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Yet again I see a post that has 0 down vote favorite as the first line in the question. This happened because the OP just copied and pasted a question that they already had and they caught the vote section when they did. Can we either stop submission of these or at least raise an auto flag? I have tried and I cannot think of a valid question or answer that would be harmed if they could not start with N down vote favorite.

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    The same would apply to answers. The number of plagiarised posts I've deleted that included that text at the start..
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Jan 31, 2017 at 19:26
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    @MartijnPieters Updated the title to include answers. Don't want to forget about those Jan 31, 2017 at 19:28
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    If you'd block posting posts that start with that, users would just remove it to post their posts, which would make it harder to detect it as a copy. So auto-flag would be a better option.
    – Floern
    Jan 31, 2017 at 19:33
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    71 results ... are you sure you want to spend dev time on that?
    – rene
    Jan 31, 2017 at 19:35
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    @rene: more false positives than true matches.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Jan 31, 2017 at 19:38
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    @rene But that doesn't count the number of those that have be deleted. My gut says the majority have been. Jan 31, 2017 at 19:39
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    You don't dare to play the deleted posts card. You know I have no defense against that!
    – rene
    Jan 31, 2017 at 19:40
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    @NathanOliver - I see 430 matches for deleted posts containing "down vote favorite".
    – Brad Larson Mod
    Jan 31, 2017 at 19:42
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    @br Thanks for the info. I guess it is not as big of an issue as I thought. Jan 31, 2017 at 19:43
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    430 deleted posts with the exact string "down vote favorite", many of which are answers despite being copied from questions. Go figure.
    – BoltClock
    Feb 1, 2017 at 4:02
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    Wouldn't it make more sense to automatically detect and raise a flag for large portions of copy-pasted content? It isn't the "N down vote favorite" that's the problem, it's the fact that the rest of the post is a copy-paste. A >95% match should raise an auto-flag. Feb 1, 2017 at 4:39
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    @CodyGray I remember it has been proposed to prevent plagiarization on tag wikis, but it had been shot down due false positives and expensive (not sure if those claims are valid anymore)
    – Braiam
    Feb 1, 2017 at 14:55
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    Perhaps this may be a nice feature for one of the chatroom bots?
    – DavidG
    Feb 2, 2017 at 10:39
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    I can't bring myself to upvote, because you didn't start this with "0 down vote favorite".
    – philipxy
    Feb 2, 2017 at 11:25
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    8.1 million results on google "0 down vote favorite"
    – Andrew
    Feb 2, 2017 at 17:03

2 Answers 2

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We could blacklist strings (both in titles and bodies) that match the regex:

down vote favorite

That would prevent this sort of copy-and-paste error. But it would not prevent people from noticing the problem and removing (or modifying) the offending string. Since the string seems a really strong signal of plagiarism (and carelessness), it's counterproductive to block it unless the system is overwhelmed with these contributions. As rene demonstrated that's not the case. The handful of extant posts were gone before started looking at the question.

So, yes, this is an incredibly annoying behavior. But it's also relatively rare.


That said, Shog9 added the blacklist while I was answering. So that's fine too. ;-)

Block some copy-and-paste text.

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  • 'Body cannot contain ""'?
    – user4639281
    Feb 3, 2017 at 1:21
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    Not wild about telling people which bits of text to remove here, @Tiny. As rene notes, this ain't gonna hit very many posts, so any value would be in discouraging lazy posters - and this seems sufficiently discouraging.
    – Shog9
    Feb 3, 2017 at 1:23
  • Ahhhhhhh, I see
    – user4639281
    Feb 3, 2017 at 1:24
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    @TinyGiant: Shog's regex skills are superior to mine. The best I could do was quote the entire body which doesn't leave much room for a useful warning. (And might give away the game a bit sooner.) Feb 3, 2017 at 1:26
  • I suppose the "Body cannot contain" part is hard-coded, @Shog9? Otherwise, the message would be clearer if you just omitted it altogether. Feb 3, 2017 at 7:54
  • Yeah, that bit is mandatory for blacklisted terms in the body, @Cody.
    – Shog9
    Feb 3, 2017 at 17:20
  • How did this get through? ([Metasmoke report for those with <10k)(metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/56595))
    – NobodyNada
    Feb 8, 2017 at 21:23
  • @NobodyNada: The regex is anchored to the start of the post. (That answer started with a [ to make the link.) Feb 8, 2017 at 21:44
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I'm all for quality.

Given the low number of occurrences of such posts:

I don't think it is helping an awful lot.

I wouldn't spend developer time right now and here implementing this.

 

1. IKR that this doesn't include deleted post

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  • Your "first revision" SQL has SELECT TOP 10 at the top. Any link with 10 rows in the resultset?
    – Mat
    Jan 31, 2017 at 20:26
  • I left that intentionally there @Mat. You earned the waffles...
    – rene
    Jan 31, 2017 at 20:29
  • If there actually are only 10, then the deleted data is necessary - I've seen more than that just myself, and the one I saw pretty much all needed serious work (to say the least).
    – Mat
    Jan 31, 2017 at 20:32
  • Yeah, I'm trying to get past the 2 minute timeout on SEDE, hold on ...
    – rene
    Jan 31, 2017 at 20:33
  • @Mat it is 253 ...
    – rene
    Jan 31, 2017 at 21:00
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    Much less than I expected. But I guess that's science... thanks for the analysis.
    – Mat
    Jan 31, 2017 at 21:02
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    The visible ones are down to 1 closed question. Looks like the meta effect.
    – RamenChef
    Feb 2, 2017 at 16:42
  • Maybe there could be a bot to grab these, google for the duplicates, and post CVs to the SOCVR room? Feb 2, 2017 at 17:27
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    @JanDvorak I just learned Gutenberg over in SO Botics is doing right that?
    – rene
    Feb 2, 2017 at 17:34
  • Oh, nice. I guess I should hang out more in there. Feb 2, 2017 at 17:34
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    I have a 27" display in front of my eyes. I have problems in reading your last part. Are you sure you need that much <sub>? :D Feb 2, 2017 at 21:59
  • @Christian No, needs moar <sub>
    – user4639281
    Feb 3, 2017 at 1:22
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    The expression I blacklisted is a bit more fuzzy than the search, so would've hit a few hundred more attempts (including attempts at copying answers, which don't include "favorite"). False-positive rate still crushingly low, so what the hell might as well.
    – Shog9
    Feb 3, 2017 at 1:46
  • If you're unhappy with your 27" display, I'll be happy to take it off your hands, @Christian. :-) Feb 3, 2017 at 7:55

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