Yet again I see a post that has 0 down vote favorite as the first line in the question. This happened because the OP just copied and pasted a question that they already had and they caught the vote section when they did. Can we either stop submission of these or at least raise an auto flag? I have tried and I cannot think of a valid question or answer that would be harmed if they could not start with N down vote favorite.
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66The same would apply to answers. The number of plagiarised posts I've deleted that included that text at the start.. – Martijn Pieters♦ Jan 31 '17 at 19:26
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1@MartijnPieters Updated the title to include answers. Don't want to forget about those – NathanOliver Jan 31 '17 at 19:28
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46If you'd block posting posts that start with that, users would just remove it to post their posts, which would make it harder to detect it as a copy. So auto-flag would be a better option. – Floern Jan 31 '17 at 19:33
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671 results ... are you sure you want to spend dev time on that? – rene Jan 31 '17 at 19:35
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1@rene: more false positives than true matches. – Martijn Pieters♦ Jan 31 '17 at 19:38
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19@rene But that doesn't count the number of those that have be deleted. My gut says the majority have been. – NathanOliver Jan 31 '17 at 19:39
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12You don't dare to play the deleted posts card. You know I have no defense against that! – rene Jan 31 '17 at 19:40
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8@NathanOliver - I see 430 matches for deleted posts containing "down vote favorite". – Brad Larson♦ Jan 31 '17 at 19:42
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1@br Thanks for the info. I guess it is not as big of an issue as I thought. – NathanOliver Jan 31 '17 at 19:43
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11430 deleted posts with the exact string "down vote favorite", many of which are answers despite being copied from questions. Go figure. – BoltClock♦ Feb 1 '17 at 4:02
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9Wouldn't it make more sense to automatically detect and raise a flag for large portions of copy-pasted content? It isn't the "N down vote favorite" that's the problem, it's the fact that the rest of the post is a copy-paste. A >95% match should raise an auto-flag. – Cody Gray♦ Feb 1 '17 at 4:39
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1@CodyGray I remember it has been proposed to prevent plagiarization on tag wikis, but it had been shot down due false positives and expensive (not sure if those claims are valid anymore) – Braiam Feb 1 '17 at 14:55
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4Perhaps this may be a nice feature for one of the chatroom bots? – DavidG Feb 2 '17 at 10:39
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8I can't bring myself to upvote, because you didn't start this with "0 down vote favorite". – philipxy Feb 2 '17 at 11:25
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58.1 million results on google "0 down vote favorite" – Andrew Feb 2 '17 at 17:03
We could blacklist strings (both in titles and bodies) that match the regex:
down vote favorite
That would prevent this sort of copy-and-paste error. But it would not prevent people from noticing the problem and removing (or modifying) the offending string. Since the string seems a really strong signal of plagiarism (and carelessness), it's counterproductive to block it unless the system is overwhelmed with these contributions. As rene demonstrated that's not the case. The handful of extant posts were gone before started looking at the question.
So, yes, this is an incredibly annoying behavior. But it's also relatively rare.
That said, Shog9 added the blacklist while I was answering. So that's fine too. ;-)
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'Body cannot contain ""'? – user4639281 Feb 3 '17 at 1:21
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5Not wild about telling people which bits of text to remove here, @Tiny. As rene notes, this ain't gonna hit very many posts, so any value would be in discouraging lazy posters - and this seems sufficiently discouraging. – Shog9 Feb 3 '17 at 1:23
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Ahhhhhhh, I see – user4639281 Feb 3 '17 at 1:24
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1@TinyGiant: Shog's regex skills are superior to mine. The best I could do was quote the entire body which doesn't leave much room for a useful warning. (And might give away the game a bit sooner.) – Jon Ericson Feb 3 '17 at 1:26
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I suppose the "Body cannot contain" part is hard-coded, @Shog9? Otherwise, the message would be clearer if you just omitted it altogether. – Cody Gray♦ Feb 3 '17 at 7:54
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How did this get through? ([Metasmoke report for those with <10k)(metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/56595)) – NobodyNada Feb 8 '17 at 21:23
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@NobodyNada: The regex is anchored to the start of the post. (That answer started with a
[
to make the link.) – Jon Ericson Feb 8 '17 at 21:44
I'm all for quality.
Given the low number of occurrences of such posts:
- current visible (
81 ) - first revisions (253) 1
- deleted (430)
I don't think it is helping an awful lot.
I wouldn't spend developer time right now and here implementing this.
1. IKR that this doesn't include deleted post
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Your "first revision" SQL has
SELECT TOP 10
at the top. Any link with 10 rows in the resultset? – Mat Jan 31 '17 at 20:26 -
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If there actually are only 10, then the deleted data is necessary - I've seen more than that just myself, and the one I saw pretty much all needed serious work (to say the least). – Mat Jan 31 '17 at 20:32
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9Much less than I expected. But I guess that's science... thanks for the analysis. – Mat Jan 31 '17 at 21:02
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2The visible ones are down to 1 closed question. Looks like the meta effect. – RamenChef Feb 2 '17 at 16:42
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Maybe there could be a bot to grab these, google for the duplicates, and post CVs to the SOCVR room? – John Dvorak Feb 2 '17 at 17:27
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3@JanDvorak I just learned Gutenberg over in SO Botics is doing right that? – rene Feb 2 '17 at 17:34
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2I have a 27" display in front of my eyes. I have problems in reading your last part. Are you sure you need that much
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2The expression I blacklisted is a bit more fuzzy than the search, so would've hit a few hundred more attempts (including attempts at copying answers, which don't include "favorite"). False-positive rate still crushingly low, so what the hell might as well. – Shog9 Feb 3 '17 at 1:46
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If you're unhappy with your 27" display, I'll be happy to take it off your hands, @Christian. :-) – Cody Gray♦ Feb 3 '17 at 7:55