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I am extremely upset by President Trump’s executive order on immigration. It is immoral, unconstitutional, and fundamentally un-American.

The community on Stack Overflow is made up of users from all over the world. At least 100,000 posts on Stack Overflow were written by users from the seven countries from which President Trump has banned immigration. These posts have been viewed at least 250,000,000 times. That’s a lot of people sharing their knowledge across borders.

Stack Overflow is successful because of the contributions of everyone, regardless of nationality or religion. If Stack Overflow were not a free, open, and welcoming community that ignored borders, it would never work.

It’s impossible not to see the parallel: the only way to build a successful world today is to allow the contributions of everyone. Carving up the world into us vs. them, building walls, and demonizing religions, nations, and refugees is both morally repugnant and counterproductive, and it goes so much against the spirit of Stack Overflow that as a community we must speak out.


Update on how to move forward (Jan 31, added by hairboat):

If you're totally done with this topic and would like to stick to programming Q&A, that's fine. This post is no longer and you're welcome to go on with your day.

But for those of you who'd like to stay and talk…let's talk about it. We've already covered the merits of this question being on MSO at length, here and elsewhere, and we've debated whether or not this particular policy affects Stack Overflow the website.

What we haven't really touched on are the effects of this policy on the Stack Overflow community and how critical Stack Overflow's global nature is to its success. Our data team dug up stats on how answers often span borders and even time zones.

An open immigration policy is one way to strengthen a peaceful global community. Net neutrality is another way, which is also under fire around the world (and non-existent in many areas). This is the best, smartest, and most organized community of programmers on the Internet. What can we do to protect these and other freedoms? How can Stack Overflow the community and Stack Overflow the company best direct our collective influence?

That's the question we should be answering here.

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    Meta-discussion of this post exceeds the practical limits of comments; please find it in chat (includes archived comments), and on meta: 1, 2, 3
    – Shog9
    Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 21:39

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Life is short for all of us, and web sites pass too.

You can't always stay out of events just to protect yourself, just because you think it's the only way to go on doing your real duty after the storm. Because then it would be too late.

Many, many of my ancestors died fighting in the Résistance, in France. Some survived (that's why I'm here). When you must resist, when you have the power to resist, do it. You can't pretend it doesn't concern you or that it's not your duty.

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"How can Stack Overflow the community and Stack Overflow the company best direct our collective influence?" - by moving this conversation to an SE site where its presence will be less controversial, and linking to it in the site banner of all the SE sites.

Aside from that, while it is certainly tempting to focus on the people hurt by this indefensible (and it is indefensible) EO, you can't truly help without addressing the plight of the people who voted for DT. Seriously.

People were feeling so completely unheard that they apparently felt they had to vote for this extremely controversial and disreputable individual to get their point across. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure DT was a godsend for racists, nationalists, and ne'er-do-wells of all stripes. But there were a lot of people who must of voted for DT in spite of these things (not because of them). We did just elect an intellectual liberal African-American as President. Twice. It probably helped that he, like DT, was a Washington outsider.

A county-by-county map of the US Presidential election results shows islands of blue in a sea of red. Rural Americans may not be (statistically speaking) as educated, they may be (statistically speaking) more likely to harbor various prejudices. But writing them off on that basis (as the Democrats have done) or playing to their fears and pain with empty promises (as the Republicans have done) is a recipe for disaster, disasters like the current state of affairs.

I live in a city. Its doing pretty well. But I can hop in the car for 45 minutes in any direction and see places that haven't recovered from the Great Recession, almost 10 years later. Places with no hope. DT's slogan is "Make America Great Again". Can't say it really resonates with me, I think America is in many respects better than its ever been. But as I said, I live in the city. I can find places almost literally in my backyard where that isn't the case: places where the jobs left and never came back.

At the risk of straying into Godwin territory: people with no hope like people who promise them something to hope for. And people with no hope like scapegoats. Fix that, fix the hopelessness (start by understanding that if you live in a city, you probably don't get to see it), and the DTs of the world will suddenly find themselves lacking followers. But merely focusing on beating down the DTs will never fix this. You will be in an endless uphill battle against the seething rage of the "silent majority".

