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See the revision history of the post: it has been the target of spam editing every week since May 2016. There are quite a few approvals on that, hopefully by robo reviewers, but one person even approved two of these edits.

This answer should be locked to prevent such suggestions altogether.

As a side-statistic:

  • 63 edits were suggested on this post
  • 185 rejection votes have been cast (3 have been rejected with less than 3 votes due to a moderator vote)
  • 10 approval votes have been cast.

That's little over 5% of approval votes on this kind of spam edit. Seems rather high to me.

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    May I propose a lifetime review ban for each user who had approved one of these edits? They obviously don't want to review correctly, so we don't need them in the review queues. Or does the moderation handle approving spam like approving a useless formatting edit (with the usual ban times)?
    – Tom
    Apr 6, 2017 at 8:28
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    But that honeypot, though...
    – BoltClock
    Apr 6, 2017 at 8:28
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    Strange, considering how few views the question gets. Apr 6, 2017 at 8:29
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    @Andrew Grimm: This would not be the only post of its kind. There are a number of extremely obscure (and, for some reason, usually not high quality) posts that are constantly hammered by spam edits. Your guess is as good as mine as to why.
    – BoltClock
    Apr 6, 2017 at 8:30
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    @Tom: I'd love to hand out permanent review bans if I could. Unfortunately, the system does not allow that. We're supposed to give reviewers a chance, or something. Yeah, give them a chance to abuse the review queues and deliberately damage the quality of the site. That's reasonable.
    – BoltClock
    Apr 6, 2017 at 8:31
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    @BoltClock even if they approve that edit twice? You might at least send them a long-term ban if you can't permanently ban them, with a stern warning not to approve spam edits.(I'd rather not link to the user here, you can find it in the revision history)
    – Adriaan
    Apr 6, 2017 at 8:33
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    @BoltClock I also would give them a chance if the edit wasn't so obivously bad, but this here? Looks like the ban system is flawed :(.
    – Tom
    Apr 6, 2017 at 8:33
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    @PaulCrovella Make that a feature request and I'll upvote it. It shouldn't be for one approval though; everybody can mis-click. But let's say, Approving 3 spam edits in a month. As it affects all sites on the network, I suggest posting it on MSE rather than MSO. Apr 6, 2017 at 8:50
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    WTF at those "accepts" Apr 6, 2017 at 10:40
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    Even Zim-Zam O'Pootertoot knew that was a bogus edit.
    – user1228
    Apr 6, 2017 at 17:46
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    As to why: Keywords in the post URL? This post happens to contain the word "guestbook", for instance, and guestbooks are frequently targeted by spammers…
    – user149341
    Apr 6, 2017 at 18:15
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    "Zim-Zam O'Pootertoot likes to keep an air of mystery about them" -- or a mysterious odor.
    – Jim Balter
    Apr 7, 2017 at 4:12
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    Sand before pearls, Spolsky strikes again...
    – Ian Kemp
    Apr 7, 2017 at 13:36
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    @S.L.Barth Thanks for suggesting that there be some tolerance; I've fat-fingered reviews more than once.
    – Nic
    Apr 14, 2017 at 15:53
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    Nice list of robo-reviewers you can get by seeing who approved those edits. The good news is that only one of those 8 robo-reviewers has the Steward badge (or maybe it's bad news because the others might still be approving spam). Sep 16, 2017 at 11:47

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We have introduced a recent measure to help against suggested edit spam.

We were wondering why even spam via suggested edits, given they get rejected and it occurred to Jon Ericson that what spammers need is a place to point their clients to in order to show that the paid for spam is on a publicly available page, which, in this case is the review queue item for the suggested edit.

We've put it measures to stop that (not going into detail, for obvious reasons).

I know this isn't what you asked for (locking the post) and is not something that will have an immediate impact, but we hope to see a significant reduction in suggested edit spam over the next few weeks.

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    "I know this isn't what you asked for" If you say so...
    – BoltClock
    Apr 6, 2017 at 9:05
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    Why do it? Spam edits enough and see (a question about) your spam appear in the "Hot meta posts" section :-)
    – TripeHound
    Apr 6, 2017 at 11:40
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    You asked why spammers would repeatedly spam suggested edits they know will get rejected. A slightly tongue-in-cheek (though not impossible) reason is that after doing it enough, someone will ask a question on meta about it, which hits the "Hot Meta Posts" block on every SO page and probably gets their spam seen by more people than would ever have seen the spammed-version of the original post if the edit had been accepted.
    – TripeHound
    Apr 6, 2017 at 11:45
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    Well, I also provided a reason for them to do so (which I guess you missed), @TripeHound - and given how spammers do operate, your scenario is fairly... imaginative...
    – Oded
    Apr 6, 2017 at 12:06
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    Can you, and if so will you, purge the timeline of that answer as well as the review pages on these kind of suggested edit spams?
    – Adriaan
    Apr 6, 2017 at 13:18
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    @Adriaan - there's a history there. Purging it means we lose that history. These are pages that are rarely accessed and only by registered users of certain reputation - I don't see a good reason to remove them.
    – Oded
    Apr 6, 2017 at 13:25
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    Personally, I would use these examples as review audits. Is there a way that the system can "generate" audits the same way these spammers opperate?
    – Braiam
    Apr 6, 2017 at 16:51
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    @Braiam I wrote a feature request for a general tool for that a while back: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/272472/…
    – Flexo Mod
    Apr 6, 2017 at 17:31
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    @Braiam Why bother? Just put a few dozen of the ones on that post into the audit cycle.
    – Nic
    Apr 6, 2017 at 17:47
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    @QPaysTaxes we had asked to allow us to use custom audits, but I remember that it was rejected on the basis that we need the post to be "fresh".
    – Braiam
    Apr 6, 2017 at 19:27
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    @oded: Just wondering why the timeline page (or the review queue item page) is public in the first place :-? Is there a value for anonymous users there?
    – Abhitalks
    Apr 7, 2017 at 10:27
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    @Abhitalks - what's the value it not making it public? Anonymous may be someone who has an account, but isn't logged in, you know.
    – Oded
    Apr 7, 2017 at 10:32
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    "Anonymous may be someone who has an account" -- Hmmmm... Yes. Thanks @Oded.
    – Abhitalks
    Apr 7, 2017 at 10:34
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    Actually, regarding @Abhitalks's comment, why are suggested edits publicly visible? If you made them visible only to logged-in users (and to the user who suggested the edit, if anonymous), you'd presumably completely eliminate their usefulness as "proof-of-spam" pages. And I don't really see any practical need for those pages to be shown to anybody who didn't contribute the edit and cannot (even in principle) review it. Apr 7, 2017 at 11:14
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    @Feathercrown cookies
    – TylerH
    Apr 7, 2017 at 13:43

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