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I often use the help menu to quickly get to the Help Center when looking for snippets to post on answers whilst reviewing them.

This is what it used to look like:

The word "help" with a down arrow located just left of the search bar.

This seems to have now disappeared from the New Top Nav:

There is no longer a link titled 'help' and none of the icon menus indicate they contain help information.

I appreciate the links are at the bottom of every page however I feel it would be more beneficial to have the help menu, especially for newcomers who are still familiarising themselves with the site.

Is there a reason it's been taken off?

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    For high-reps that was deemed no longer needed. chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/5747416#5747416 but I didn't find the source
    – rene
    Commented Feb 7, 2017 at 15:08
  • @rene thanks. What's deemed as "high-rep"
    – Bugs
    Commented Feb 7, 2017 at 15:14
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    @rene But I still have no idea what I'm doing!
    – deceze Mod
    Commented Feb 7, 2017 at 15:14
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    "High rep" (Not what I would call 500 rep...) or no, I used the help center link often to easily get there to refresh my memory or to quote/link pages for users here on Meta. Not loving this particular change...
    – Kendra
    Commented Feb 7, 2017 at 15:15
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    @deceze yeah, we know. That is why you have the diamond... so we can easy recognize those type of users ...
    – rene
    Commented Feb 7, 2017 at 15:18
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    I like my dunce cap, thankyouverymuch!
    – deceze Mod
    Commented Feb 7, 2017 at 15:23
  • we keep help icon for users who don't have access to /review yet. once you get access to /review we just replace help icon with review. "high-rep" vs "low-rep" was our internal naming convention for those two cases. nevertheless, for "high-rep" users Help Center is still accessible from footer. (this is actually area where most of websites put "help" link so it's quite common pattern. and yes, i know there are other sites too :))
    – Paweł Staff
    Commented Feb 7, 2017 at 15:27
  • also reported here by ShadowWizard.
    – rene
    Commented Feb 7, 2017 at 15:42
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    @Paweł If I'm writing a comment at the top of the page, and I need to link to the help center, I don't want to have to scroll down to hit the help center. I used the help center link at least five-seven times a week, and I'm not going to appreciate having to slip to the bottom of the page to access this. If I want to remind myself of something or help someone else learn something, I don't want to be forced to hit the footer and search those links for the help link. Everything else I can make myself get used to, but this breaks my flow for helping people, especially on Meta.
    – Kendra
    Commented Feb 7, 2017 at 15:43
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    I have to agree with @Kendra and since it's now sticky this would make even more sense. I don't particular want to lose my place on a page to hit the Help Centre.
    – Bugs
    Commented Feb 7, 2017 at 15:47
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    @Kendra We're looking at just adding a keyboard shortcut that opens help in a new tab, would that help ease your use case?
    – user50049
    Commented Feb 7, 2017 at 16:09
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    @Paweł there is moving cheese around, and taking away parts of the cheese. I didn't expect the new top bar to have less links. Still not the end of the world, but it's just another reason to dislike it. Commented Feb 7, 2017 at 16:11
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    @ShadowWizard I agree with your comment. For me it doesn't make sense to remove "help" from an accessible place such as the top bar.
    – Bugs
    Commented Feb 7, 2017 at 16:13
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    @Bugs your suggestion about putting it next to "chat" and "logout" links is something we have plan for.. we have dropdowns update on our plate and this is one of the ideas we have. so it's definitely on roadmap.
    – Paweł Staff
    Commented Feb 7, 2017 at 16:17
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    I think I'm in the majority of users who never uses the help menu--but I'm also one of the users that often tells some of our newer posters to please go to the help menu and get some information about how to ask a decent question. I don't think making those posters scroll all the way to the bottom and hunt for the help button helps my cause any.
    – ajb
    Commented Feb 15, 2017 at 4:38

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It's back.

(at least for me)

The help menu is now the question mark icon on the far right of the top navigation bar.

