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tl;dr

There was a question in triage with very high disagreement among the reviewers.

Related meta questions

The most relevant I could find was Close and Triage queues need a downvote option. No, really. However, I'm not here to request that feature but to ask how to deal with the current situation.

The question

The question was very basic and OP quickly acknowledged

so stupid i haven't thought about that

once the obvious had been pointed out to them. It gathered (deservedly, imho) a total of ten downvotes before deletion and had been closed as too broad (unfittingly, imho).

screenshot of now deleted question

So, let's check the criteria:

Can the question be understood and answered as-is?

Yes, definitely. It's very clear and easily understood.

Should it be improved by edits?

Nope, not much an edit could improve. It's fundamentally flawed but well executed.2

2 OK, the English and the semantic markup are imperfect but an edit would not make it “clear and answerable”, it already is.

Is it unsalvageable?

Well, kinda. But none of the flag reasons apply.

  • Spam or rude? Definitely not.
  • Duplicate? Unlikely, too specific.
  • Unclear what is asked? Nope, perfectly clear.
  • Too broad? There is pretty much one possible answer and it's very short. Does definitely not apply, unless I'm overlooking something big here.
  • Off-topic? Does not ask for off-site resources, is definitely about programming and there is no code to debug.

What I did

As outlined above, reading only the words “Looks OK”, “Requires Editing” and “Unsalvageable” my gut would be to go with the last one, but when not ignoring the descriptions of the options (and the requirement to flag any unsalvageable question) only the first seems reasonable in any way.

Thus I chose “Looks OK” (and downvoted).

The result of the triage review

While the “consensus” was indeed “Looks OK”, a breakdown of 3/2/2 does not feel really encouraging. Apart from the fact that I would not call that a consensus, it raises doubts whether I did the right thing.

Did I? If not, what should I have done?

The subsequent closure

As mentioned above, I feel that the “too broad” reason does decidedly not apply. The flavour text states:

There are either too many possible answers, or good answers would be too long for this format. Please add details to narrow the answer set or to isolate an issue that can be answered in a few paragraphs.

  • “Do percent = 100-percent.” is pretty much the only possible answer.
  • This answer is definitely not too long for this format, it even fits in a comment. (As has been demonstrated.)
  • There are no sensible details to add. It's perfectly specific.
  • There is only a single issue. Nothing to isolate here.

Am I mistaken? If so, please enlighten me as to how this reason applies.

Clarifications

I stated this in the comments, but it became crowded down there:

  • I am aware of the skip button. The problem is not that I was unsure during review but when looking at the review again afterwards (which I quasi-randomly-routinely do).
  • I don't have strong feelings about the deletion either way.
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    A question can be on topic but not useful so in a sense a highly down voted open questions is one of the results we should see. Jan 4, 2017 at 16:10
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    @NathanOliver Yes, this was pretty much what I expected when reviewing but not really how it turned out. Thus, this question. Jan 4, 2017 at 16:13
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    @Glorfindel The typo close vote also covers *resolved in a way not helpful to future readers. Jan 4, 2017 at 16:16
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    That's true, but it's hard to classify this as a typo (even a 'mental typo'). We used to have a 'lacks minimal understanding' close reason (before my time) which would fit here perfectly.
    – Glorfindel
    Jan 4, 2017 at 16:18
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    @HermannDöppes Yeah the closure was unfortunate. I understand why they did it and I do not think it hurts the site to do so. It really boils down to do we want to keep not useful questions? Jan 4, 2017 at 16:18
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    @Glorfindel Do you refer to the “What's a mouse?” answer? Because I don't think it really applies and all the other answers seemed to be unfitting as well. Jan 4, 2017 at 16:23
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    @NathanOliver So, it comes down to “I did the right thing.“ and “It was closed with that reason because people wanted to close it and a proper reason was unavailable.” (I didn't complain about the deletion, btw. It is not useful to anyone and just clutters the site. No reason to keep it.) Jan 4, 2017 at 16:27
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    @HermannDöppes Basically. In order to delete a question it needs to be closed so even though the reason was not 100% correct it was a means to a end. Jan 4, 2017 at 16:28
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    @HermannDöppes there's no harm in using Skip, although that would move your problem to later reviewers. The Stack Overflow system isn't built to handle outliers like this.
    – Glorfindel
    Jan 4, 2017 at 16:43
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    @CodyGray Then the description of “Requires Editing” is deceptive. The question is clear and answerable. And the description of “Looks OK” is deceptive, too. The question can be found (if you search for this weirdly specific thing), understood ans answered as-is. Jan 4, 2017 at 16:49
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    Yeah, the descriptions are deceptive. We've brought that up before. No one wants to fix it. Use the description on the buttons themselves. Does it require editing? But honestly, in this case, I even disagree that the question was sufficiently clear in its original form. I certainly don't know what it was trying to ask. I could guess, but that's all it would have been. Someone else might have had a different interpretation, and I couldn't legitimately tell them they were wrong. That's a clear case of "Requires Editing" to me. Jan 4, 2017 at 16:54
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    Yes. They aren't convinced it will make any difference. No one reads that text anyway. This is literally what I was told when I brought it up in one particular case. It has since been partially modified, by adding a link (which virtually ensures no one will read it all), while apparently leaving the rest of the confusing guidance intact. Jan 4, 2017 at 17:20
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    @CodyGray I have read that text quite often, actually. (Whenever I'm unsure, often followed by skipping) But I overlooked the link, apparently. Before reviewing triage again I'll take the time to read it. Does it reflect the current community consensus? Jan 4, 2017 at 17:29
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    Is an answer to a not useful question useful? If it is, then the question should remain. If it isn't, it should be downvoted. you'll get your precious rep back later.
    – Kevin B
    Jan 4, 2017 at 19:16
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    every time I ask myself in review "what should I have done?" I find the answer here: There is no shame in using “Skip”
    – gnat
    Jan 4, 2017 at 21:25

1 Answer 1

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Did I [do the right thing]?

Yes. "Looks OK" was the correct action.

Am I mistaken?

I agree that the question should not have been closed. However, closing the question for any reason is a necessary step to enable delete votes for non-mods.

Copying from here:

For example, in Triage, clarify a few things:

  • It is completely okay to both downvote and review "Looks OK" on the same question.
  • "Requires Editing" should only be used if a decent edit could be made by 2K users, not the OP.

Finally, if you observed it being deleted, and you strongly believe that it shouldn't have been, custom flags are your friends for getting it undeleted and reopened! Yeah, that question sucks. The previous advice still applies, just not for this question ;)

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    Re: "necessary step": If you need to bend a close reason to fit the question in order to justify closure, the closure isn't really justified. Yes closure is a prerequisite for deletion, but that doesn't mean users should abuse the closure system to reach that end. If a question does not warrant closure, it does not warrant closure. End of story.
    – user4639281
    Jan 5, 2017 at 0:04
  • So I have a similar question, and I think the answer is the same, but I thought it would be a good idea to ask a dumb question about dumb questions. "questions that can be found?" -yes, "understood?" -yes, "answered as-is" -yes... Looks OK so far... But if the question seems to be coming from someone too stupid or lazy to do a simple google search, does it still Look OK? Whether or not it is a good, hard or interesting question does not seem to be a criteria. Here's a specific example: stackoverflow.com/questions/45514153/…
    – Mike
    Aug 5, 2017 at 5:45

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