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Based on Jon Skeet's past reputation gain, he will hit 1 million some time in July next year. We have until then to decide on how to format his colossal reputation.

The choices for the short format of 1234567 are to continue the "k" magnitude:

1,235k

Or start an "M" magnitude:

1.235M

Which should we do?


FYI, if "k" is continued, and his (very steady) reputation growth holds, it will be approximately 75 years until an extra digit needs to be added to cater for 10 million rep, which is long enough time for us to not care (much).

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    I think that on reputation overflow, the user's reputation should be reset to 0. It's Jon's mistake that he's hitting 1 million. Me, for example, didn't do that mistake.
    – Maroun
    Dec 19, 2016 at 9:23
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    @MarounMaroun - even better if an actual overflow happens and his rep goes into negative <sorry Jon> :P Dec 19, 2016 at 9:29
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    @mar Surely overflow would occur at 2,147,483,648?
    – Bohemian Mod
    Dec 19, 2016 at 9:34
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    -2,147,483,647 reputation for Jon it is.
    – roberrrt-s
    Dec 19, 2016 at 9:35
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    BTW at the current trajectory, integer overflow will occur some 16,000 years from now. Let's put that one on the back burner.
    – Bohemian Mod
    Dec 19, 2016 at 9:37
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    Show the full value in marquee. Blinking, too, obviously.
    – Mike M.
    Dec 19, 2016 at 9:54
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    I can't code, I just run around pasting random snippets of CSS in the hope it fixes the problem. ~Carry on!
    – roberrrt-s
    Dec 19, 2016 at 9:56
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    As an aside, I don't think it's going to happen until about this time next year. My average rep gain per day is much less than it used to be.
    – Jon Skeet
    Dec 19, 2016 at 10:30
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    The rep cap gets removed at 1 million, right? I'm sure I heard that somewhere...
    – Jon Skeet
    Dec 19, 2016 at 10:39
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    @JonSkeet you must have misheard... I said "reduced" - as in, made lower... :) Dec 19, 2016 at 10:41
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    I propose 1 sk. The only reference worthy of Jon Skeet should be himself.
    – Knu
    Dec 19, 2016 at 17:27
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    Knu - The problem with using Skeets is that by definition his rep is always 1 sk. It might be useful for other users though. Dec 19, 2016 at 17:42
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    Can't we just delete Jon's account? That solves all problems and requires zero code change.
    – DavidG
    Dec 19, 2016 at 17:50
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    Just show infinite "∞" as his reputation. Then the problem is fixed as well for when he reaches 1 billion. Dec 19, 2016 at 23:39
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    Has anyone asked what Jon wants? Dec 21, 2016 at 20:30

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Follow the current format

At 1m points, the display should be 1,000k, which stays in this fashion up until 9,999k at which point the display would change to 10m. (If that ever even happens).

This style would be inline with how a full points view is shown up until 10k, at which point it is switched out for the cleaner look, presumably due to the added digit.