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  • Likewise. I noticed it a couple days ago.
    – jhpratt
    Commented Jan 19, 2018 at 4:19
  • Yeah I noticed a little while back and popped a question on Tim's answer but haven't got a response. It seems fitting to make this the accepted answer now though.
    – Bugs
    Commented Jan 19, 2018 at 8:31
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We have a couple of problems intersecting here. First, the people that can probably most benefit from clicking on the help link seldom or never click on it. That we need to make help more 'just in time' across the board is something we've known for quite a while, and it's something we'll do.

Removing it for experienced users is (according to a whole lot of testing that we completed) the best possible use of that very constrained space, for everyone that doesn't often go out of their way to help other users; we're sorry that we overlooked the need for you to have ready access to it.

We're going to add a keyboard shortcut that opens help in a new tab. That's something very convenient to have regardless of the presence of the link, so it's just smart to do. It'll be discoverable on the privileges page.

Will update this answer with details of the keys once the build goes out. And again, did not mean to overlook this case - we as community critters use it all the time too and I guess it was just so automatic that it never came to mind.

Update

G -> E will be the shortcut (H currently occupied by the homepage), which you can use after you enable keyboard shortcuts in your profile 'preferences' section.

As with other navigation keyboard shortcuts, you need to hold shift to open it in a new tab.

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    Out of curiosity, are you able to share how often some of the other links are utilized? How often are "Tags" and "Users" used by experienced users?
    – Andy Mod
    Commented Feb 7, 2017 at 16:39
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    Excited to get the shortcut- It'll be an improvement over the old process anyway. I'm glad we got such a quick response on this. (And it fixes my one major gripe with the new top bar.)
    – Kendra
    Commented Feb 7, 2017 at 16:40
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    So how does one find the list of keyboard shortcuts without going to the help page first? Is it buried in the profile settings somewhere?
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Feb 7, 2017 at 17:34
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    @JonEricson it says when you enable them. When enabled, press ? for help Which throws them up for you to use.
    – Bugs
    Commented Feb 7, 2017 at 17:36
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    I think rather than just downvoting this answer (not that it bothers me) it would be worth adding a comment as to why you feel it's worth downvoting and maybe suggestions etc.
    – Bugs
    Commented Feb 15, 2017 at 14:18
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    That's all a very bad idea. We're used to refer users that have missed to research there first, to go there. Commented Feb 15, 2017 at 18:27
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    I frequently "used to use" the dropdown menu for the Help section myself (before the new navbar). They want to make a new navbar, then they should keep the most useful stuff available. It's bad enough that they want me to "Hit the Home button" to go "back to top", that I'm to let go of the mouse and use a hotkey. 95% (surf) usage is the mouse. Are we back in DOS 5.0 days? Commented Feb 15, 2017 at 23:49
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    Why not just add a profile preference, so one can use the old bar if they want?
    – sdbbs
    Commented Feb 23, 2017 at 14:40
  • Having a different skin for us old-timers is confusing in its own right. I don't personally need the help menu much but I frequently post instructions pointing to it, and now it looks like it isn't there any longer.
    – tripleee
    Commented Mar 1, 2017 at 6:55
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    I was looking for Help just now but I had to search meta before finding it. A single link on the List of Stack Exchange sites menu would be helpful and not too intrusive.
    – Suragch
    Commented Mar 4, 2017 at 3:06
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    @Oded Any chance we could get the help link added to the site switcher as well? You could have it as a link right next to the chat link. I do not use keyboard shortcuts and having to keep going to the bottom of the page is getting really annoying. Commented Mar 8, 2017 at 16:50
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    @NathanOliver - we are looking at options, that's certainly one of them.
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented Mar 8, 2017 at 17:02
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    I don't see any problem in making it fit. I've made a picture in Paint showing how it could fit: i.sstatic.net/v4pkN.png Commented Mar 11, 2017 at 10:59
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    What the actual...? I really don't see why the site name on top has to be split into a non-linking logo and a separate Stack Exchange icon, and this vital link has to go. I mod on Graphic Design, and the links in the help menu are essential to guide both new and existing users to the right content. Hiding things behind a keyboard shortcut is horrible UX imho.
    – Bakabaka
    Commented Sep 20, 2017 at 8:23
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    Tim, I see the help menu is now back. Is this something that is being tested or here to stay?
    – Bugs
    Commented Jan 8, 2018 at 12:56

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