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  • Excellent answer (this is exactly what my situation is, I live in the country where DT is the only answer we have), only request/critique: can we find a slightly less derogatory term in place of 'jackass', perhaps 'radical'? Commented Jan 31, 2017 at 19:21
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    Much better, I don't mind that you're describing him as a bad person, I just don't think name calling like 'jackass' is the right way. FWIW I +1'd already. :) Commented Jan 31, 2017 at 19:23
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    Jared, I want to say, I've re-read this answer probably 7-8 times now, and it's making me get slightly teary-eyed. This is exactly what happened. I wish, I truly do, that I could show you all pictures of how my picturesque private lake neighborhood went from being 'the American dream' in the early 2000's to...well...now every third house or so has a for-sale sign, and the actual lake community is up for sale as well...this is why 'Make America Great Again' resonates with so many people...it really is. Commented Jan 31, 2017 at 19:47
  • @EBrown I hear you. I moved from a small town in Indiana to the Indy metro area during that time, and the contrast was not lost on me. Especially not when I go back to visit family and see the broken windows and weed-choked parking lots. Commented Jan 31, 2017 at 19:49
  • I moved to Detroit for a job in late 2014, and in early 2016 I moved back home to Northwest Ohio...there's a reason I support 'Make America Great Again.' Driving through these dead neighborhoods...seeing how the entire world out here has changed in just a short time, it really resonates. Commented Jan 31, 2017 at 19:51
  • @EBrown I can't support DT for plently of reasons that have been beat to death elsewhere, I just don't understand how other people who feel the same can be so blind to the problem underlying his popularity. Or maybe I do, if I never left the Indianapolis suburbs where I live maybe I wouldn't see it. Commented Jan 31, 2017 at 19:53
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    That's the exact problem. When people spend their whole lives in the same area (whether it be in the city the entire time, or in the country) they start to become oblivious to the other parts of the country. The people in rural areas forget that the city exists until we have to get surgery, the people in the cities forget the rural areas exist until they need milk...we're two separate-but-equal cultures. I can understand not supporting him, when he first announced I was in Detroit and I didn't support him then, but when I came back home...our situation directly affects our political opinion. Commented Jan 31, 2017 at 19:56
  • I almost envy you Americans, you can afford to elect a person like DT to President. Smaller nations are obliged to find the most intelligent and capable person for the task.
    – Teemu
    Commented Jan 31, 2017 at 20:05
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    @Teemu bah, people (even intelligent educated people) do irrational things all the time. America has no monopoly on the human condition. But yes, affluence smooths the otherwise bumpy road. Commented Jan 31, 2017 at 20:08
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    "you Americans, [...] can afford to elect a person like DT to President." The price is as yet unknown, but it's awfully unlikely to be affordable.
    – jscs
    Commented Feb 1, 2017 at 0:52
  • Are you deliberately using his initials without the 'J' in order to evoke delerium tremens?
    – jscs
    Commented Feb 3, 2017 at 0:19
  • @JoshCaswell No but now I can't unsee that while rereading my answer :) Commented Feb 3, 2017 at 11:27
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Since there is a blanket ban on comments in place, I'm posting this as a full response (and I think it stands on its own).

Joel, as head of the private company operating this site, I'm interested to know if you're willing to disclose whether or not you have contributed financially in support of your position on this issue.

The reason why I ask is this:

It's my understanding that the company providing the SO service is for-profit, and thus, as head of company, you derive profit from our crowdsourced labor. Everyone using the site has accepted that to varying degrees, but in this case, you are also now targeting us for political mobilization.

That makes me somewhat uncomfortable, since you've already profited from the exchange (wherein you provide the service, and we write and vote) once. Being asked to mobilize through this mechanism smacks of a kind of "double-dipping". Certainly almost no one expected at the outset that the reach afforded by the service for the purpose of sharing technical expertise would be used in this manner.

I think that if you have spent money earned from your own work as service operator on this issue, disclosing it would show that your money and heart are in the same place as your words (especially in a country where money has such a powerful effect on politics). More than anything, such a disclosure would demonstrate that your appeal is made in good faith, as opposed to being a mere act of political leverage using a crowdsourced knowledge base.

While this may seem like unwarranted cynicism, the business interest stateside technology companies have in increasing US immigration is well-documented, and major companies in that sector were already convicted of colluding to drive down wages. There are plenty of humanitarian reasons to lower borders (a position I personally support), but given your position, you have to understand the reason for scrutiny.

If you feel that that's none of our business, I understand--but as the case of Brendan Eich demonstrated, the personal political activity of heads of companies that rely on public support is not so easily divorced from public activity.


Update:

I am informed that the Koch brothers have also publicly protested the ban, and Matt Stoller has termed this maneuver #outragegrift.