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    Get to work, Jon!
    – StuartQ
    Dec 19, 2016 at 11:00
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    Get to work, everyone :P
    – m4n0
    Dec 19, 2016 at 17:41
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    I heard that right before he hits 1M he's going to give 80% of his rep to the poor
    – Hack-R
    Dec 19, 2016 at 18:11
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    @Hack-R I'm poor, i can haz reps?
    – Möoz
    Dec 19, 2016 at 21:45
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    9,999 are 5 characters. 10,000 would be 6 characters which is too long so becomes 10k. 1,000k would be 6 characters too.
    – Oriol
    Dec 19, 2016 at 23:13
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    I consider this poor UX. Nobody refers to a million dollars as "a thousand grand", and nobody says "1000k" when they mean a million. Without a doubt, the correct thing to do is to display either 1.0m or 1.00m as soon as Jon hits 999 500. Dec 20, 2016 at 4:11
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    @DavidWallace a relevant XKCD presents a counter-argument.
    – user201891
    Dec 20, 2016 at 20:49
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    Using the logic @DavidWallace points out I don't understand why anything but 1M is being considered. DavidS - While the comic is funny it's just that, plus there is nothing to compare Skeet's rep to so, you can leave my daughter alone!
    – dotcomly
    Dec 20, 2016 at 21:17
  • As far as I can see, the questions are - how many decimal places to show, and should it be m or M. And I'm not going to comment on the reputation of anyone's daughter. Dec 20, 2016 at 21:19
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    Wouldn't applying the XKCD comic argument cause a broader reconsideration of the reputation display? There are already folks with, say, 10k reputation next to others with 10 reputation. Dec 21, 2016 at 20:44
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    1,000k? What the hell?
    – canon
    Dec 29, 2016 at 0:32
  • I agree with @DavidWallace. DavidS's xkcd ref is amusing, but not a great comparison imo. Unlike a billion (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billion), a million (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Million) is an unambiguous universal unit. That said, dev for 1,000K is probably much quicker and less likely to make bugs. If i was doing the dev, I'd do k's, if I was asking for the dev, I'd ask for 'M'. :) Jan 5, 2017 at 16:26
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    Congratulations Jon. The time has come.
    – roberrrt-s
    Jan 16, 2018 at 13:40
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I think it should just display "Oh Wow!".

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    Oh Wow! This is the answer.
    – m4n0
    Dec 19, 2016 at 17:38
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    Suppose he asks a question and sets a 50 points bounty on it. Then how are we supposed to calculate ("Oh Wow!"-50), I hope the sign you used is an exclamation mark rather than a factorial.
    – F.I.V
    Dec 19, 2016 at 19:18
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    @F.I.V leave his rep as "Oh Wow", and give the person who answered the bounty a badge for helping Jon instead of rep. problem solved.
    – Jacobr365
    Dec 20, 2016 at 22:02
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    If reputation is akin to karma, then according to the teachings of the Bhudda, 1M karma is technically the threshold for Nirvana. The indicator should therefore read "ascended". Dec 21, 2016 at 19:48
  • Jon Skeet - Oh Wow reputation Dec 11, 2018 at 22:51
  • Way back in the day there was a game that gave up listing how many monsters were in an army and just said, "Zounds..." Nov 5, 2020 at 23:08
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Replace it with a unicorn

It is, after all, tradition.

enter image description here

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    May I ask why this post got 2 upvotes, yet the doge one below got 6 downvotes?
    – Aaron Esau
    Dec 20, 2016 at 0:44
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    @arin Unicorns have a certain cultural significance here that doge simply does not. For reference, that painting is the one SO gave to Jon back when he became the first person to reach 200k rep.
    – Kaz
    Dec 20, 2016 at 1:21
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Assuming no code changes, then what we get is (testing locally):

enter image description here

Note no commas. This is pretty configurable, but is currently:

  • >= 100000 => / 1000, {0:##k}
  • >= 10000 => / 1000, {0:##.#k}
  • >= 0 => {0:##,##0}

(with the full value in the title text, like usual)

So... is this a problem?

Note: we need to keep in mind internationalization; in Brazilian Portuguese, for example, "k" becomes "mil" and "тыс." in Russian - so the available space is not necessarily what you think if you're mainly used to Stack Overflow in English (but: we can control each language's formats separately).

