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I recently flagged this answer as very low quality and it got declined with this explanation:

declined - flags should not be used to indicate technical inaccuracies, or an altogether wrong answer

I understand that I should not flag wrong answers because they're wrong, but I flagged this answer because it was very low quality (bad formatting, spelling mistakes, informal, not enough details), not because it was technically wrong (when I flagged it, I didn't even notice that it was technically wrong).

Although my flag was declined, I still think that this answer is very low quality and shouldn't stay there just like that. I could flag it again with a custom flag explaining the situation, but I'm not sure that's the right thing to do.

Why was my flag declined? Is there something I can or should do about it?

Edit:

The answer was edited so it isn't as low quality any more. The original answer was:

i think u better to use float:left it will take care about resiz

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    The self "answer" on that page "I decided to change the style because I couldn't order them like that, and now everything is fine. Thanks everyone!" looks more problematic IMO. Jan 3, 2017 at 21:47
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    "The answer was edited so it isn't as low quality any more." If the post can be edited to not be "flag worthy" to you, then it's not VLQ. From the flag description: "This answer is unlikely to be salvageable through editing..." If the post can be edited to be properly formatted and have proper grammar, then don't flag VLQ.
    – Kendra
    Jan 3, 2017 at 22:04
  • @MartinSmith That's true, if you're talking about this answer, I flagged it as not an answer. It wasn't there when I flagged the other answer. Jan 3, 2017 at 22:06
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    @Kendra I had a hard time understanding it since the grammar and the formatting were so bad, otherwise I would have edited it. Apparently someone else managed to understand it and edited it to be understandable. I was just surprised that an answer like that isn't "very low quality". Jan 3, 2017 at 22:13
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    @Kendra you can also edit "asdfasdfasdf" into "it's better to use float in this situation [and so forth]." I really don't blame the OP here.
    – djechlin
    Jan 4, 2017 at 0:20
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    Well, now someone has given it a glam treatment and cleaned up the formatting problems, but it is still low quality. No longer suitable for a flag, but still in need of deletion. We don't have enough tools to take out the garbage, sadly. Jan 4, 2017 at 12:28
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    I wonder if it wouldn't be better to flag it as NAA, it looks rather like a comment to me made by a user lacking the reputation points to post comments
    – Icepickle
    Jan 4, 2017 at 13:06
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    @Icepickle You won't get any further with NAA than with VLQ, and you'll get even worse contorted legalistic justification when you wonder why. Although in this case there's at least an actionable suggestion in the edited version.
    – jscs
    Jan 4, 2017 at 14:14
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    IMHO Servy's answer is off the mark; you really did use the right judgment here. It's more that we suffer from a moderation glitch where the moderator may agree with the message of your flag but abstain from acting; choosing to let community review respond instead. I've edited my answer to include this perspective and sequence of events.
    – djechlin
    Jan 4, 2017 at 21:00
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    I personally think that anything of quality that low (duplicates included) should be able to be unilaterally deleted by any high-reputation user, and the same should be true of questions too. I'm sick of my google results being full to the brim of questions that have been closed as duplicates, when they should clearly being merged and HTTP 301 redirected to the original.
    – Miles Rout
    Feb 3, 2017 at 3:39

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bad formatting, spelling mistakes, informal, not enough details

None of those things make a post unsalvageable. In fact, the first three are even things that you can fix yourself.

Those are all things that contribute to an answer being low quality. When a post is of low quality you downvote it. VLQ flags are for posts that have no value at all, and no possibility of being salvaged. They're for things that don't even resemble answers, not for answers that you just think aren't good enough.

The flag most certainly should have been declined. There is no reason for that answer to be deleted.

