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Edit: it looks like these deletions were justified, and more intensely peer-reviewed than it seemed - see the comments.

In an unrelated Meta question two questions came to light that had recently been deleted by several users:

Those may be duplicates, but they are very decently worded. They certainly add value for future Googlers. The reason for keeping duplicate questions around is that the more different ways you have to describe the same problem, the better - as long as they point to a good original question.

Has this changed recently, is this some new policy I've missed?

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    @Servy the fact that they are very well worded, and hence increase the likelihood that someone will come across them one day and be pointed to the correct original question? I'm not familiar with the tag, so I can't really judge anything else.
    – Pekka
    Feb 8, 2017 at 19:35
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    Them being poorly worded would make them surely not useful, them being well worded doesn't mean they are useful. In the case of a duplicate like this, are these posts going to be attracting people searching for this question that wouldn't otherwise be able to find the answer, either because they're linked from other sources, use radically different terminology, have better google-foo, etc. I don't see anything here to indicate that these questions are going to get lots of traffic from people who couldn't find the canonicals.
    – Servy
    Feb 8, 2017 at 19:36
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    @Servy the reason for keeping duplicate questions around is that the more different ways you have to describe the same problem, the better. Surely those two pass that test.
    – Pekka
    Feb 8, 2017 at 19:37
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    I can see that these questions have been deleted by three users, none of which has a gold badge in Java... EDIT: actually, at least one of them does, but it seems that he didn't delete the question single-handedly anyway.
    – ForceBru
    Feb 8, 2017 at 19:38
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    @ForceBru Several of them have gold badges in the tag.
    – Servy
    Feb 8, 2017 at 19:40
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    I believe the idea with these questions is that there are already hundreds of duplicates, and the ones being deleted aren't any more easily googleable than the others.
    – user4639281
    Feb 8, 2017 at 19:41
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    @Pekka웃 How is it not peer reviewed? You're a peer, and you're reviewing it right now. It's also not just any 3 users, but users with considerable experience in the site that the site has determined can be trusted with such decisions. It's actually rather hard to get questions deleted manually because there are so many bad questions and so few people, comparatively, with the privilege to delete them.
    – Servy
    Feb 8, 2017 at 19:43
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    @Servy You're a peer, and you're reviewing it. oh come on now. My coming across those URLs was complete coincidence. (Unless there's a "recently deleted" queue I'm not aware of.)
    – Pekka
    Feb 8, 2017 at 19:44
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    @Pekka there is a recently deleted queue in the 10k tools
    – user4639281
    Feb 8, 2017 at 19:44
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    Also, we're fairly certain at this point (confirmation will come once our search bot is out of a meeting) that the posts were deleted after the deletion was requested in the SOCVR where the requests would have been reviewed by multiple users.
    – user4639281
    Feb 8, 2017 at 19:46
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    Okay, that none of these users was able to delete them single-handedly shows that there were enough people to close the question first and then three more people have come to finally delete it. So, some six or five different people thought it would be right to remove the questions, and this is not a so fast process, which means they were probably deleted for good reason.
    – ForceBru
    Feb 8, 2017 at 19:49
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    I'm upvoting this not because I believe that the duplicates were deleted incorrectly, but because this is a good question.
    – user4639281
    Feb 8, 2017 at 19:51
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    "I've seen it abused too often", really? That's one of the most underused moderation power on the entire site! Only ~1.5% of all deletions are via votes, and is way behind self deletion and roomba by factor of 6-15. And it was lower the previous year (0.39%).
    – Braiam
    Feb 8, 2017 at 22:29
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    @ChristianStrempfer Braiam did? "Question, 3rd-party vote, 1.47 %". It doesn't make sense to add up "Answer, Parent question deleted (3rd-party vote)", it is already contained in that -- it would be adding questions and answers which are unrelated. Even if you do and count things in double (or triple since you can have multiple answers being deleted because the question got deleted), you still have ~95% of the deleting not done by 3 users voting to delete...
    – Tunaki
    Feb 9, 2017 at 10:40
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    @ChristianStrempfer Pekka complains that that users "being allowed to delete stuff" abuse of such ability too often, I took it in the context of being question deletion, which is why I used just that number. Deletion of answers ain't counted because it requires higher privileges (20k) and it requires a very specific circumstance (score <= -1). This limits the ability greatly and there is a very legitimate reason to use that privilege (NAA) by 20kers (which the queue also shares some load). My number isn't misleading, it was selected for very specific reasons.
    – Braiam
    Feb 9, 2017 at 11:58

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We have an effort going on in the SOCVR chat room to clean up the site. Most of us there concentrate on close voting and others flagging. I've mostly concentrated on , voting to close off-topic and duplicate posts.

On top of that, some of us, who have the appropriate privilege, have taken it a step further. has degenerated into a lot of garbage (maybe like other tags). Everything has been asked before. Everything is a duplicate. Most of my close votes each day are for duplicates.

Every day, I also submit a list of previously closed posts to these users in SOCVR and we review whether they deserve deletion. In this case and many others, we thought they did.

The first post is a combination of reference equality (in general and with String) and the behavior of intern, both of which have been asked thousands of times (the former maybe being the most asked question on SO, can we get some stats on number of dupes of How do I compare strings in Java? ?)

The second post is a duplicate in the sorting category. The canonical shows you how to write a Comparator or Comparable and how to use it. Their question of how to do it comes with no evidence of effort. Adding a different post for each sorting technique seems counterproductive to me. Maybe I was wrong on that one, but it doesn't strike me as a useful post to keep on this site.