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    A comma would be in keeping with current pattern, ie 1,337K. "No code change" isn't very relevant, only convenient. I'll wager this level of rep wasn't considered when that formatting was coded.
    – Bohemian Mod
    Dec 19, 2016 at 10:11
  • Interesting fact I just noticed, in the spanish SO, Thousands are abbreviated as "mil", which could cause issues with the notation of "m" for million, see here Dec 19, 2016 at 10:13
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    @AlfieGoodacre you mention Spanish, but you've linked to pt... did you mean es? I've checked the code, and it looks like es doesn't currently use a custom number formatter, which means it will be using en, so... k? If you mean pt, then it uses mil for thousands, and either Mil or Mi for million (depending on the amount of space available). Note that just like en, pt is not configured to use a different format for millions when rendering reputation Dec 19, 2016 at 10:19
  • @MarcGravell nope, I actually meant Portuguese, I linked the correct SO site, but said the wrong name - I opened each different version to check the formats used so I mistyped :) Dec 19, 2016 at 10:23
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    @Bohemian it is relevant in as much as making it clear and obvious what the default position is Dec 19, 2016 at 10:33
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    we should just create our own unit of measurement, 1 mil rep == 1 skeet
    – m0sa
    Dec 19, 2016 at 10:52
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    @m0sa Even better: 1 skeet == how much reputation Jon Skeet has. That way, everybody's rep will decrease over time, creating a gigantic incentive to get more rep!
    – SE is dead
    Dec 19, 2016 at 17:37
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    I think this calls for a userscript to convert everyone's rep to a metric skeet scale, ie nanoskeet, milliskeet
    – user1618236
    Dec 19, 2016 at 18:15
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    @m0sa : That is great idea. Like astronomical unit. When I forget the distance between sun and earth I quickly remember 1 AU.
    – F.I.V
    Dec 19, 2016 at 19:20
  • You need to update your screenshot with your hat. Otherwise we can see it's fake.
    – Mr Lister
    Dec 20, 2016 at 20:14
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    @MrLister well, maybe, but that means I need to configure extra things on my local rig... I'm going to be lazy and say that I'm simulating what it will look like in July Dec 20, 2016 at 20:16
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    I will be very impressed if @JonSkeet now learns Portuguese and tests out what happens when a user's reputation reaches 1M on pt.stackoverflow.com Dec 22, 2016 at 3:07
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Since we now have an accepted answer I think it's only fair we post the real correct answer...

enter image description here

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E Notation, imo...

1.23e6

... and never worry about it again. Format string: {0:0.##e0}

Alternatively: 1.23×106

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For consistency, use the same formatting approach as is used for the "people reached" number on the user profile pages. Jon Skeet's impact is currently displayed there as "~179.2m".

So, presumably the rules have already been visited for when to use k or m, as well as the internationalization concerns Marc noted.

One argument against this route, though, is that the profile pages appear to display reputation in a manner inconsistent with that displayed in questions/answers. For example, the profile page might display "2.3k" whereas reputation displayed below an answer would fully spells out "2,345".

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The first terrible format

1,235K

violates at least four typographic rules that are stipulated in various international standards.

  • When numbers with many digits are divided into groups of three digits, neither dots nor commas shall be inserted between the groups. A thin space may be used to divide the groups.
  • The prefix symbol for kilo (factor 103) is a lower-case k not K. The capital K is the unit symbol for the kelvin.
  • There shall be a space between the number and the prefix symbol.
  • Prefix symbols (such as k) cannot stand alone without any unit.

Accordingly, the second terrible format

1.235M

violates only two of the above-mentioned rules.

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    For these reasons I think M is better as well. Whether or not it's what most people want.
    – Jeremy W
    Dec 21, 2016 at 19:36
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    The "k" vs "K" is moot - pretty sure the actual code correctly uses lower case "k". I'd love to see some references for the others, out of curiosity; for example, usage of commas is pretty normal as a group separator (and yes, I'm well aware of the reversal of the symbols between locales). Dec 21, 2016 at 19:58
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    Please cite the standards? I'm pretty sure I see e.g. "12,345" in plenty of established newspapers. I don't really care so much for following standards that I don't know what are.
    – djechlin
    Jan 5, 2017 at 16:17
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    I really think it's within the domain of SO's tech writers whether to use "K" or "k." Not... whichever standard we are apparently violating. We could also use some other random icon and violate the standard that way.
    – djechlin
    Jan 5, 2017 at 16:18
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Jon "loses" more reputation in the average day than most users earn in years.

If it wasn't for the cap of 200/day, Jon would have well over 4 million reputation.

In the average day, he earns 1004 rep and but "keeps" only 289 of it.

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Jon, if you want to "spread the wealth", feel free to shell out a few hundred rep per day as bounties on questions that you think are deserving! (You can afford about 700/day without affecting your daily gain!)

I noticed this phenomenon while playing with a little "calendar of site activity" that I'm building... check it out here: SEDE: "CALENDAR VIEW" of your Site Activity...

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