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This tag has been burninated. Please do not recreate it. If you need advice on which tag to use, see the answer below. If you see this tag reappearing, it may need to be blacklisted.


There are 465 questions tagged with . Its tag wiki is a plea for burnination, and suggests we use and , but those should also be burninated:

I suggest we remove and replace its various usages like so:

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    arrow functions in JavaScript: remove. Yes, but apply ecmascript-6
    – roberrrt-s
    Commented Jan 4, 2017 at 19:58
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    Stats at the start of featuring: Q: +68/-4. A1 (saying yes): +11/-3. A2 (saying nothing): +10/0. A3 (saying No): 0/-10. A4 (saying yes): +4/-2.
    – Bhargav Rao Mod
    Commented Aug 10, 2018 at 17:51
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    Moderator Notes: 1. There are many valuable discussion answers here, so please go through each of them. 2. The burnination is for arrow only and not about arrows or arrow-keys, please keep your arguments to/for the arrow only. 3. As we're starting this on a Friday, it will remain [featured] through the weekend and would be decided on Monday.
    – Bhargav Rao Mod
    Commented Aug 10, 2018 at 17:55
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    Shoot the arrow tag.
    – crthompson
    Commented Aug 11, 2018 at 23:49
  • There's a pointers that the C -> questions can be tagged with. I'm well aware that most of these are going to be terrible questions that just get deleted anyway. On further checking the only good questions already have the pointers already anyway.
    – Joshua
    Commented Aug 12, 2018 at 14:50
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    @paqogomez arrow must take a bow
    – sehe
    Commented Aug 13, 2018 at 11:44
  • Should the arrow tag shoot through? ouch Splinter. :-p Commented Aug 14, 2018 at 5:43
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    Stats at the end of featuring: Q: +115/-5. A1 (saying yes): +21/-9. A2 (saying nothing): +19/0. A3 (saying No): +1/-21. A4 (saying yes): +9/-5. The community has voted in favor of the burnination.
    – Bhargav Rao Mod
    Commented Aug 14, 2018 at 16:57

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has been burninated.

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Thanks to everyone who participated.

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As a preliminary measure, I have retagged the 8 questions with both and to use . As things stand now, all 129 questions tagged with both and are about "the model of computational effects". That being so, should there be a consensus in favour of burninating , those questions can be retagged to something more specific without further ado, and it will only be necessary to consider the remaining 54 questions.

As for the fate of , I am pretty much indifferent, as long as this sense of "arrows" ends up with a specific tag for itself. While its current tag wiki...

Arrows are a means of modeling computational effects that are more general and less powerful than Monads. [...]

... matches the "model of computational effects" meaning, I agree that "arrows" on its own sounds prone to mistagging. is a decent, though not perfect, alternative -- it is a bit too specific, as the concept is not necessarily bound to Haskell (I could find two non-Haskell questions, one with F# and another with Agda -- make of that what you will). In an answer to the burnination request mentioned above, Ganesh Sittampalam speculates about a third tag, which might work if we figured out a convincing choice. I find the suggestion there rather clunky; Andrey Tyukin's idea of using sounds much nicer to me.

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    Whose idea was to use [arrows] instead of [haskell-arrows]? It's not a "cosmetic" difference, tags are cornerstone of SO because most of them can be identified with a glance what you expect the question to be about!
    – Braiam
    Commented Jan 3, 2017 at 0:55
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    +1 I agree with the reasoning that [haskell-arrows] is workable but not ideal. Is [arrow-typeclass] slightly better? Commented Jan 3, 2017 at 1:00
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    @Braiam Just to make sure we are on the same page: what I called "cosmetic" was the concern about haskell-arrows being too specific, and definitely not the one about arrows being too general.
    – duplode
    Commented Jan 3, 2017 at 1:01
  • Oh, yeah, I can get behind that. I somehow understood that you were saying that [haskell] + [arrows] is ok.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jan 3, 2017 at 1:02
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    @GordonGustafson It is slightly better, to the extent that it mentions, rather than a specific language, a language feature which is present in multiple languages (even if that is still a bit restrictive), and perhaps also because it begins, rather than ends, with "arrow". On the other hand, [haskell-arrows] might plausibly be read as "Arrows similar to those in Haskell"; such an interpretation comes a little less easily with [arrow-typeclass].
    – duplode
    Commented Jan 3, 2017 at 1:15
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    I don't know why this post from 2017 is all of a sudden "hot", but how about a [hughes-arrows]-tag? I mean, at least in functional programming, "arrows" are associated with one very specific name of one very specific person who introduced the concept. The [haskell-arrows] is too narrow, because arrows can be used in other languages. [arrow-typeclass] conflates the arrows themselves with a specific type of polymorphism prevalent in haskell - this kind of polymorphism is also not strictly necessary for arrows. And "Haskell" is also just a name, after all. Commented Aug 11, 2018 at 15:40
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    @AndreyTyukin That is a good idea; I have incorporated it to the answer. (The question is featured because [arrow] is, barring a solid objection, about to be burninated. [arrows] won't be affected for now, but I guess the burnination will have ripple effects over it.)
    – duplode
    Commented Aug 11, 2018 at 16:09
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  • arrow functions in JavaScript: remove

Come on, let's recognize these for what they are: lambdas. Let's retag these to .