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  • I don't think this would help much. Making such a post, which surely creates a lot of opposition too, can only be made in good faith. Everything else is probably very unlikely. Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 11:06
  • @Trilarion Surely the prospect of opposition has very little bearing on the motives of someone making political moves...? Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 18:31
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I'm a new Muslim. Finding my way though my new religion has been helped greatly by Islam.StackExchange.com. It's amazing getting answers that e.g. translate fatawa from Arabic! Thank you for making this possible.

When I search for something related to Islam, hate pages are ranked among the top. (E.g. muhammad and aisha.) It's no wonder there's so much prejudice around. For some topics in Islam, there's more hate pages than useful information.

As it grows, Islam.SE has the possibility of outperforming these hate sites in search engine rankings. This gives us an opportunity to present Islam in a non-maligned way (to the entire world). More and more people are learning about Islam, and they are finding Islam.SE in increasing numbers (see Quantcast).

StackExchange can make a meaningful difference in this way.

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    Thank you for your answer! Yes: we would all be pretty amazed, to say the least, if Trump-like bans were in effect on Stack Exchange. You answer also substantiates a view shared by many of Stack Overflow's members: that this particular site is not the proper place to discuss it, and the Meta Meta site would have been a far better choice.
    – Jongware
    Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 13:02
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Stack Exchange, the company, can do two things, I think.

  1. Financially support human rights groups (and publish this support)
  2. Create or join an alliance of businesses against this administration

By publishing the human rights groups Stack Exchange supports financially, others can join.

Scope "creep"

This administration will continue to attack civil liberties. It will try to impose religion (Christianity) in schools. It will definitely defund health-care. It will definitely defund scientific research. It will, in short, do everything stupid Trump has promised during the campaign.

Edit: Jeff Atwood just published a great list of things he will do

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  • There is no amount of money that is going to get this executive order overturned.
    – user4639281
    Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 8:46
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    @TinyGiant, not the point, Tiny. The lawyers already scored a victory. They need to be paid. etc.
    – GUI Junkie
    Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 8:47
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    What does it mean "to take a stand" if you don't put your money where your mouth is?
    – GUI Junkie
    Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 8:51
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    @GUIJunkie do you have an address where I can send money for your lawyer? Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 20:28
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    @PhilipKirkbride aclu.org Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 20:40
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    The first half of your post - great. I support SE doing these things if that's what they feel they should do. But the closing paragraph is the problem Joel's post causes... a)it's a very American-centric issue b)lots and lots of people support some of the views he stands for c)it's divisive to this community. In fact as pointed out we're a community outside religion, race, politics but Joel's post is in fact damaging that as we are attacking each other and using our answers here to preach our personal political views
    – Mr. Boy
    Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 17:19
  • It is "Stack Exchange", not "StackExchange" (the last section, "Proper Use of the Stack Exchange Name"). And "definitely", not "definetely". Please edit your question. Commented Feb 17, 2017 at 21:07
  • @HungryBeagle, added scope "creep" for clarification
    – GUI Junkie
    Commented Feb 18, 2017 at 15:57
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    @PeterMortensen Corrected. Is there something against using the Edit button I'm not aware of?
    – GUI Junkie
    Commented Feb 18, 2017 at 15:59
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All my life i've been working with people from different nationalities and cultures and i'm pretty sure that one of the ways to develop an enterprise, region, community, country, etc. definitely is the inclusion.

"The only way to build a successful world today is to allow the contributions of everyone."

I can say that I'm against the people who break the rules, but in this case we are talking about to stop the diversity, contribution and the communion between the people who live in this planet.

this day I can say that I'm so proud to be into this great community, and I hope not see some kind of wall here.

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United we stand!

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    I am sitting! maybe united.
    – Penguin9
    Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 14:00
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    are u implying, that you are a psychic medium?
    – Penguin9
    Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 15:44
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Joel - we'd love to see some big companies join our cause and resist the hateful policies and ones that separate instead of unify. What can we do to encourage more to join us in that effort and what do you see as some good next steps to stopping the hate?

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    Please: if someone has a guide or template or advice for communicating with industry leaders, leaders in your organization, or leaders in industries that you're invested in, please share.
    – FLGMwt
    Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 2:23
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    @FLGMwt: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13489281 shows how to contact congresspeople in the US. It was written by a high-level staffer for a Senator and describes how the inboxing system works - and how to surface to the top of it. I've never heard this advice anywhere else. [Edit: This is for politics, not industry, but may still be helpful.]
    – i336_
    Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 2:47
  • I am not downvoting ur answer but this isn't what SE is all about? All these conversations should be carried on separate forums or offline. Commented Feb 3, 2017 at 6:11
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I personally feel this isn't the place to voice your personal political views. By giving this statement you have chosen a side that will divide your userbase into people who agree with you, and people that will feel not welcome.