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    The answer basically said something like "it's stuck dude" and then something else that I don't remember. I can't check since I don't either have 10k rep on Super User. If anyone else who reads this comment has 10k rep on Super User, please leave a comment saying exactly what the answer said. Jan 3, 2017 at 21:52
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    @DonaldDuck You're not supposed to flag a low quality post as VLQ. You're supposed to flag very low quality posts as VLQ. You used the wrong flag, so the flag was declined. It would have been wrong to do anything else. Had they not declined it, you wouldn't have realized you did something wrong by flagging posts like that, and would continue to do so, rather than realizing you're doing something wrong by flagging posts just because they're of low quality.
    – Servy
    Jan 3, 2017 at 22:27
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    @DonaldDuck - Moderators can't dispute "very low quality" flags, only accept or decline. Shog9 has laid out guidelines for how we should handle these, and I've generally followed those: "Is this an exceptional case where the community isn't able to get rid of trash fast enough? Delete. Else, Decline."
    – Brad Larson Mod
    Jan 3, 2017 at 22:29
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    The effort of editing is only worth expending if there's some value underlying the surface. Even after polishing, this turd has not been magically transformed into a gold nugget. The pooper scooper was definitely the right tool to reach for.
    – jscs
    Jan 4, 2017 at 14:19
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    @BradLarson ... to which, of course, my response is that the community's only way to (collaboratively) "get rid of trash" is to use VLQ flags, so sending negative feedback to users for using them on the basis that posts ought to have been handled by the community is nonsensical. But then, I think that you already agree.
    – Mark Amery
    Jan 4, 2017 at 15:54
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    @BradLarson so the user was right the post had very low quality, the moderator (you?) may or may not have agreed, the community later agreed, but the moderator felt that unilateral deletion was wrong and it should be up to community, which it later was and the community deleted it, and as a result the user had a flag declined, even though the community agreed with the user later. If I actually said that right, then wow, it must suck to be a new user here.
    – djechlin
    Jan 4, 2017 at 17:22
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    @Servy you seriously want to argue about how the post was low quality but it was not very low quality? what are you doing?
    – djechlin
    Jan 4, 2017 at 17:27
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    I'm bemused why the moderator broke with the community. The best explanation I have heard is "did not warrant unilateral action when the community could manage the problem." This sounds, well, like how it is, but like it creates a draconian experience for a new user who needs to understand the difference between flagging a post for unilateral moderator action and flagging a post for community review. Especially when new users flag to close posts that the community can handle closing.
    – djechlin
    Jan 4, 2017 at 17:31
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    @djechlin - Mark already linked to my take on this flag. We've always handled these flags as urgent "this needs to be deleted immediately" requests, and been instructed to decline if immediate deletion wasn't warranted, but that's at odds with how many people actually use these flags. You and I agree that there's a disconnect here, which is why I suggested they no longer be shown to moderators.
    – Brad Larson Mod
    Jan 4, 2017 at 17:34
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    Idk, the more I look at it the more ridiculous I think this whole answer is. "Severe content problems" is covered in the flag description. I've since learned the answer advised the dead wrong thing to do. I guess you could edit it to say the exact opposite of what it already says, but that seems a bit vacuous and not exactly the point of editing (and there are plenty of meta posts yelling at people who do things like that). The formatting problems were pretty severe although not quite unsalvageable if you wanted to format up a wrong answer so people could more clearly receive wrong advice.
    – djechlin
    Jan 4, 2017 at 18:06
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    Okay, so you don't like acknowledging the "severe content problem" part of the flag description because it would mean changing your opinion, and you're willfully lying to me about what sorts of posts we delete, for instance the post we're actually talking about right this second. I don't think I can take you seriously on this topic anymore.
    – djechlin
    Jan 4, 2017 at 18:17
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    Yeah, it's your opinion, you sort of need to realize that on your own. Have you ever read a Supreme Court dissent? After many hours of persuasion by lawyers and deliberation by judges, justices come to different conclusions from the same laws and evidence. I think you're very blind to commonsense and commonly adopted interpretations of about 3-4 sentences of rule text, which I'm sort of okay with but I really don't like the authority with which you are attempting to go out on your own limb here -- on the basis of a quite obviously underspecified rule.
    – djechlin
    Jan 4, 2017 at 19:28
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    The "proper usage of the flag" here -- in the views of the moderator involved, myself and several other people in this discussion who are not you -- is that the VLQ description is accurate but the moderator will not accept the flag unless urgent unilateral action is needed. Everyone agrees that is a problem that creates bad UX. You are absolutely in the wrong to argue the problem is the post was not actually VLQ. The problem is the mod does not want to act on the VLQ post if the situation is not urgent, which it is not, BUT the community may move to delete the VLQ post, which it did.
    – djechlin
    Jan 4, 2017 at 19:31
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    Because you start deliberately rigging my responses to take on the order of 20 minutes and I do not give you the benefit of the doubt that you are acting in good faith, I don't round up evidence for you. If you want to learn something, try it. meta.stackoverflow.com > "Why was this answer deleted for VLQ even after formatting was brought up to par?" that would be a good start.
    – djechlin
    Jan 4, 2017 at 20:17
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    He's also taken the opinion that it's unfortunate flag "declines" happen in the process when really the intent is for it to fall through to community review. See his answer here meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/340866/… which he mostly borrowed from some other answer he wrote which is posted up above.
    – djechlin
    Jan 4, 2017 at 20:27
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Originally I wanted to assure the OP that this was no biggie since there just seemed to be some disagreement between experienced users. But by now I understand the sequence of events more clearly:

  • The answer really was "very low quality." The moderation response led to confusion, but with the exception of Servy's answer here, there really does seem to be consensus the OP correctly evaluated the answer for its quality, and identified the quality not only as low, but very.
  • But the moderator did not want to unilaterally act on it. The policy is that these flags fall through to community review, if there is no urgent action.
  • Therefore the moderator declined the OP's flag, which is the unfortunate best option here.
  • A day or so later, community review (or, possibly attention from this thread -- that happens and sometimes leads to herding) up and deleted the post.
  • ...confusing the OP, whose flag to delete the post as VLQ was declined, even though the community declined it as VLQ a day later.

Intermediately, some attention went into fixing the illegibility of the answer, which left it in the state of being a short answer that is also dangerously wrong (I am not a domain expert but this seems the consensus of the meta-OP and comments on the deleted answer). This made its VLQ status more debatable but the review queue deleted it.

The fix needs to be to not slap the flagger with a "decline" for submitting a reasonable flag. Moderator Brad Larson has raised this issue before; it is now covered in this meta request, prompted by this question, to resolve issues with VLQ flagging ambiguity.

For the record there is some debate whether VLQ should convert into deletes. Servy's answer above strongly argues that if an answer can be edited into a clear state, VLQ is not an appropriate flag, and the answer should not be deleted. There is meta chatter (for example this comment -- but also answers elsewhere) arguing VLQ should be used to clear out things that are, well, very low quality, including answers that are some combination of terse, vague, brittle, and wrong. This seems to be how the community prefers to use the flag currently.

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    It's entirely reasonable to think that it's of low quality. I don't see it as a reasonable argument to assert that the answer is entirely unsalvageable and merits immediate and unilateral deletion because it could never possibly have any value. An answer being lazy is a very far cry from that.
    – Servy
    Jan 4, 2017 at 14:27
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    @Servy is it reasonable to think that it's very low quality?
    – djechlin
    Jan 4, 2017 at 15:51
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    No, not given the definition of VLQ. It unambiguously doesn't meet that definition.
    – Servy
    Jan 4, 2017 at 15:55
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    @Servy anyway the answer is now deleted, so apparently reasonable people differed.
    – djechlin
    Jan 4, 2017 at 16:13
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    But it doesn't meet the definition of VLQ, and wasn't deleted as a result of meeting the criteria of VLQ. In the same way that if you flag an off topic post a spam, it's unambiguously not spam and won't be deleted as such, even if it ends up being deleted eventually because of being off topic.
    – Servy
    Jan 4, 2017 at 16:17
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    @Servy that is 100% off topic from my answer. 1) the mod found it salvageable and turned out to be right. 2) don't be hard on yourself, I would have made the same mistake. 3) in fact, other high rep users did. This is a 1k rep user we're talking about here who I thought should not take it too hard they got this wrong. Your answer is correct and it is also hard on him. Good. There should be an upvoted answer to this question explaining the letter of the law. The user should also not take it too hard because this was not an easy application of the VLQ rule even if not flagging was correct.
    – djechlin
    Jan 4, 2017 at 16:20
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    VLQ doesn't need a rename, it just needs to be removed. There's literally never any situation where it's the only valid flag. Any time it would be a valid flag other flags would apply (typically NAA), and so it is only ever a source of confusion.
    – Servy
    Jan 4, 2017 at 16:25
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    The other (serious) problem with the flag decline, besides confusing this flagger, is that the post is no longer up for review. So even if the moderator did want it to be handled by the community, it won't be.
    – jscs
    Jan 4, 2017 at 23:23

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