Vote as you think is appropriate. That's what I did.

I'll definitely hear you out for voting to undelete/reopen. We're always pingable in the chat room. I want to see quality in and I don't think those are.

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    Just a note for the second post and my rationale. "How to sort a list of object with regard to a property" has been asked and answered so many times (that's just the non-deleted and closed one), we really do not need another one.
    – Tunaki
    Feb 8, 2017 at 19:55
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    Regarding these things I can tell only one statement: there are TONS of really similar questions on Stackoverflow. But they aren't deleted, they just closed as duplicate. I still have a feeling that deleting THESE particular questions is some kind of very strange prejudiced reason towards person, who received positive score on answering them. My apologies if I'm wrong.
    – Andremoniy
    Feb 8, 2017 at 20:25
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    @Andremoniy No, it's more that there are a lot of posts that should be deleted, and aren't. Why do you think there is a prejudice against a person?
    – Tunaki
    Feb 8, 2017 at 20:27
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    Good work Sotirios, thanks for caring about quality on SO, carry on! Feb 8, 2017 at 20:40
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    @Andremoniy if you see that many of the questions that you're answering are being closed as duplicates, maybe you should spend more time evaluating if questions are duplicates before answering them.
    – JAL
    Feb 8, 2017 at 20:50
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    @JAL, as I wrote in other thread, I'm one of the activists who mercilessly downvoting and voting to close silly, duplicating or unclear question. I'm really trying to answer on only interesting questions or questions which have some kind of different angle of the problem than existent questions
    – Andremoniy
    Feb 8, 2017 at 20:52
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    @Andremoniy Keep it up! Feb 8, 2017 at 21:01
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    Just to add on, I usually will avoid deleting questions with content that are useful to future readers, and those that are excellent duplicate signposts. The two questions are quite specific to the users, especially the second which goes like this: "Now I would like this, what is the most efficient way to do it?". These are weak questions that largely serves the OP only, and are just part of heaps of similar questions that could be cleaned up. I highly appreciate Sotirios' initiative in hunting these down, and sometimes feel that his efforts are under-recognized.
    – Samuel Liew Mod
    Feb 8, 2017 at 23:04
  • "the former maybe being the most asked question on SO" No, the most asked question is fixing NullPointerExceptions. Comparing strings is still one of the most asked Qs though.
    – dorukayhan
    Feb 10, 2017 at 15:13
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I take umbrage with this question's closure and deletion, specifically because:

  • It's not asking the same question as was linked in the duplicate. The duplicate asks for differences of the intern() method between Java versions, whereas this is asking for clarification about the use of intern() in general.
  • The answer provided doesn't take or read similar to any of the solutions in the proposed duplicate.

Had a duplicate come along that answered the question of intern()'s general use, I wouldn't be so bothered. But, since that duplicate doesn't, I genuinely feel like a mistake was made in its review.

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    Interesting that the answerer voted to close it as a duplicate.
    – user4639281
    Feb 8, 2017 at 23:18
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    @TinyGiant: I find that interesting too, but I also find it to be an incorrect dupe closure.
    – Makoto
    Feb 8, 2017 at 23:19
  • Fair enough, I don't have enough domain knowledge to comment on whether or not that duplicate closure was correct or not.
    – user4639281
    Feb 8, 2017 at 23:19
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    I think it's an established fact that questions with the same answer are duplicates. In this question, OP asks why a and b concatenated at runtime and interned is the same object as the one returned by the literal ab. The answer in the post I linked as dupe, here, explains exactly why that happens, but uses te and st instead of a and b. Assylias' answer does the same but goes through some hoops to do so. Feb 8, 2017 at 23:35
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    @SotiriosDelimanolis Doesn't a question that has the same answer but is worded differently help others who are searching for the same thing but can't figure out the best wording for a question? Feb 9, 2017 at 19:15
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    @Juan It would. But both topics required to answer this question have been asked so many times before that the answer space is completely diluted. SO doesn't gain anything from keeping this post around. Feb 10, 2017 at 1:31
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Both of these questions were mentioned in a review list maintained by @SotiriosDelimanolis. This list is shared regularly in the SOCVR, and is reviewed regularly by room members there.

Both questions were reviewed and deleted by members of the SOCVR. If this review process were to fail for any reason (we trust our members but recognize that people make mistakes), there is a recently deleted posts review queue in the 10k+ tools where users can review all recent deletions.

The SOCVR is always open to anyone, including those who may disagree with—or have questions about—any action taken by any member of the room. When actions are called out on meta, it is expected that the members involved will account for their actions on meta.

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    The recently deleted posts review queue in the 10k+ tools means users can review all recent deletions. but does this happen in practice? Who's got the time to do that? Feb 9, 2017 at 7:52
  • @MartinSmith whoever cares?
    – Braiam
    Feb 9, 2017 at 11:58
  • @MartinSmith so it's my fault that you don't care?
    – user4639281
    Feb 9, 2017 at 15:17
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    Lol - No I don't care enough to spend my free time monitoring a delete queue to see if stuff is erroneously deleted. Maybe such people exist but relying on the existence of these people seems tenuous at best. Feb 9, 2017 at 16:15
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    @Martin so if you don't care then what's the problem? I'm not relying on anyone to do anything. If you have an issue with something that someone is doing, it is up to you to do something about it. I—as well as many others in the room—review as much of this stuff as we can both before and after it is deleted. We also engage in undeleting and reopening questions as requests come up.
    – user4639281
    Feb 9, 2017 at 17:14

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