Furthermore, you would make a better comparison with building a wall when you would open up port 22 on Stack Overflow's web servers with root access, because you feel all people coming in have good intentions.

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    Your analogy is extremely bad. Comparing allowing immigration into the US with "open port 22 with root access" would be a great analogy if the US was letting each immigrant be literally God upon entering the country. The better analogy is the system that exists right now: Stack Overflow assumes good intentions and lets you sign up with virtually no hassle, no matter where you're from. You don't even have to verify your email.
    – user229044 Mod
    Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 22:40
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    @meagar Playing devil's advocate here: if there was a group philosophically opposed to Stack Overflow's mission, and willing to use violent means in support of their stated cause (in this context, even violent to the site -- hacking and defacing it); and would not openly attack the site, but rather camouflage their attacks behind innocent and beneficial network traffic; and their attacks could be localized to a specific range of IP addresses, the first initial response might very well be to block that range of addresses, even though the statistical majority of beneficial traffic from ...
    – Zev Spitz
    Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 23:35
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    @meager ... those addresses might be blocked. SO has the luxury of assuming good intentions because there are no such groups.
    – Zev Spitz
    Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 23:35
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    @ZevSpitz The original analogy is remains extremely bad, and your counter argument doesn't seem to be for or against it, it just provides an alternate better analogy, so... I stand by my original comment?
    – user229044 Mod
    Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 23:54
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    @meagar These immigrants are playing god. When you allow people to come from countries, especially in this particular time, that are in very large and intense internal conflicts (some of these people whom particularly hate the U.S.) freely enter the U.S. country, you make them god. If even 1 in 100,000 incoming immigrants plans to spread hate and create a violent situation here which has the possibility to kill people, then you have given them the role of god, even if only over a small portion of persons. They're playing god with people's lives, and that is 100% root access. Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 3:55
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    @ebrown no, better analogy is compromising one account. You can't really equate total root access with being partially god
    – user229044 Mod
    Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 4:31
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    @meagar You absolutely can. They have the possibility to create utter chaos, disorder and violence in this country as a whole. That is absolutely root-access. Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 4:32
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    @ebrown we'll agree to disagree
    – user229044 Mod
    Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 4:44
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    Even if you think there is a need for this sort of ban in theory, the practical execution (with zero warning, inadequate legal review, ambiguous wording, contradictory instructions, no meaningful consultation, no leadership) was so bad that it seems either malicious (for the sake of causing unnecessary harm or for the sake of causing useful chaos), or grotesquely incompetent, and everybody should be seriously concerned. This is not good governance in good faith. I hope most could agree that it is not right the way to achieve what anybody wants for the country, even Trump supporters. Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 9:10
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    @Ebrown Asserting that affecting a subset and affecting everything is the same thing is nonsensical. Pure pathos of what the scary people might do is not a basis to make decisions, it's the basis of ignorant views and misguided hatred.
    – bjb568
    Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 21:20
  • @JeremyBanks It could be that it was in good faith but the guy who issued it was so phenomenally inept that he bungled things hard. I'm going with that prediction based on his history.
    – Magisch
    Commented Jan 31, 2017 at 14:11
  • I dont know why this answer is downvoted. But port 22 with root access is the best real life example anybody can give to this. +1.
    – Sandeep
    Commented Feb 8, 2017 at 16:59
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  • Where was the outrage when Barack Obama banned all Iraqi refugees for six months in 2011?

  • Where was the outrage when Barack Obama banned many immigrants from Muslim countries, 6 times?

  • Where was the outrage when Barack Obama was giving permission to drop tens of thousands bombs on Muslim countries?

  • Where was the outrage when Barack Obama supported attack on Libya?

  • Where was the outrage when the Obama administration was arming Jihadists in Syria which led to this refugee crisis?

  • Where was the outrage when Barack Obama administration was giving money to Saudi Arabia to slaughter Yemenis?

By-the-way. Did you know that it's not Muslim countries ban? It's a ban for highest terror-link countries. This list was made by... the Obama administration!


You want us developers to unite, but now you divide people. I'm not the only one who is upset that you are making a Stack Exchange political fiesta. If you are going to continue, many valuable developers probably won't post answers on Stack Overflow.

