiting for a few more days, rather than dropping the axe after 1 week.... It's progressing at a good rate. Commented Jul 12, 2018 at 6:31
  • @Machavity How is the link to the Doors discography on Wikipedia an example of on-topic asking for a link to official documentation? Is the Wikipedia page an example of official documentation somebody can ask for a link to? Am I a Blue Meanie if I don't get the joke? Commented Jul 16, 2018 at 23:33
  • @AndrewMyers Bah, was a typo. Too many pastes I suppose
    – Machavity Mod
    Commented Jul 16, 2018 at 23:37

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