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    I seldom would do this mecanically, since the question could have nothing to do with lambdas, ie. I have some code with a problem and it has lambdas but that's not relevant.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jan 2, 2017 at 21:54
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    @Braiam true, but you have to keep that in mind whenever you're tagging stuff.
    – Nissa
    Commented Jan 2, 2017 at 22:06
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    -> in C is member selection. C doesn't have lambdas. Commented Jan 2, 2017 at 22:25
  • @JörgWMittag ah, okay. I'll go fix that.
    – Nissa
    Commented Jan 2, 2017 at 22:37
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    Is the average person who comes across the JS "fat arrow" operator and comes here for a clue going to know to search for "lambda"? Commented Jan 3, 2017 at 1:50
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    @JohnHascall Those should be retagged to [arrow-functions] Commented Jan 3, 2017 at 2:12
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    I agree [arrow-functions] is better than [lambda] there. Commented Jan 3, 2017 at 2:14
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    Aren't old-style Javascript function expressions (function() {...}) also [lambda] expressions? If a question arises from the different behavior of arrow functions vs function expressions, the tags won't reflect that.
    – Zev Spitz
    Commented Jan 3, 2017 at 12:19
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    Thank you Javascript for making everything harder. Commented Jan 4, 2017 at 0:19
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    @ZevSpitz Tags don't have to point you in the exact direction (like an arrow), they're for categorization. [lambda] is close enough.
    – mbomb007
    Commented Jan 4, 2017 at 19:51
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    @mbomb007 Except that in Javascript arrow-functions is a distinct subset of lambda, because arrow functions in Javascript have unique semantics (e.g. this handling); there may be some questions that need to be categorized specifically under arrow-functions.
    – Zev Spitz
    Commented Jan 4, 2017 at 22:25
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    @ZevSpitz synonym-request
    – Nissa
    Commented Jan 4, 2017 at 22:30
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    @ZevSpitz That's too specific for a unique tag, imho. Every language implements lambdas a little differently, and we don't need a special tag for each lang's implementation.
    – mbomb007
    Commented Jan 4, 2017 at 22:43
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    I think that both lambda and arrow-functions can be appropriate depending on the question. If the question is about immediately invoked function expressions, but the problem is not unique to fat arrow functions, it should use lambda. If the problem is unique to fat arrow functions, then both lambda and arrow-functions should be used.
    – user4639281
    Commented Jan 5, 2017 at 17:52
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    Tagging all of them as lambda instead of arrow-functions is a terrible idea. It appears to be taking a limited view of what the => operator can be used for, without regard to what the standard uses for nomenclature. The ECMAScript specification explicitly calls them "arrow functions". Replacing the arrow-functions tag with the lambda tag just causes confusion. While the => is commonly used to create a lambda, as function can also be used, it isn't exclusively used as such.
    – Makyen Mod
    Commented Aug 11, 2018 at 20:42
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the -> operator in C: remove

C
The closest thing to a formal name for this operator is "the struct/union member operator". Informally this operator is called "member of" or "member of pointer to struct/union". It is sometimes referred to as "the arrow operator" but only informally.

C++
The operator is sometimes referred to as the arrow operator, both formally and informally, see for example C++11 5.2.5.

I propose that a new tag is created for this operator, to cover its use in both languages:

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    -1 In my opinion we almost never need a tag for specific operators. It seems rare that a question is truly about the usage of the arrow operator, and I don't think there are any experts (or aspiring experts) in it. Commented Jan 11, 2017 at 13:52
  • @GordonGustafson That may be because the arrow operator is straight-forward and trivial, without any hidden pitfalls. But almost all operators in C and C++ are rather complex, surrounded by oddities and special cases. Sequence points, special order of evaluation, implicit promotion rules, cases of undefined behavior. It takes a veteran to know all of that - an expert if you will. Certain operators are so odd that they definitely merit a tag of their own... and they already have it. Bitwise operators, conditional operator, comma operator, logical operators etc etc.
    – Lundin
    Commented Jan 11, 2017 at 14:19
  • @GordonGustafson Come to think of it, the arrow and dot operators aren't that straight-forward... they involve the special case of common initial sequence for unions. A rather advanced topic, related to compatible type, effective type and type punning through unions. Nothing is ever simple in these languages...
    – Lundin
    Commented Jan 11, 2017 at 14:31
  • Definitely good points. Do you think tagging those questions unions is sufficient, or that we should in addition tag them with something like member-of? Commented Jan 18, 2017 at 14:25
  • . and -> are also called "the member access operators"... Commented Aug 11, 2018 at 19:33
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    There's a pointers that the questions can be homed to.
    – Joshua
    Commented Aug 12, 2018 at 14:50
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I am in favor of disambiguation, but I usually like to keep the option of using a generic for those specific cases where they're relevant. Still, disambiguation is helpful, but how are tags populated? Let's say I want to use "arrow (symbol)" but all I can find are other versions of what arrow could mean. I may have to choose another term, which may be less specific (like "icon").

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  • Just ask on Meta to have the tag created if you need a new meaning for [arrow].
    – Nissa
    Commented Jan 4, 2017 at 20:22
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    Do you know any expert in "arrow (symbol)"?
    – Didier L
    Commented Jan 5, 2017 at 11:00
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    @Didier the hand-waving about a lack of experts argument has been proven to be irrelevant time and time again. Can we drop that useless metric please?
    – user4639281
    Commented Jan 5, 2017 at 17:48

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