Keep in mind that Stack Overflow is nothing without community.

You are not representing all users beliefs, so please KEEP STACK OVERFLOW NEUTRAL.

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    Could you cite some sources, just for interest's sake? :)
    – Cullub
    Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 15:43
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    Obama's ban was very different than Trump's on account of not banning people who are already legal residents of the United States. As for "Obama administration was arming Jihadists in Syria etc.", well, that is a gross oversimplification of events and merely a partisan talking point: "let's blame Obama for everything!" Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 15:47
  • "which led you refugee crisis" . huh?
    – petey
    Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 15:56
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    Where was your outrage when George W. Bush started two pointless wars based on known false pretenses?
    – Magisch
    Commented Jan 31, 2017 at 8:34
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    What's the point of this list? There are so many mistakes in the history of the "leader of the free world", that those few you've listed are only a drop in the ocean.
    – Teemu
    Commented Jan 31, 2017 at 19:22
  • Firstly to your first statement, Snopes do a better discussion on this than I could, so here's the link (TL;DR it's mostly a false statement). Secondly, why should it matter if people didn't protest something before? You seem to be suggesting that because nobody protested the other things (they actually did, but maybe not in such great numbers) that they have lost their right to protest anything new.
    – DavidG
    Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 4:58
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What can we do to protect these and other freedoms? How can Stack Overflow the community and Stack Overflow the company best direct our collective influence?

Please consider endorsing or taking part to a General Strike.

From The Guardian:

it’s hard to think of a nonviolent movement that has succeeded without causing its opponents a certain amount of trouble, discomfort and inconvenience

Of course you'd face a loss too. You need to choose whether you are willing to pay that price

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For those arguing to do nothing as a community, read this:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak for me.

source: Wikipedia


Some other things people can do:

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    Something similar was left as a comment on my answer. I don't see many people advocating for doing or saying nothing. However, I do see people saying that this isn't the right venue. Stack Overflow has a blog and a Twitter account. Joel has a personal blog and Twitter account. There are better places for Joel to present the company stance or his personal stance than Meta.SO, and I see people saying that those venues should hold this content. I'm glad that Joel and/or SO has a stance and I agree with it. I just...don't want to see it on my Meta sites. Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 18:19
  • @ThomasOwens I'm glad to hear that agree with the stance of Joel/SO. On the issue of where to express that topic, we apparently have a different opinion. IMHO these measures are so wrong that they need to be opposed as much as possible
    – Jaap
    Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 18:33
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    Having it everywhere is mentally exhausing. Sometimes, I need to focus on other things. When I'm developing software, I want to focus on developing software and not politics. Too much exposure desensitizes people and wears them out. Putting things everywhere is not a good solution. Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 18:36
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    Speaking of "First they came from...": twitter.com/collinrees/status/825556186699284482
    – VonC
    Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 19:27
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Politics is important, but the real political battles are fought at the election night and on the streets, not in some random internet forum. It's very important to keep the distinction between politics and knowledge libraries such as Stack Exchange sites as clear as possible, in order to avoid future interfering (could go both ways).

However, we should have some fundamental values like that everyone can contribute to Stack Overflow. Now might be the time to insist a bit more on these values, for example by having a clear, big "Stack Overflow welcomes everyone, in particular Muslims." message on the frontpage. Just to make that absolutely clear (although it should be self-evident, but in these times you never know).

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    I'm sure that you mean well, but "Stack Overflow welcome everyone, even Muslims" would not send the right message. It's like Donald Trump saying "Mexicans are great—I've got hundreds of them who work for me" (paraphrased, but you get the idea). The word "even" makes it sounds like they are not part of everyone.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 13:38
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    @CodyGray Sorry, I meant "even" as synonym for "in particular" or "especially also". English is not my mother language, so I may have made a mistake. I will edit it. Also I changed my mind about the duration. This message should actually not stand there only for a week but for a much longer time, at least some years, maybe forever. Apart from that, how can anyone not be part of everyone? Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 13:43
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    What about "Stack Overflow welcomes everyone, no matter what certain presidents think, say and do". As long as you have to make a reference to a specific subset of people, the message is going to be wrong. As written now ("in particular Muslims"), its like they would get special treatment.
    – Gimby
    Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 15:53
  • @Gimby But references to certain presidents sound not better either. What about "StackOverflow brings together everyone, regardless of origin or cultural background. Everyone is welcome and diversity is an essential part of the StackOverflow community.". Something along these lines should describe what we all experienced here for the past and hopefully the future too. (If that is indeed, what we want to have.) Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 15:57
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    Everyone already includes, well uh... everyone. The message you need to pass is just: "Stack Overflow welcomes everyone".
    – leoap
    Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 17:07
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    @leo_ap That's true. See my comment before your comment. A bit more details but "Stack Overflow welcomes everybody" is the gist of what I mean. Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 18:39
  • Will that be ethically right if I influence millions of people around that world to support my political views againat my country government? Btw, I am an Indian. Commented Feb 3, 2017 at 6:07
  • @AnujTripathi Your statement if a bit too broad. If it wouldn't be ethically right to influence millions of people then for example nobody should know of Mahatma Gandhi or Karl Marx or Donald Trump, .... You should get more specific. Commented Feb 3, 2017 at 9:31
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I am extremely upset by President Trump’s executive order on immigration. It is immoral, unconstitutional, and fundamentally un-American.

I think you must talk to majority of Americans who voted for him. You can describe him as you want, giving much more adjectives, but still there was a reason why he started running for a president. I am not here to defend him, but as far American economy is concerned he might fix some things.

Carving up the world into us vs. them, building walls, and demonizing religions, nations, and refugees is both morally repugnant and counterproductive,...

Try to be more objective, not subjective. I wonder if you ever watched his rallies, read posts on twitter.

I feel this questions is completely unrelevant to Stackoverflow or this is a implicit plea to make another subsite Hateoverflow where there we could blame everybody and nobody for bad things, even if this is completely wrong or one side of the story.

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    The majority of Americans did not vote for him. Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 17:03
  • @Don'tPanic Sure fairies and ghosts could also be involved, but would you elaborate on it? Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 17:10
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    There's not much to elaborate. You said something false in your answer, so I commented with the truth. As far as fairies and ghosts are concerned, I have no idea what you're talking about. Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 17:14
  • @Don'tPanic so you can't elaborate and yet you say that I lied? You are a funny bloke Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 18:11
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    I didn't say that you lied. I said that you said something false. That doesn't necessarily mean that you lied. It's also possible that you're saying what you think is true and you're just mistaken or misinformed. I also didn't say that I can't elaborate, just that there's not much to elaborate, which is true. Of all the people that voted in the 2016 US presidential election, 46% voted for Trump, and 54% voted for other people. 46% is not a majority. How much more elaboration is necessary? And how is that funny? Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 18:28
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    @Jozekban Also, 46% of the voting public is not a majority of people. Even 60% of the voting public would not be a majority of people.
    – Magisch
    Commented Jan 31, 2017 at 8:32
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    Since I can't believe that no one has mentioned it yet, Hillary Clinton did win the popular vote. By a fair margin. Whether or not that invalidates your point is a different story. Commented Jan 31, 2017 at 19:39
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As a form of protest why not black out the government IP ranges and that of government contractors?

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    Now this is something well within the reach of Stack Exchange, Inc.
    – Jongware
    Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 3:34
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    "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - M Gandhi
    – Narayan
    Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 3:47
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    This is a bad idea. Do you really think that the government will not respond to this? And apart from that many government employees that come here are just normal people with a hard job to do. They are not political in nature or even necessarily agree with the government's position at all. Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 3:50
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    @CyberGeek.exe: and yet, it'd be quite a strong signal to the government at large. If this discussion represents the view of SE as a whole, then it's a perfect opportunity for Joel to put his money where his mouth is. (I'm not saying he should do this, by the way.)
    – Jongware
    Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 3:53
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    This is just another way to divide people. I appreciate the sentiment here, but we want to try to bring humans together, and that means the people that work in the government too.
    – DavidG
    Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 3:57
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    I love how social oppression has become a feel-good accepted strategy in the past 10 years. "You can't say that word!" "Why?" "Doesn't matter, I'm not interested in improving the world by teaching you anything, I'm only interested in telling you to shut up and making YouTube videos of myself crying when you don't." Blocking government IPs is so much easier than doing something effective, isn't it?
    – Jason C
    Commented Jan 29, 2017 at 6:11
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    Sure, lets punish government workers, some of the people hit hardest by trump's hiring freeze and massive budget cuts. They couldn't possibly be suffering under him too, hmm?
    – Magisch
    Commented Jan 30, 2017 at 13:42
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    Speaking as a government employee who almost every day uses SO to help try to make the lives of the public better, I would call that "ill-advised". Commented Jan 31, 2017 at 19:40
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